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RE: On the Merits of Masochism and Experiencing Subspace - 2/27/2007 11:27:49 AM

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All this thought and talk about reactions....
I'd love to be face to with a good Domme right now, pinching each others nipples as hard as we can... Devilish smiles on our faces... and the flow of those little sarcastic remarks... that damn SadoMaso vibe whirling about the room... then again, what room... where... who's on first... as the tunnel vision sets in....

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RE: On the Merits of Masochism and Experiencing Subspace - 2/27/2007 1:05:16 PM

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To be honest, your boyfriend does not sound like a masochist to me.

Yes, I have been thinking this myself. The thing is that *he* says he is and I am not one to argue with a person's self-proclaimed identity. He does enjoy being put through pain but his enjoyment is different from a person who says "I am a masochist because I love the feeling of being ____-ed" I am myself somewhat of a masochist, or "sensation slut" as I like to call it. I like the feeling of lots of things that many deem "painful" though they are not to me. After all, if they were truly painful, I wouldn't like them. For him it's different. He feels a whipping as pain but he likes the idea of being able to endure it *for* someone, as a sign of his submission, devotion, whatever. Who's to say that's not equally masochistic?

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RE: On the Merits of Masochism and Experiencing Subspace - 2/27/2007 1:19:47 PM

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Yes, I have been thinking this myself. The thing is that *he* says he is and I am not one to argue with a person's self-proclaimed identity.

I think you are right about that, only he knows if he derives pleasure from pain, no one else.

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For him it's different. He feels a whipping as pain but he likes the idea of being able to endure it *for* someone, as a sign of his submission, devotion, whatever. Who's to say that's not equally masochistic?

I am not into labeling other people, and I do think there is a degree of emotional masochism in this, and technically that is part and parcel of masochism... even those into humiliation could be called masochists too.

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RE: On the Merits of Masochism and Experiencing Subspace - 2/27/2007 6:56:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass

Another thing to add perhaps, maybe giving some insight is to say that when I asked him about his experience with me using my single-tail he said he didn't like it, it just plain hurt, and specifically he felt like fighting back against it, lashing out at it in return, I think he said. This interested me because he remained perfectly still during the whipping but told me this afterwards. It's like it either didn't occur to him to make physical reactions or he thought he wasn't supposed to. I told him that if he felt like fighting back against it I wanted to see that, since that's what actually makes the scene work for me. Any thoughts on this?

Hmmmm..... some of my earliest r/t BDSM experiences were with a Domme who did not want any response out of me to whatever was going on. I was expected to "just take it". At the time I had almost NO interest in pain, and by taking it I was spending all my energy on not reacting. I couldn't get into the moment because my attention was diverted to (basically) pretending it wasn't happening. I wanted to make her happy and show what a good subbie I could be. Obviously it didn't work.

Has he expressed that there is any type of impact play that is better for him? If a single-tail is too intense, what is the experience of a flogger? Or crop? Maybe more rhythmic play? Find something pleasurable and repeat it until it gets to that almost too intense point. Just throwing out thoughts... Do y'all do any edge play? Maybe if high impact things aren't working, what about cutting or needles?

And sadly, it may be more that the letting go just goes against the male nature- take it like a man. But that can be talked thru.

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RE: On the Merits of Masochism and Experiencing Subspace - 2/27/2007 7:03:37 PM

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I think he's mastered Mind over matter, like one of them Buddist Monks!!

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RE: On the Merits of Masochism and Experiencing Subspace - 2/28/2007 1:11:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile

All this thought and talk about reactions....
I'd love to be face to with a good Domme right now, pinching each others nipples as hard as we can... Devilish smiles on our faces... and the flow of those little sarcastic remarks... that damn SadoMaso vibe whirling about the room... then again, what room... where... who's on first... as the tunnel vision sets in....

LOL I sometimes try to stand up to my Mistress when she is twisting my nipples with inocent or cocky smile and phrases like "It's not bad" or "I thought you were goint to twist my nipples"... It usually ends some time after my knees give in...

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RE: On the Merits of Masochism and Experiencing Subspace - 2/28/2007 2:37:14 PM

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one thing i find with myself and I do not know if anyone will agree or not. Their is a spiritual term called astral projection....to put into lamens terms, out of body experience without dying. one's spirit/energy leaves and if experienced they can manipulate where it goes...it is essentially a different realm , a world of spirit and energy. after experienced high lvls of pain, i can lay down and drift to that place with such ease and comfort. where on regular days it is hard for me to drift to that place without spending a good amount of time concentrating...then letting go...then trying to let my mind go blank....and i just keep jumping back and forth. i suppose the pain is like a concentration element also

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RE: On the Merits of Masochism and Experiencing Subspace - 3/1/2007 1:52:55 AM

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I have on one occasion experienced out of body experience during a scene. I was suddenly floating in the room and watched my whipping from a upper corner in the room. I looked down on me where I was bound and watched the swing of the crop. I did not connect the swings I was watching with any pain I was receiving... or any pain at all for that matter.

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RE: On the Merits of Masochism and Experiencing Subspace - 3/1/2007 2:30:24 PM

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one thing i find with myself and I do not know if anyone will agree or not. Their is a spiritual term called astral projection....to put into lamens terms, out of body experience without dying. one's spirit/energy leaves and if experienced they can manipulate where it goes...it is essentially a different realm , a world of spirit and energy. after experienced high lvls of pain, i can lay down and drift to that place with such ease and comfort. where on regular days it is hard for me to drift to that place without spending a good amount of time concentrating...then letting go...then trying to let my mind go blank....and i just keep jumping back and forth. i suppose the pain is like a concentration element also

i certainly agree with you there now that i've experienced it ...