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Nerves - 5/11/2005 11:50:37 AM

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Heh, i tried to ask this question on AOL (yuck) and got such horrible feedback i havent been back to the aol (bdsm community) since. i now jokingly call the aol take on BDSM to be all feathers and roses. For reasons like when you ask about chastity, they say "Chastity? if i'm not having fun i'm out of there"

i want to know about nerve damange. Temporarily, things to worry about, how long it lasts, ect.

(oh and on aol i was told that one shouldnt use handcuffs because they're unsafe) ack

Because i get alot of nerve damage. The first was from handcuffs, lost partial feeling in my thumb. It eventually came back. The second was in my ear. i lost complete and utter feeling in my ear. i was bit on the neck and well... Then my other ear, lost partial feeling. then it was the last two fingers on my right hand (handcuffs again) Its pretty much come back, they still feel tingly sometimes. (lemme tell you how it was to type! ha) Right now its my right foot, the right side that is numbish. its coming back.

My tongue has numage to it now.

Just wondering how common is this? How to prevent it? As usually i dont know i'm messing with a nerve until its already been messed with. i've pretty much got it down with my wrists though. its the one part of my body that i can feel the metal cutting into my nerve.

And most important, is it a big deal and should i worry about it? Does it come with the territory? Is it an easy thing to do to nerves?

Thanks for all the tips in advance

RE: Nerves - 5/11/2005 12:00:43 PM

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If you are having numbness I would seriously be alarmed.

Nerve DAMAGE is not repairable.

Part of your post sounds like you've had pinched nerves. Over time any nerve that is cut from reciving signals will lose it's ability to receive them.

From what you've shared I would have to ask what kind of play you are engaging in that you are losing feeling/sensation in parts of your body. Your partner could be hitting key trigger points, that is causing this sensation. I would talk with them.

Numbness in limbs is linked to other medical sitauations.

Do you see a chiropracter? Some people believe in them, others do not. I was having some severe problems many years ago that they thought was carpal tunnel. As time went on I couldn't rotate my neck. I went to a chiropracter (very hesitant) and he adjusted me and my hand problems improved tremendously. Your spine could be out of alignment. I would start there - ask friends and family if they recommend someone good. If you do not want to be manually manipulated ask around for a chiro that uses an "activator" (a device to adjust you with out "cracking" you.)

Hope that helps!

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RE: Nerves - 5/11/2005 12:16:08 PM

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Jeez Riot, my gut reaction is to say your Dom needs to be better trained and have a better understanding of the human body in general and yours in particular. Nerve damage is easier to incur than many think. The less adipose tissue a person has the more more likely it will occur. I have never been a fan of handcuffs for play for this very reason, especially the cheap $10 variety sold at variety stores. They are fine to hang from a belt for looks, but hanging a person from them or using them as a primary restraint for play is dangerous.

Any binding can result in nerve damage if it is not monitored. It is the Dom's primary responsibility to constantly monitor the restraints to make sure any restraint near a surface bone is thick enough to spread out the tension. It's the main reason that I prefer good quality wide leather cuffs to narrow metal cuffs or even rope.

Prevention? On your part you have to let your partner know when any extremity is getting cold if he/she is too inexperienced to notice it. Of course this is not easy. Over the years I've seen subs who don't even realize they were injured, in a way not intended, during a scene because they were "spacing". All the more reason you need to trust your Dom to know.

I think that nerve damage can also be cumulative. If you injure a nerve once it's more easily damaged in the future. That may be your problem. There are some types of nerve disease and there are some more serious health issues where numbness is a symptom. If it persists or seems to be occurring outside the consequence of play, you may want to discuss it with a lifestyle sensitive health practitioner.

Take care!

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RE: Nerves - 5/11/2005 12:26:34 PM

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i damaged a nerve on the top part of my foot, it happened from kneeling for a while as i was bound with rope...this was like 3 or 4 months ago i believe, maybe more....i have never fully recovered sensation there.

i'll keep watching this thread for advice.

seeing a doctor, if possible, is probably your best bet....i went to see mine and he had no idea what to do with that.

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RE: Nerves - 5/11/2005 12:36:48 PM

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It usually only happens during a scene. He stopped using handcuffs for awhile because of the numbness in my thumb. Being bit on the left side of the neck left my ear completely and utterly numb (what a wierd feeling). Being bit on the right side let my ear only slightly numb.

Cuffs again with my last two fingers again

Being tighly restrained to a pole with rope did the trick with my foot.

My tonge was biting again. Though it does all seem to come back. My last two fingers are doing tons better. Not fully, but not to where i notice it.

And no, i've never had issues with my nerves before. i've ripped muscles in my neck, i've damaged my back (over and over again), sprained my wrist.. which is mostly all muslce damage. Never had issues with nerves before. One of those things that i know is in my body, but i'm not on close relations with.

and it doesnt ALWAYS feel cold. Like my hand felt hot searing heat. Least thats what i remember. It wasnt cold, that much i know. Mostly it just feels like pain and i never know if its the RIGHT kind of pain or the bad kind. lmao And how do you know if its too much pain? Like the foot. i knew it was uncomfortable.

And when you are restrained, its SUPPOSED to be tight otherwise you arent really restrained. right?

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RE: Nerves - 5/11/2005 12:41:11 PM

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I can't recall anybody I've ever played with complain about numbness, nor have I heard that complaint from people I know. Like the others, I agree, this is serious stuff and you should be checking with a doctor and others about the techniques being used for what ever it is you're doing. Consider this, if it goes numb permanently, it won't be fun to play with any more.

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RE: Nerves - 5/11/2005 12:41:43 PM

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seeing a doctor, if possible, is probably your best bet....i went to see mine and he had no idea what to do with that.

lmao my best bet, but they're gonna have no idea? hee hee i've no clue if they're all FULLY recovered. i mean i hardly pay attention to my ears. Or the part of my thumb that went numb. My fingers i can still feel it, but really its in part of my body that have no bearing on day to day life. Just as long as it DOESNT FEEL wierd. Good lord i hated that thing in my ear. i Couldnt feel, but i could like "hear" the touch. ::icky shiver::

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RE: Nerves - 5/11/2005 12:45:13 PM

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Consider this, if it goes numb permanently, it won't be fun to play with any more.

aye so i should consider having the limit - No biting my vagina?

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RE: Nerves - 5/11/2005 12:54:18 PM

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it doesn't ALWAYS feel cold.

Riot,
I re-read what I posted and realized that the cold reference is misplaced. Any body part cold to the touch is a symptom of circulation being cut off, not nerve issues. Sorry for the confusion, I was trying to cover both bases.

A nerve symptom would be a tingling sensation, or a "pins & needles" feeling. Unfortunately this usually happens AFTER the damage has been incurred or when the nerve is released from restraint. In other words - TOO LATE.

Crimping an extremity in an un-natural position for extended periods causes the problem and should be avoided. Nerves run in little groves in bones. Tension can cause them to come out of the grove. Ongoing or repetitive trauma can inflame the nerve so much that it doesn't fit into the groove as well, subsequently with less trauma you get the same 'tingling' symptom. The feeling of "heat" usually occurs when more serious damage is occuring. The nerves "fire" hoping the body will flee the source of stress.

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RE: Nerves - 5/11/2005 12:57:26 PM

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And when you are restrained, its SUPPOSED to be tight otherwise you arent really restrained. right?

In reading your post my initial response was, "Jaheeze Loueeeze, Noooooo, this DOES NOT come with the territory!!!"

Tight? No. Secure? Yes. Continually checked for safety reasons....

You have already received some good feedback by those that have responded thus far.

I'd like to add that I'm not much of a fan of handcuffs. When I am being manhandled it is to easy to accidentally cause irreparable damage whilst wearing them. And like I once told a dominant, " If you break your "toy" it'll be of little use to you."

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Mercnbeth
Jeez Riot, my gut reaction is to say your Dom needs to be better trained and have a better understanding of the human body in general and yours in particular.

My reaction, as well....

It is of my opinion there are some really unsafe practices occurring here. Please take heed........

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RE: Nerves - 5/11/2005 1:21:01 PM

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Ha

this isnt what i wanted to hear. What about the tip of my tongue? There's no bone there! Aye and it has that slightly tingly, numish, but sore feeling.

Continually checked for safety reasons... How does one check if a nerve is being too tightly secured? Check for tingly feeling? As for circulation, i think i pretty much know that one. Short trips of cut off circulation is okay, but long term is not. i know theres more too it. When its okay and when its bad, but at the moment i cant put my finger on it.

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RE: Nerves - 5/11/2005 1:38:14 PM

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I would look up "fibromyaliga".

Do you feel like this at other times or only when playing?

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RE: Nerves - 5/11/2005 2:40:37 PM

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aye so i should consider having the limit - No biting my vagina?

What about the other parts you mentioned going numb?

As someone who has had her livelihood threatened by pinched nerves and herniated disks I would strongly suggest you see a neurologist if this is all happening not only during play. Since a chiroquacker only made my condition worse, I would recommend physical therapy, it was great! A neurologist would refer you to one.

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RE: Nerves - 5/11/2005 3:37:02 PM

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you mentioned that you hurt your back really bad at one time, this could be the source of the problem, where do you think the nerves somewhat start at or connect at, in the back along the spine, when you damaged the back muscles you may have done some other damage that wasn't picked up at the time and is now showing itself, and yes you should see the dr. for it and have it checked out. And as for your tongue, how hard was it biten? When you accicently bite your own tongue it hurts like h*** and can be numb for a few days afterwards, and that is biting it yourself on accident, imagine someone else biting it and not realizing how hard they are biting it, it could last for several days that way. But numbness and pain are the body's way of saying, "wake up something isn't right here", I too am pretty much in touch with my body and when I can't figure out what's up with it I go to the dr. to find out and I don't go just for anything, it has to be pretty serious or not pass in a couple of days. Otherwise you will have to modify your play and so will your partners unless you like feeling this way all the time.

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RE: Nerves - 5/11/2005 4:07:46 PM

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And when you are restrained, its SUPPOSED to be tight otherwise you arent really restrained. right?

In reading your post my initial response was, "Jaheeze Loueeeze, Noooooo, this DOES NOT come with the territory!!!"

I concur, mental bondage is also bondage. Telling one to stay in position without bonds. Or with few bonds.
I also agree that once one has nerve damange it usually cannot be repaired. Heat and cold are both signs. The numbness.
I think it is good advice to go see a doctor. It will probably take a while before they can diagnose you but there are drugs out there that can considerably help.

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RE: Nerves - 5/11/2005 4:39:02 PM

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lmao my best bet, but they're gonna have no idea? hee hee i've no clue if they're all FULLY recovered. i mean i hardly pay attention to my ears. Or the part of my thumb that went numb. My fingers i can still feel it, but really its in part of my body that have no bearing on day to day life.

I think what you mean to say is, "at this *moment* those body parts have no bearing on day-to-day life." Two reasons I can think of off the top of my head as to why "loss of sensation" *anywhere* on your body is bad.

1) You might change your mind later, and want to be able to feel a touch on that spot. (From a pet, child, other Dom, whatever)
2) A loss of tactile(?) signals from a body part makes it extremely difficult to know when you have damaged/injured that part in everyday life, especially if you are not used to constantly monitoring and examining that part. Untended wounds of that type can lead to fun things like gangrene and limb amputations, which are probably not outcomes desired by you.

And while we're on the subject of "outcomes", you should probably make your partner aware that his current style/technique of Play is causing (possibly non-reversible) neurological damage to your body, and to continue his/her style without modification could lead to undesired side-effects, i.e., your death...

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RE: Nerves - 5/11/2005 5:07:42 PM

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I would look up "fibromyaliga".

Do you feel like this at other times or only when playing?

well i dont "feel" like that at all. Usually always tired (prolly anemic) and memory issues (too much partying) but no "tender spots"

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What about the other parts you mentioned going numb?

they've all got a situation behind them.

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happening not only during play

no other nerve issues.

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yes you should see the dr. for it

i've need to see a doc for my back since i was 10 years old. But it works now, pretty well, doesnt give me much issue so one of these days when i get around to it. - )

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And as for your tongue, how hard was it biten?

i dont know, i didnt bite it. but it was bitten twice. = )

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I concur, mental bondage is also bondage. Telling one to stay in position without bonds. Or with few bonds

Very very very true. One we are working on. i have managed to stay in place with the whip, but the cane its all i can do not to drop to my knees and hug his legs. lmao. i have begged Master for restraint when he takes the cane out. i am learning.... and i will eventually succed to needing no restraint.

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RE: Nerves - 5/12/2005 4:52:16 PM

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Big deal.. please contact your dr. or seek out a kink friendly physician and see what options you have..

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RE: Nerves - 5/13/2005 8:01:50 AM

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Nerve damage can be permenent. I dislocated my shoulder, and it was out of place for 2 hours. i couildnt feel my deltoid muscle for 6-8 months. If you are feeling tingling after the episode that means that the nerves are regenretaing. It should beel as though someone is stabbling you with a very thin needle, as well as insane itching. If you feel numbness without any other sensations, check with a doctor.
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RE: Nerves - 5/18/2005 11:00:48 AM

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Go see a doctor as soon as you can!!

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