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Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 3:54:39 PM   
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CHICAGO - A new study gives the strongest evidence yet that obesity surgery can cure diabetes.

Patients who had surgery to reduce the size of their stomachs were five times more likely to see their diabetes disappear over the next two years than were patients who had standard diabetes care, according to Australian researchers.

Most of the surgery patients were able to stop taking diabetes drugs and achieve normal blood tests.

“It’s the best therapy for diabetes that we have today, and it’s very low risk,” said the study’s lead author, Dr. John Dixon of Monash University Medical School in Melbourne, Australia.

The patients had stomach band surgery, a procedure more common in Australia than in the United States, where gastric bypass surgery, or stomach stapling, predominates.



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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 3:58:36 PM   
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-My best friend did this. He needs no pills what-so-ever now.   It is a serious surgery tho. We watched his dad lose limbs- -Jim was on the fence on this. I said- you dont have a choice- do it.  [he would face the same fate as his dad]

So now he is good.  Oh the stomache thing- you cant disregard the diet- if you do- you vomit-

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 4:07:15 PM   
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I wonder if insurance companies will pick up more of the costs in this procedure now.  I hope so.

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 4:09:34 PM   
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Fat around the midsection is deadly when it comes to Type 2 diabetes. I lost 110 pounds (with diet, not surgery), and no longer need meds for mine.



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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 4:11:56 PM   
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That's awesome, Level!   I'm aware of the dangers of midsection fat in diabetics.  I'm all for helping patients with these issues.  In the long run, it seems it will certainly be cheaper than monthly meds, shots, and other treatments.  Kudos to you on your weight loss.  I know first hand how difficult that is.

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 4:12:15 PM   
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Well my slant on it (of course it is my slant on it) again has to do with nutrition.

People grow overweight because they eat too much. They eat too much because their body is not getting what they need.

Something that restricts the stomach will not allow them to eat as much, I imagine they feel full on quite a bit less food. If they are taught right, to eat better food but less of it, the deficiencies that caused the diabetes in this first place might be alleviated.

This may work in Austrailia, but I have heard that people in the US sometimes do not respond to such surgery. But the food here is among the least nutritious around. That could explain that.

Through fasting and simply eating less I have shrunk my stomach without surgery. I get full very quickly so I am very careful as to what I eat.

They say don't do that, but I do not buy it. And I don't generally listen to people who make money when I get sick. What we need is a pay for health program rather than a pay for illness program.

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 4:13:51 PM   
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It is a 50k surgery. Jim got ins approval 3 days b4 they classified it as vanity.

this surgery is more then 1-

counseling and group sessions-

it is a last resort and serious surgery. not a wisdom tooth-gall bladder calibur decission. 

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 4:20:50 PM   
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people go overweight because of the likes of mcd's and eating it since they were 5 year olds.  some parents bring their kids to mcd's 3 times a day because they dont know how to cook, or because its too conveinent.  it in turn causes many diseases that kids would likely never have got.

there are commercials on tv now that say if your kids are not active your kid will die at a young age.  they have some of them saying "are you going to the party... no i have to go for triple bi pass" or whatever in the commercial.  there are about 3 dif commercials with about 5 dif surgical procedures needed as an excuse for not doing something with some other kid.

in the usa the # of fast food restaurants is incredible.  makes it too easy and to conveinent.  which is why it was said that 70% of usa is obese.  the supersize movie said that.  how true is it?? i dont know.  but i do know i dont see as many thin or height/weight proportionate people that i used to and im in canada.

i was once 196 lbs but i changed and in 5 years lost 75 lbs.  i cant do cardio so its a little harder for me to lose weight.


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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 4:28:04 PM   
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That's awesome, Level!   I'm aware of the dangers of midsection fat in diabetics.  I'm all for helping patients with these issues.  In the long run, it seems it will certainly be cheaper than monthly meds, shots, and other treatments.  Kudos to you on your weight loss.  I know first hand how difficult that is.


Thanks owned. It would definitely be cheaper, especially if you look down the road, at possible amputations, blindness, kindey failure, etc.

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 4:29:42 PM   
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Regarding overweight: there are different reasons, for different people, but for many, many folks, it's an excess of carbohydrate. Carbs turn into sugar, sugar makes insulin excrete, and insulin makes the body store fat. It's a vicious cycle.

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 4:29:47 PM   
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I think some folks have genetics that dont help. centuries ago- it was a status symbol to be plump.

i get mad at the commericialism here and the dog food that human food is. [dont get me started]

im happy to say that after 18 mos of chugging drinking water- and a better diet- the beginning of 6 pack abs are starting on me.  the pinch an inch applies here.  when im out and about i see how brainwashed our culture is.

old timers could tell you this- they had alot of things right on

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 4:35:54 PM   
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you make me dream that i can do cardio... it pisses me off...
i also cant create muscle due to my intersexed condition...so im very very thankful that my weight has only been in my stomache and no place else.

but im stuck at 135-138 lbs...ive never been lower than 126 and i dont think i can get back to 126...  but for my height this weight is good.


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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 4:37:35 PM   
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That's not the ONLY way you get fat, true most people gorge on fast food and bad for you snacks, but I am fat, and  We never ate out tons as kids I was skinny till I was 17 and then I went into a level 13 group home, that didn't allow us leave the property unless it was to go to school, or go on store run or go out with our personal advicate to go shopping, or unless you had approved home leave, and if you wanted to go walking there had to be enough staff to take you and enough to leave behind to watch the other girls,  AND the house had to be calm and not in chaos, or with girls on suicide watch, or with girls acting out and distroying things.



and you had to have outing privilages and you had to not be grounded, and most times I didn't have outing privilages cause of one stupid reason or another, mainly loosing my level privilages by not making my bed in the morning and not doing morning chores.

There was ZERO NONE ZIP SILCH exorcise going on, we were not even allowed to do exorcise video's unless we had tv privilages. now I know there's things you can do on your own with out leaving the house, butI never thought about it.

and we ate home cooked meals 3 times a day not much junk at home . and if you didn't eat all your meal you got a zero for that period/ Which ment a loss of level which ment loss of privilages like tv and leaving the house which could mean loss of visits from family . I had my helping and 3 other people's plates, most meals, because I wasn't full, so that my fellow housemates wouldn't get punished for not finishing their meal and I wasn't getting proper exercise. so consequently I got fat, plus they shoved a ton of meds down our throats 3 times a day, that had known side affects such as increase in weight gain, most the meds I didn't need.



They did finally impliment an exercise program once a week by the time I was getting ready to leave but damage was done I went from a size 16 to a size 24 in the 3 years I was there. Proof that even if it's home cooked and there for "normal food" that to much is bad.,

Today we rarely eat out, and I am still fat cause I am lazy and I don't do any exorcise and cause I eat wrong kinds of foods and our meals are not nutritionaly complete, cause the ones cooking don't know diddly shit about nutrtion and neither do I and I only eat about once a day and even at that somedays I don't eat at all

So all the blame does not lie  on parents taking their kids to mcd's every day since 5 y.o People get fat other ways on normal food. There's a small percentage of people who're fat and out of shape and unhealthy entirely independantly of fast foods.

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people go overweight because of the likes of mcd's and eating it since they were 5 year olds.  some parents bring their kids to mcd's 3 times a day because they dont know how to cook, or because its too conveinent.  it in turn causes many diseases that kids would likely never have got.

there are commercials on tv now that say if your kids are not active your kid will die at a young age.  they have some of them saying "are you going to the party... no i have to go for triple bi pass" or whatever in the commercial.  there are about 3 dif commercials with about 5 dif surgical procedures needed as an excuse for not doing something with some other kid.

in the usa the # of fast food restaurants is incredible.  makes it too easy and to conveinent.  which is why it was said that 70% of usa is obese.  the supersize movie said that.  how true is it?? i dont know.  but i do know i dont see as many thin or height/weight proportionate people that i used to and im in canada.

i was once 196 lbs but i changed and in 5 years lost 75 lbs.  i cant do cardio so its a little harder for me to lose weight.



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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 4:41:21 PM   
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which also proved my 2nd paragraph point that if your not active...you'll gain weight.



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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 4:44:51 PM   
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The amount of exercise I got was almost zero.

Exercise seldom works well for weight loss, but it is good for general health.

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 4:44:57 PM   
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Obesity is an illness to some.. I know I lived with it most of my life and I had Gastric Bypass surgery in 2006. I was borderline diabeties and it helped me to have that surgery. I am still learning how to eat healthier and how to be healthier but in the long run it was WELL WORTH the surgery and all I had to go through to get to where I am today...

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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 4:47:55 PM   
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The amount of exercise I got was almost zero.

Exercise seldom works well for weight loss, but it is good for general health.


yes and the best/easiest exercise is walking.  everyone can do it.


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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 4:50:14 PM   
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that is very very true, I'm just stating I represent a part o the populace who don't eat fast food and much junk lots and am still fat. People villify fast food chains and stuff, but nobody held guns to any bodies heads and said go eat out we and parents did it to themself and their kids. I'd like to see people take alittle responcibility for their actions and not blame fast food simply because it was there.

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which also proved my 2nd paragraph point that if your not active...you'll gain weight.



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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 4:51:09 PM   
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I don't think it's so much the surgery as losing weight that helped.  I know it's hard to lose, but I also know the risks for the surgery and I believe it should be the very last resort.  I have heard of too many people thinking it would take care of everything and that they wouldn't have to worry about overeating because of stomach size.  Truth is, as soon as the tummy stretched back to size, they had to face what made them eat too much in the first place.

I have also noticed that those I have seen pics of, or even in person, looked awful after losing the weight.  They didn't look healthy, their skin was saggy, and their hair was usually thin.  It didn't look like they got enough nutrients to keep their body up the way it should be.

Kudos to you, Level.  I know how hard it is to lose anything at all.  I am in the process myself and know for me it's a struggle everyday not to eat the wrong things.


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RE: Obesity surgery cure for diabetes? - 1/22/2008 4:54:35 PM   
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I don't think it's so much the surgery as losing weight that helped.  I know it's hard to lose, but I also know the risks for the surgery and I believe it should be the very last resort.  I have heard of too many people thinking it would take care of everything and that they wouldn't have to worry about overeating because of stomach size.  Truth is, as soon as the tummy stretched back to size, they had to face what made them eat too much in the first place.

I have also noticed that those I have seen pics of, or even in person, looked awful after losing the weight.  They didn't look healthy, their skin was saggy, and their hair was usually thin.  It didn't look like they got enough nutrients to keep their body up the way it should be.

Kudos to you, Level.  I know how hard it is to lose anything at all.  I am in the process myself and know for me it's a struggle everyday not to eat the wrong things.



Thanks  A woman I know had the lap band surgery, and she lost a ton of weight, but eventually had to have the surgery reversed. She was eating as much as she could, then "purging" so she could eat more, and she ended up very ill.

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