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MistressBastet -> RE: questions about anal (5/15/2007 11:19:33 PM)
Aswad, that is some very good insite. Thank you so much.

jj292 -> RE: questions about anal (5/15/2007 11:26:13 PM)
The risk of infection of course is there. But it depends on the injury. People with hemorrhoids for example can bleed in and around the anus but the wounds rarely get infected. A fissure or tear though has a higher chance of infection.

GrizzlyBear -> RE: questions about anal (5/16/2007 1:08:45 AM)
If you want to dilate your anus, get some toys made for the job. Most sex toy makers are not addressing that market. Look here: http://www.squarepegtoys.com/ These people make toys especially for the purpose because it is their kink to fit large things in their ass.

boiledkraken -> RE: questions about anal (5/29/2007 1:15:24 AM)
well, I've managed to get past that bend in my rectum and get something a full 8 inches long in as far as possible. but damn, I'm still not really filling myself well, and now the toy I've been using isn't stretching me like it used to. I am taking everyone's advice, but it's really hard to do this by myself. I guess some things require a partner.[:'(]

Aswad -> RE: questions about anal (5/29/2007 7:50:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressBastet Aswad, that is some very good insite. Thank you so much. You're welcome. [:D]

Aswad -> RE: questions about anal (5/29/2007 8:20:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jj292 The risk of infection of course is there. But it depends on the injury. People with hemorrhoids for example can bleed in and around the anus but the wounds rarely get infected. A fissure or tear though has a higher chance of infection. A hemorrhoid can, as you say, bleed a bit, but you can tell that it's a hemorrhoid if you inspect it. Also, if it's in an area that has nerve endings, the fistee will know that it's there before you start, since it'll hurt when passing stool. Infections are possible, but the risk is probably not worth worrying about; of course, I'd run that by an MD or a serious handballing forum if a proper risk assessment is desired. Fissures or tears may be infected, but again, you get those every time you pass a hard stool, or one that has undigested bits in it (whole grain, corn, etc.); the body is designed to cope with this, and you'll have some advance warning. A perforated colon, on the other hand, will bleed a lot more than either of those two, and will (IIRC) generally not stop bleeding on its own. Whether the colon gets infected is entirely beside the point, as the real issue is that the bloodstream and surrounding tissues get infected (peritonitis), and surgical intervention will usually be necessary. Left untreated, death from septic shock is to be expected. Any outright perforation of any part of the gastrontestinal tract is a medical emergency, and should be treated as such. The classic (in record time) example is "Mr. Hands", who delayed his visit to the E.R. by a few hours, with fatal results. Tears, fissures and hemorrhoids are usually little more than a nuisance, except for the STD concerns.

Aswad -> RE: questions about anal (5/29/2007 8:23:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: boiledkraken I've managed to get past that bend in my rectum [...] I am taking everyone's advice, but it's really hard to do this by myself. [...] I guess some things require a partner.[:'(] Going past the sigmoid colon without an experienced partner is inadvisable, due to the risk of perforating the GI tract. Try going for bigger, shorter things.

malloves69 -> RE: questions about anal (5/29/2007 11:54:08 AM)
love anal play [:)] love when my mistress fists me ...we did it 2 times last week and i love that feeling of her going inside of me as i surrender myself to her ....we use crisco as a lube and i swear by that stuff ...i always take at least 2 or 3 enemas to make sure im nice and clean for her to play with ...first she uses 2 or 3 strapons on me to say hello to my ass and get me to relax and open up for her ...love her 10 in one the best and once she has used that one on me out goes her strapon and in goes her fist [:)] i think her fisting me is a powerfull exchange of power that i give to her while she is inside of me ..its amazing to see her arm sticking out of my ass and im way past her wrist and our goal is to try to go to her elbow [:)] yes she goes slowly past a certain point to make sure im fine with that and trust is the key i believe the deeper she goes ...im totally hers when she fists me and usually she gets me to cum alot from her doing this ...its awesome to see the sparkle in her eyes when she says its time to get fisted and who am i to say no to her and her desires [:)] problem is now i crave it more i swear my ass has a mind of its own sometimes --lol she does it in such a loving and caring way that really is awesome and i love being a submissive male ...women wearing strapons are incredible sexy and i will gladly bendover for a lady anytime she wants to take my ass ..anal play is a lot of fun ..love the way she opens me up and cums inside of me with her fist ...have fun and enjoy [:)] mal

Aswad -> RE: questions about anal (5/30/2007 3:36:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: malloves69 its amazing to see her arm sticking out of my ass and im way past her wrist and our goal is to try to go to her elbow If you keep at it, you'll get there in time, and further. Good luck. If, as you said, you crave more, she might want to try using a foot instead. I've seen some gay handballers get the heel in and go past the ankle; a woman will usually have smaller feet, so it should be doable. As usual, researching it up front is advisable. Depends on what you're craving more of, and (more relevantly) what she craves more of. Some people get off on an elbow, others an ankle, yet still others prefer to "jerk off" a strapon in there. Takes all kinds. quote: yes she goes slowly past a certain point to make sure im fine with that and trust is the key i believe the deeper she goes Sure, it's great fun. However, trust is just the mental safety aspect of things. There is also a physical safety aspect that needs to be adequately addressed, regardless of how good it feels, or how amazing everything is, or how hot it gets you. Here's a simple physical exercise to illustrate the point: Locate the lowest pair of ribs in your ribcage, then the bridge where they meet, and move one inch down. Place your elbow there, ball up your hand, and keep your arm in a straight line (it will pass above the navel, etc.) toward your rectum. Then there's the mental exercise that follows: Take the amount by which your arm goes past your rectum, and imagine a point that far above the point where the elbow is. If you've done it properly, you should by now have figured out that this point is well past your diaphragm, and into the lungs proper. Needless to say, your anatomy cannot support this. QED. I'm not saying one shouldn't go that far (there are people who manage to get in up to the shoulder), just that it is critical to have a fundamental understanding of the anatomy involved, including how the intestines are laid out, how much they can take before they are perforated, where the tendons and ligaments are, how strong those are, which nerve trunks are passed along the way, which internal organs will be shifted by how much, where major veins and arteries are in relation to the arm, and so forth. Trust alone does not confer safety.

boiledkraken -> RE: questions about anal (6/3/2007 11:44:22 PM)
I realize what you mean as don't do anything without an experienced partner, and I realize that is what I will need. but heaven knows that will be difficult. at any rate, I tried using my air pump to fill myself with water. it worked, but was the most unpleasant feeling I've ever come across, especially when it caused my bowels to attempt to empty out. I don't think I'll be trying anything more than stuffing then, as it's much more enjoyable than trying to fill myself through unnecessary means. As a side note, is it possible to fist yourself, or is there not enough length to the human arm to allow such a feat?

RealDom69 -> RE: questions about anal (6/7/2007 7:19:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: boiledkraken okay, lately I've been seriously getting into anal stuff, and it's becoming quite sensational the bigger the objects get. I have a few questions though. what's the largest object you can fit width and length wise? the largest object I've had was 1 inch thick and atleast 7 or 8 inches long. but that's starting to bore me now because it no longer makes me feel full, especially when I manuever it. it doesn't even go in all the way, so trying to take the whole thing hurts, not to mention is quite bothersome. next, if I used a shampoo bottle, is it bad if shampoo goes into your anus? I keep wanting to try it but I'm not sure if it would cause health issues. finally, I find forcing an object out through natural means rather than pulling at an object to get it out is less painful and quite fun, though sometimes pulling an object out is necessary. is there any risks of tearing by pulling something out by chance? thanks for your time, I hope to get some answers soon. I find some of the answers quite interesting, but there is another aspect of anal fisting that has a long term effect. As the muscles are stretched to the max they weaken a little which may not be noticable untill in later life when it is very difficult for the fistee to hold themselves for long when the need to go to the toilet takes them by surprise, at this time wet farts are common and anal dribbling can be uncontrolable, and in extreem cases the fistee will need to wear diapers permanantly.... so anal fisting can be fun in the short term .. but a pain in the ass in the long term .. This is not the case in Vaginal fisting as the urethra is not being stretched so does not present the same problems .. play safe .. :)) Johnny Reble

Aswad -> RE: questions about anal (6/9/2007 3:27:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: boiledkraken I realize what you mean as don't do anything without an experienced partner, and I realize that is what I will need. but heaven knows that will be difficult. Finding partners? Not neccessarily a problem. Check out some of the interest groups involved in this kind of thing. Also, if you happen to be open to the idea of male tops, there will probably be some experienced communities around. quote: at any rate, I tried using my air pump to fill myself with water. [..] That would seem ill-adivsed on several levels. Which is not to say I haven't tried similar things myself. quote: As a side note, is it possible to fist yourself, or is there not enough length to the human arm to allow such a feat? That is entirely doable. How deep you can get will depend on a ton of things. I'd reccommend checking out some gay handballing sites. They have all the best info.

earthycouple -> RE: questions about anal (6/9/2007 4:15:36 PM)
What I've yet to see addressed here is overstimulation of the vagal nerve. The vagal nerve runs the length of the body and when over stimulated (pushed on to hard or just wrong) it can cause medical problems. While I realize this article is about digital removal of fecal impaction......same applies to other foreign objects. Take from it what you will. (I enjoy anal play very much...I'm not preaching...just informing) http://health.enotes.com/nursing-encyclopedia/fecal-impaction-removal "This digital breaking up and removal of impacted stool can potentially damage the mucous membrane linings in the bowel, and the stimulation to the vagus nerve that has endings in the rectum can cause heart irregularities. It is therefore a procedure that is undertaken only with extreme caution. Most often, nurses remove fecal impactions upon receiving a physician's order, or under a physician's supervision."

pixelslave -> RE: questions about anal (6/9/2007 5:17:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: earthycouple What I've yet to see addressed here is overstimulation of the vagal nerve. The vagal nerve runs the length of the body and when over stimulated (pushed on to hard or just wrong) it can cause medical problems. While I realize this article is about digital removal of fecal impaction......same applies to other foreign objects. Take from it what you will. (I enjoy anal play very much...I'm not preaching...just informing) http://health.enotes.com/nursing-encyclopedia/fecal-impaction-removal "This digital breaking up and removal of impacted stool can potentially damage the mucous membrane linings in the bowel, and the stimulation to the vagus nerve that has endings in the rectum can cause heart irregularities. It is therefore a procedure that is undertaken only with extreme caution. Most often, nurses remove fecal impactions upon receiving a physician's order, or under a physician's supervision." Thanks for posting that info as it could be something that Mistress and I may one day *need* to know. The first time she went to prepare me for her strap-on, which wasn't very long ago, I was so relaxed that the next thing we knew she had all 4 fingers inside me, including her knuckles and was also up to just below the 2nd joint on her thumb! We were both in amazement as neigther of us had experienced anything close to fisting, either giving or receiving, yet we were nearly all the way there! This was such an exciting and intimate experience for both of us that we definitely want to pursue it further in the future. As exciting as the thought is of her perhaps going further than just her hand, we recognize that more knowledge of anatomy would be essential to us for deeper exploration of this kind to occur beyond her wrist. [&:] - pixel

Aswad -> RE: questions about anal (6/9/2007 5:22:34 PM)
Thank you very much for that link, earthycouple. I had been under the impression that strong stimulation of the vagus nerve wasn't a significant risk until one had passed the sigmoid colon. I have, however, read that fatal results can be had from accidental stimulation of nerve trunks when going deeply, which I had assumed to be related to the vagus nerve; that is one of the reasons I generally want people to take an anatomy course before they go deeper. Would you suggest that such a course be undertaken for more "basic" fisting as well? If so, will nurse-level anatomy education suffice, or should I attend the stud.med. anatomy classes that deal with these regions? I also enjoy anal play tremendously, and have tried to acquire what knowledge I can from the gay sites (usually the best sources of information, in my experience) in order to be able to enjoy it without undue risk. Whatever else I can learn is all good, and I'm more than willing to put in the time for that. If you have any advice to offer on more "advanced" techniques, like the use of feet (I love that), or the "masturbation" techniques I mentioned earlier in this thread, particularly with regards to how to limit the risk as much as possible, that would be very useful to me and my partners. Again, thanks for what you have pointed out so far.

earthycouple -> RE: questions about anal (6/9/2007 8:01:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad Thank you very much for that link, earthycouple. I had been under the impression that strong stimulation of the vagus nerve wasn't a significant risk until one had passed the sigmoid colon. I have, however, read that fatal results can be had from accidental stimulation of nerve trunks when going deeply, which I had assumed to be related to the vagus nerve; that is one of the reasons I generally want people to take an anatomy course before they go deeper. A very wise suggestion by all means. Would you suggest that such a course be undertaken for more "basic" fisting as well? If so, will nurse-level anatomy education suffice, or should I attend the stud.med. anatomy classes that deal with these regions? I believe that as long as one is not exerting extreme pressure along the rectal walls (read directly pushing where the vagal nerve is found) they should be ok when doing "basic" anal play. Some of this has to also do with one "straining." A partner who resists, even without realizing it would be more of a risk than one who is totally relaxed for what is about to come. Never once have I worried about a healthy partner taking a strap on, my fingers/hand or other basic toys. For you, particularly Aswad, I would think you have good general knowledge (based on previous posts) I would never tell anyone to avoid further education though. I also enjoy anal play tremendously, and have tried to acquire what knowledge I can from the gay sites (usually the best sources of information, in my experience) in order to be able to enjoy it without undue risk. Whatever else I can learn is all good, and I'm more than willing to put in the time for that. If you have any advice to offer on more "advanced" techniques, like the use of feet (I love that), or the "masturbation" techniques I mentioned earlier in this thread, particularly with regards to how to limit the risk as much as possible, that would be very useful to me and my partners. I would be leary of self exploration past "basics" that is going farther up the colon past the rectal vault. I personally don't feel the risks of tears and such are worth it even beyond improper stimulation of the vagal nerve. Again, thanks for what you have pointed out so far. There have been cases where trying to pass a very hard stool has caused heart failure in some already heart compromised patients. (My mother, also a nurse, witnessed this herself once in her career). I attempted to find a good online pic of the nerve positioning but failed terribly. Hum.

Lordandmaster -> RE: questions about anal (6/9/2007 8:08:02 PM)
Just want to make sure everyone is clear that the anus is the opening BEHIND the vagina. Sometimes people get confused. Oh, and both men and women have anuses. Sometimes people aren't aware of that, either. Edited to add: I just realized the above might be confusing. The anus is the opening behind the vagina if you're looking at a female face-forward. If you're looking at her face-down, the anus is the opening IN FRONT OF the vagina. Just thought I'd clear that up.

Aswad -> RE: questions about anal (6/9/2007 11:04:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: earthycouple Some of this has to also do with one "straining." A partner who resists, even without realizing it would be more of a risk than one who is totally relaxed for what is about to come. Okay, that's a very useful piece of information. We've always been fond of forced anal play, so if I'm interpreting this correctly, then I will not only need to take extra care with regard to damaging the wall and lining, but also to follow the activity of the rectal muscle so as to not accidentally mess with the vagus response? Just one point of clarification ... is this part of the vagus nerve actually located such that it might get "pinched", or is it "wrapping" the muscle, or simply passing nearby? The former of these would seem harder to deal with. quote: For you, particularly Aswad, I would think you have good general knowledge (based on previous posts) I would never tell anyone to avoid further education though. Thanks for that. Further education will come; always. Just a matter of the ordering. quote: I would be leary of self exploration past "basics" that is going farther up the colon past the rectal vault. I personally don't feel the risks of tears and such are worth it even beyond improper stimulation of the vagal nerve. I'm not inclined to traverse the sigmoid at this point, no. The description I've always heard, with regard to resillience, was "about as strong as a wet paper towel"; better safe than sorry, as such. I'm more inclined to play more with circumference, rhythm, and variations before considering acquiring the skill (from someone who has it; in person) to go further, if I ever will. The variation mentioned above, however, could stimulate the vagus nerve in just the wrong way, depending on its exact location. quote: There have been cases where trying to pass a very hard stool has caused heart failure in some already heart compromised patients. (My mother, also a nurse, witnessed this herself once in her career). Such may have beeen the case with nephandi's mother (a nurse) and grandmother. The latter passed away while attempting to pass stool while the former was waiting nearby to help her get back to the bed. quote: I attempted to find a good online pic of the nerve positioning but failed terribly. Hum. No biggie. I'll dig up an anatomical atlas, or bother a medical student. They always love to show off, unfortunately. About time I get some side benefits from that. [:D]

Aswad -> RE: questions about anal (6/9/2007 11:19:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster I just realized the above might be confusing. The anus is the opening behind the vagina if you're looking at a female face-forward. If you're looking at her face-down, the anus is the opening IN FRONT OF the vagina. This is why you'd say "the anus is dorsal and slightly inferior to the vagina" instead. Some of us, like me, prefer to say that the anus is dorsal and slightly distal. [:D] I leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out the pun.

michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: questions about anal (6/9/2007 11:21:07 PM)
what is the fascination in anal? seems to me that it would be more painful than enjoyable.

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