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boiledkraken -> questions about anal (5/9/2007 11:32:03 PM)

okay, lately I've been seriously getting into anal stuff, and it's becoming quite sensational the bigger the objects get. I have a few questions though.

what's the largest object you can fit width and length wise? the largest object I've had was 1 inch thick and atleast 7 or 8 inches long. but that's starting to bore me now because it no longer makes me feel full, especially when I manuever it. it doesn't even go in all the way, so trying to take the whole thing hurts, not to mention is quite bothersome.
next, if I used a shampoo bottle, is it bad if shampoo goes into your anus? I keep wanting to try it but I'm not sure if it would cause health issues.
finally, I find forcing an object out through natural means rather than pulling at an object to get it out is less painful and quite fun, though sometimes pulling an object out is necessary. is there any risks of tearing by pulling something out by chance?

thanks for your time, I hope to get some answers soon.




MusicalMiss -> RE: questions about anal (5/9/2007 11:45:40 PM)

There's almost no limit to what you can fit with the right lube. The right lube will also help you avoid tears and other damage. Don't get me wrong, the risk is always there. I would say that it is easy until you pass 2 inches in diameter, but it is different for everyone.

Shampoo burns... really bad. It can damage surfaces in your body, bad idea. Investing in good toys is worth it. You will progress exponentially.

Just listen to your body.

Best Wishes!




MissOchistic -> RE: questions about anal (5/10/2007 12:34:15 AM)

As far as shampoo goes, i couldn't really tell you about possible health issues, but i can tell you...oh god it hurts.

Would have hurt a lot less to just snort it up my nose.




MissOchistic -> RE: questions about anal (5/10/2007 12:37:24 AM)

Oh, and as far as pulling something out..

there is a reason butt plugs all have that round disc at the bottom; it's to keep it out. Apparently gravity does not apply to your anus. What goes up often does not come down. This is what causes those embarassing trips to the emergency room trying to explain how you got out of the shower and just sat down really hard on that potato.

Whatever you're using, make sure you do not let it go completely into your rectum. Sooner or later something will get stuck, and that could cause rips, bleeding, and redness of the face.




onestandingstill -> RE: questions about anal (5/10/2007 8:11:55 AM)

As your ass stretches more and more things will be able to be inserted without tearing.
What's happened is you've gotten to the point the current toy is not pulling everything tight as the tissues are stretched out.
It's a constant discussion in here about once your ass is big enough to take a mans hand & arm to the elbow people wonder if you're going to still have full bowel control.
As I've never talked to someone who takes such extreme insertions personally I really have no idea if it causes you permanent issues or not.
I've seen porn movies where a guy takes a 4 inch wide, by two feet long dildo his Mistress has on as a strap on all the way to the hilt and then she's banging the hell out of him all the way in to half way out for a while.
She's got like 4 different videos available to paying members in alt so if you're curious enough to want to see it with your own eyes go buy a membership.
I'm thinking this is something they do often if they've got 4 videos of 4 different events.
Again I'm not sure if the permanent stretching is leaving moist skid marks in his drawers all the day long or not, but that's my biggest concern of doing any of that myself.
The skin's only so elastic before it's just loose and stretched out forever.
I've also hear from a Domme in here in a forum her guy and her had really gotten into anal fisting and he aspired to have her stick her hand and arm all the way to the elbow in him.
She said it felt like a 2nd sphincter muscle about 6-8 inches in.
I think they told her to work the 2nd restriction lightly and gradually it would loosen up enough she could go past that point without damage rather quickly.
Maybe that's what's hurting you with the deep insertions.
Start with long skinny things and build up to fatter ones slowly.
Since the first opening is loose go for short fat things.
That way you'll feel full and not be forcing the higher gate to open and stretch too wide too fast.
As far as shampoo bottles....
The bathroom is a moist germ filled environment. Your ass walls will absorb things that are put in your rectal tract.
Sounds like you'd at minimum be giving yourself a staff infection playing with things that sit around the restroom for months in the dampest spot in the house to me.
Cucumbers, eggplants, and other vegetables you've washed with soap to remove the protective glazes they put on it sounds a LOT healthier a pervertable to me.
There's been tons of ass play threads.
Hit the ity bitty search word in the top right of the main forum page and type in butt ass and you'll get more information than you could read in a month.
I'd also like to caution you on using anal ease or other products specifically designed with numbing agents in them.
That's where you'd really run a huge risk of inserting something too big and doing damage as you'd not feel it fully till later.
Good luck, and remember fun is fun, but you only get one asshole and you need it to evacuate.
Be careful, be sensible, be patient and train slowly so you don't hurt yourself.
suzanne




boiledkraken -> RE: questions about anal (5/10/2007 9:20:42 AM)

thanks for all the advice.
I guess I won't be attempting the shampoo thing ever, but I still wanna try something in there. I guess water would work for starters, right?
I'll go easy with trying to fit things much bigger in there until I can start working on the 2nd area. I have a few tools I could use for that atleast. I'm still very much wanting to fit larger objects though, so in the end it'd be worth it.




MsBearlee -> RE: questions about anal (5/10/2007 9:25:59 AM)

 

Try www.blowfish.com for both information and a very nice selection of butt plugs & dildos.
 
And... have FUN!
 
B




kiwisub12 -> RE: questions about anal (5/10/2007 3:52:35 PM)

you might want to think about fixing string or twine to home-made butt plugs. You can actually generate suction in your butt, and lose "toys", by being sucked in farther than anticipated. Having worked in an ED I can attest to the acute embarassement of lost toys.




boiledkraken -> RE: questions about anal (5/10/2007 7:28:20 PM)

I'm making sure that sort of thing wouldn't happen. right now all I have is "home made" plugs as you put it, since this is a very recent development. actually, it's this that got me to seriously thinking I'm a switch too.




boiledkraken -> RE: questions about anal (5/11/2007 11:25:53 PM)

I have one last question.
the object I've been using regularly is an air pump that you pump with your hand. yesterday I tried using the air pump in my anus and squeezing myself around it. it was a very enjoyable expreience, aside from when it blew air past the area you said was like a 2nd sphincter I haven't been able to get past. It definitely stretches quite a bit, but it gives you short-lived gas. is there any reason doing that again would cause health issues? it doesn't seem like it would, but I'm asking to be sure.
attempting to work on that 2nd sphincter isn't doing so well actually. it's hard to figure out where it is without being able to feel it, and the long object I've been using feels like it's just hitting walls, which really hurts if you test it too much.




pixelslave -> RE: questions about anal (5/12/2007 4:29:19 PM)

I'd highly recommend you purchase a book by Jack Morin called "Anal Pleasure & Health".  You can order it from Amazon or get it from the local B&N, etc. [&:]
 
Part of the problem you're encountering is that the rectum turns at some point before it reaches the colon and you could be doing physical damage to yourself if your toys don't bend with it and follow it's natural path.  Look at an anatomy book, or the one I just referenced and you'll see what I'm describing.  The last thing in the world you want to have happen is to rupture or puncture one of the walls of it's lining.  So if a toy doesn't want to go further and it feels as though there's no place for it to go, it's definitely time to stop trying to go further!
 
 - pixel




HeavansKeeper -> RE: questions about anal (5/14/2007 5:09:53 AM)

Work on width slowly... Fissures can be extremely painful are are prone to breaking again.  Although I would avoid anything "chemical" going into the anus (other than lubes which are designed to be very easy on the body) it is the most resilient orifice, in that regard.  Remember that the natural residents of the anus are poisonous to humans if injested and carry unbelievable amounts of bacteria.  You'll find most anal toys are softer for a reason.
 
Clenching can give you that filling feeling using smaller/safer tools.  A general rule of thumb: if it hurts in a wierd way, don't.  Are you playing alone?  A partner might be able to help you get the angles and positions you might struggle with.




latexbarbiets -> RE: questions about anal (5/14/2007 1:21:00 PM)

I have had vast experience at anal and large toys. My simplest recommendation is to NOT use homemade toys or objects, as they tend to be harder and not good on the anus. Be smart, spends the 25bucks or so on decent toys. The best ones i've found are ones made my erosstar, they are natural rubber, very soft and flexible and come in a wide variety of sizes. The site i've used to buy alot of mine is www.bigsextoystore.com. They are not very expensive(20-30bucks usually). As some above posters said, be safe, be patient, and most of all invest in good lube(and tons of it).

Barbie




HeavansKeeper -> RE: questions about anal (5/14/2007 7:46:25 PM)

I've never really toyed around with pushing the limits for size... would you say that there is a "too much lube" when stretching.  For penetration there is that point where the whole scene is slippery and you have trouble getting the friction needed to provide force.




MistressBastet -> RE: questions about anal (5/14/2007 8:12:55 PM)

Just my bit of personal experiance with anal play. Take your time and lube and never force things. I have seen men take bowling pins. With no long term repercsions. But they go slow and they work at the stretching and always take breaks. As well as down periods to let the stretching go back. On the same note I have seen some that are not comforatable at all even with smaller toys.
I will tell you once I played with a man that said he was an anal virgin. And he was tight. But threw the process of the night. Lots of lube and him asking and begging for more he ended up with my fist in him. Now given he was a big man. ( have found that with bigger men there anus seems to be a bit more stretchable. Don't really know why)  And I do have small hands. I was wearing gloves. (great for fisting or even finger anal play keeps the anus safe from nails) and adds to the motion of the lubrication.  And well that was more on the width of the item seeing as I did not go past my wrist. So for the length. I would listen to those above me.




chellekitty -> RE: questions about anal (5/14/2007 8:20:31 PM)

too much lube, in the context of stretching to take larger objects?? umm nooo...

anywho, i recently sat around with about ohhh 7 or 8 other straight people and one gay guy who delighted us with stories of anal fisting...giving and recieving (including one hillarious story of how he had to chase a guy around the room with his fist still in his ass before having a ligament in his wrist torn getting it out..) however never was there once a mention of there being a problem with being able to hold anything in....

on the other hand with my limited experience of large objects inserted anally...i have found the oppisite to be true...i had a rather hard time with my bowel movements for a day or two because things has been...well...impacted?

good luck
chelle
House Infernus




Aswad -> RE: questions about anal (5/15/2007 10:25:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissOchistic

there is a reason butt plugs all have that round disc at the bottom; it's to keep it out. Apparently gravity does not apply to your anus. What goes up often does not come down. This is what causes those embarassing trips to the emergency room trying to explain how you got out of the shower and just sat down really hard on that potato.


You'd be amazed at what the docs have to pull out. We're not just talking "hmm, I wonder if that would fit", or even general bad judgement. A friend offered to show me some X-rays, but I never quite "got" why that would be any more fun than just listening to the stories.

Reminds me of the nurse who first managed to stuff her nose with some long candy sticks until she couldn't get them out and needed a doctor to do it, and then managed to gape her mouth over a big ball on top of a bedpost so the other people present had to rotate her to unscrew the ball; of course, it was the same doc on duty that night, so he spent a few minutes rolling around on the floor laughing before he could help her.

But, really, there's no cause to be embarassed. The docs have seen worse. Always.

And, as we all probably know, a red face is better than septic shock from a perforated colon.




Aswad -> RE: questions about anal (5/15/2007 10:44:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: onestandingstill

I've seen porn movies where a guy takes a 4 inch wide, by two feet long dildo his Mistress has on as a strap on all the way to the hilt and then she's banging the hell out of him all the way in to half way out for a while.


There's quite a few of those out there. My personal favourites, as a male, are the ones where a man jerks off inside the woman. I've only seen that in vaginal and anal versions, although I know of at least one couple that does it with the hand in the vagina and the penis in the rear. If anyone finds a movie of that, I'd certainly like to have a look.

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The skin's only so elastic before it's just loose and stretched out forever.


The skin isn't really so much the issue as the sphincter, from what I've heard on the fisting/dilation boards. I don't play that "extreme" yet, though, so I couldn't collaborate with my own experiences.

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She said it felt like a 2nd sphincter muscle about 6-8 inches in.


That's not a sphincter, I think, although my anatomy might be wrong. The depth corresponds to where you'd expect to see the sigmoid colon, however, which is an area that bends sharply. You're not really relaxing it, so much as moving it.

That said, it is possible to get your whole arm in there, provided you have a very detailed knowledge of the anatomy, so you don't damage internal organs or vital nerve trunks; the trick is apparently that the arm gets bent back on itself in following the large intestine. You'd pass close to the diaphragm along the way, though, so I'd stress that "anatomy" part.

Judging from having had a medical camera pushed in all the way to the start of the small intestine, I don't think it'd be particularly pleasant, though. [:D]

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Maybe that's what's hurting you with the deep insertions. Start with long skinny things and build up to fatter ones slowly.


You should never insert anything inanimate beyond 15cm (6 inches) depth unless it is explicitly designed to go that far in. Ever.

Yes, you'll probably do fine, just like drunk driving usually works out. But it's a similar level of risk. You don't have any nerves that give you significant localized tactile feedback in there, and whereas the rectum has both a decent amount of nerve endings and a solid muscle wrapped around it, the membrane of the sigmoid colon is about as strong as a wet paper towel.

And piercing the sigmoid colon means surgery, intravenous antibiotics, and so forth, within a couple of hours or so, IIRC. The alternative being septic shock and death. Not something I'd recommend risking.

Working blind, with inadequate tactile feedback, and using a tool, in such a sensitive area as the sigmoid colon, is a disaster waiting to happen, although it might not, just as with DUI, although it won't be affecting anyone else directly, obviously.

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The bathroom is a moist germ filled environment. Your ass walls will absorb things that are put in your rectal tract.


You might consider that the intestines are a moist, germ filled environment, too.

60% of fecal matter or so, IIRC, is dead bacteria. The rest is a mix of undigested, or partially digested, food and live bacteria.

There are things that can infect it, for sure, but I wouldn't consider that to be the more risky element here. The intestines are designed to keep the "wrong stuff" out, and from an immune response perspective, the insides of the intestines are "outside" the body. Consider the human body like an elongated and convoluted donut; there's the skin-colored exterior membrane, and the flesh-colored exterior membrane.




Aswad -> RE: questions about anal (5/15/2007 10:47:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: boiledkraken

I guess I won't be attempting the shampoo thing ever, but I still wanna try something in there. I guess water would work for starters, right?


Water would work, but there are douche bags and such for that. You wouldn't want to use the tap directly.

Else, if dilation is the sensation you crave, smooth bowling pins work wonders in the "fill'er up department", while on the smaller end of the scale, hands, feet, or rounded objects that you can't accidentally lose would work.

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I'm still very much wanting to fit larger objects though, so in the end it'd be worth it.


I think BJ and Ariel hang on one of the dilation forums out there. You could try searching specifically for it, or having a look at some of the gay handballing (fisting) sites out there. They usually have the best information.




Aswad -> RE: questions about anal (5/15/2007 10:53:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressBastet

have found that with bigger men there anus seems to be a bit more stretchable. Don't really know why.


Probably both because their pelvic bone is wider, and because the muscle is proportionally larger, hence has more "give" in it. The latter affects how quickly you can go, although I must say I've gotten 90% of the way in a night once with neph, without having done it for like a year or so at the time, and my hands are big. The physical limit is the pelvic bone, minus a bit of room for the muscle.




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