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RE: 'suffering' - 1/12/2007 9:18:44 PM

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And as long as they don't try and tell me that my vision of never suffering or enduring isn't "real submission."

And as long as they don't try and tell me that my vision of suffering isn't part of any "real submission."

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RE: 'suffering' - 1/12/2007 9:24:28 PM

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And as long as they don't try and tell me that my vision of suffering isn't part of any "real submission."

Just go sit in the "abused cow" corner of the room with all the other losers too far gone to know better. ;)

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RE: 'suffering' - 1/12/2007 9:56:21 PM

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And as long as they don't try and tell me that my vision of suffering isn't part of any "real submission."

Just go sit in the "abused cow" corner of the room with all the other losers too far gone to know better. ;)

LMAO!!!!!!

To quote myself in another thread: "Moo."

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RE: 'suffering' - 1/12/2007 10:05:00 PM

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I musta missed that thread... darn!

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RE: 'suffering' - 1/12/2007 10:10:33 PM

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http://www.collarchat.com/m_758256/mpage_3/key_cow/tm.htm#763327

Here you go.

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RE: 'suffering' - 1/12/2007 10:23:05 PM

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That is hilarious. If Sinergy does not see this I am going to moo for him next time we play

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RE: 'suffering' - 1/12/2007 10:27:30 PM

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Oops. My bad.

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RE: 'suffering' - 1/17/2007 5:04:15 PM

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i really enjoy pain but get more of a psychological kick out of suffering if it is pleasing to Her-- as some pain is not enjoyable in and of itself to me but if She wants it then i feel that it becomes true physical submission to Her. i do have a bit of the martyr complex also so it can be hard to separate out the two feelings so...

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RE: 'suffering' - 1/17/2007 8:05:03 PM

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Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

I saw this on a t-shirt at MAL last weekend. I think the quote is brilliant!

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RE: 'suffering' - 1/17/2007 8:12:16 PM

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To the Op, I think suffering can take many forms, not all of them have to come from physical pain. You said that your Master punishes you by giving you corner time or ignoring you, to me this type of punishment would bring suffering to me, more suffering then any type of physical punishment. Spank me, hit me all you like, but just turn your back on me, or ignore me, ug, that would make me crumble, that would make me suffer....

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RE: 'suffering' - 1/17/2007 8:24:39 PM

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I like to think of it as making sacrifices. If I'm suffering because of those sacrifices then I am not in the right mind set.

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RE: 'suffering' - 1/17/2007 8:29:50 PM

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Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

I saw this on a t-shirt at MAL last weekend. I think the quote is brilliant!

It's a quote from M. Kathleen Casey, apparently. I, however, hear Master Skip Chasey use it quite often.

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RE: 'suffering' - 1/17/2007 8:59:36 PM

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i am not a masochist but endured discipline spankings because that is what he chose and they worked. i hated those things and would really love to say i suffered through them....but in the end, they were really beneficial to our relationship, so i can't really say i suffered....because they ultimately had a positive effect. Does that make any sense?

Now on the other hand, being ignored would be emotionally devastating for me...that would be beyond my endurance....and the suffering from that would most likely cause irreparable damage.....and not be in any way beneficial to the relationship. i was lucky to have found a partner at that time who felt the same way.

So i guess if such suffering would cause a negative impact on the relationship, i would have to wonder what good it would be. But if the suffering somehow led to the couple feeling closer, then i would say it could be a good thing.

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RE: 'suffering' - 1/17/2007 9:55:09 PM

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Interesting topic. Suffering? - No i don't enjoy suffering at all. i do distinguish between enduring and suffering. For me enduring is to accept something in order to acheive an established goal - it feels consentual. Suffering feels more like something that happens that i did not choose, would not choose and can't really see why it has to be. For example, it snowed here last week and the roads got really icy and so traffic was backed up horrendously. In the midst of the traffic i felt my patience grow weaker and weaker. Then as if being stuck in traffic wasn't enough, you guessed it - i had to go to the bathroom. LOL. i didn't get home til 11pm after finally parking my car and walking 4 miles. This was what i would call suffering. i didn't choose it or like it and as far as i'm concerned, it served absolutely no purpose or achieved no ultimate goal.

Now when Master says "will you take more pain for me?" i just don't see that as suffering, i see it as enduring. i'm not into suffering - i'm not into experiencing things i really can't stand for anyone's sake. If that makes me less of a slave according to some - oh well.

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RE: 'suffering' - 1/18/2007 1:05:58 AM

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Personally, I neither want or feel the need to have to suffer in my submission. I am the submissive I am and take the consequences of that when I have to. I like pain so do not feel I suffer at the hands of a flogger, whip etc. For me being a submissive is like coming home. I am happier now than I have ever been in a relationship. My growth comes from learning with him - sometimes the learning is painful both physically and to the ears (humiliation) and sometimes emotionally - those times I've sat at his feet and a feeling of complete and utter contentment has hit me like a slap with a sledgehammer.

The only suffering I have had whilst with Master is when he left at Christmas to start his new job. Then I thought my heart might just stop beating the pain was so intense but that passed adn today I get to see him again for the first time in a month, and hopefully will be joining him soon, so it was only a temporary suffering.

I think real-life can bring suffering enough without having to force the issue.

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RE: 'suffering' - 1/18/2007 9:23:16 AM

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for me, suffering has to do with emotional pain/torture, which may or may not be linked to something physical. as for it being "optional", i could not disagree more with that sentiment. there are times i must suffer for my Master, whether it's to feed his sadistic drive or simply because a particular thing he wants cannot be done in any other way. sometimes he delights in my suffering, other times i can tell that a part of him is suffering with me. there have been times where i have suffered so much that i've sunk into deep depressions, wishing for death or just drowning in despair at the thought of what my life is and always will be. but each time i grow, and feel his power and ownership over me more strongly. suffering is not something he subjects me to often...if he did, my spirit would be irreparably shattered. but it's needed from time to time and for us is a valuable, necessary part of slavery.

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