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TheHeretic -> The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 9:51:42 AM)

       I've had a strange thought this morning, reading the 'US troops are terrorists' thread.  It could be a result of neglecting to buy coffee when I went for the steaks and corn yesterday, but it's been percolating longer than that.

     Could it be that those who are perfectly willing to denigrate and attack this country and administration at every opportunity, to spout filth about our troops in the field, are in fact the most convinced of the automatic superiority of the American Way?  The most confident of our invincibility?  The most optimistic that freedom is inevitable?

       They must believe us to be so powerful as to go to war as a divided nation.  They must believe our triumph so inevitable that they can casually help the enemy propaganda campaign.  They must believe so deeply in the universal truth of our values that it doesn't matter that the enemy despises them.

     How unshakeable must their faith be to wail about the ones we catch needing lawyers, while refusing to acknowledge what the enemy does to captives?


      Or are they just completely fucking ignorant?




pahunkboy -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 10:06:29 AM)

its in jesus hands. [im quoting my neighbor]

do youself a fvor and grab ur coffee....




Level -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 10:12:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

      I've had a strange thought this morning, reading the 'US troops are terrorists' thread.  It could be a result of neglecting to buy coffee when I went for the steaks and corn yesterday, but it's been percolating longer than that.

    Could it be that those who are perfectly willing to denigrate and attack this country and administration at every opportunity, to spout filth about our troops in the field, are in fact the most convinced of the automatic superiority of the American Way?  The most confident of our invincibility?  The most optimistic that freedom is inevitable?

      They must believe us to be so powerful as to go to war as a divided nation.  They must believe our triumph so inevitable that they can casually help the enemy propaganda campaign.  They must believe so deeply in the universal truth of our values that it doesn't matter that the enemy despises them.

    How unshakeable must their faith be to wail about the ones we catch needing lawyers, while refusing to acknowledge what the enemy does to captives?


     Or are they just completely fucking ignorant?


A lot of times, it's the "fucking ignorance", or willful blindness, Rich. There are exceptions, and there is good and bad, right and wrong, to be found on all sides. Now I have to go find this thread...... can't promise I'll read much of it lol.




philosophy -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 10:21:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
      They must believe us to be so powerful as to go to war as a divided nation.  They must believe our triumph so inevitable that they can casually help the enemy propaganda campaign.  They must believe so deeply in the universal truth of our values that it doesn't matter that the enemy despises them.
(my italics)

...another possibility is that those voices feel that those honourable cultural values are being betrayed by a shameful war. That dosn't make them ignorant, just people in a free country with an opposing view to yours. Shouldn't you, as a real patriot, be treating these people as patriots also...albeit ones with a different interpretation of patriotism from yours? After all, by such condemnations, aren't you opposing their use of free speech?




juliaoceania -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 10:27:10 AM)

quote:

I've had a strange thought this morning, reading the 'US troops are terrorists' thread.  It could be a result of neglecting to buy coffee when I went for the steaks and corn yesterday, but it's been percolating longer than that.

    Could it be that the jews who are perfectly willing to denigrate and attack this country and administration at every opportunity, to spout filth about our troops in the field, are in fact the most convinced of the automatic superiority of the German Way?  The most confident of our invincibility?  The most optimistic that freedom is inevitable?

      The Jews must believe us to be so powerful as to go to war as a divided nation.  The Jews must believe our triumph so inevitable that they can casually help the enemy propaganda campaign.  The Jews must believe so deeply in the universal truth of our values that it doesn't matter that the enemy despises them.

    How unshakeable must The Jewish faith be to wail about the ones we catch needing lawyers, while refusing to acknowledge what the enemy does to captives?


     Or are the Jews just completely fucking ignorant?


I played with your little speech just to have fun..and enlarged the especially ironic parts[:D]




farglebargle -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 10:37:06 AM)

Thx, jo! That cracks me up! Jew Madlibs!

TheHeretic,

I pointed out in another thread that those who wear our uniform and flag have the highest duty to avoid any dishonor of that flag, and this nation.

If a military has SGTs who do not immediately shoot dead a squad of men who he learns are planning a gang-rape/murder of a 14 year old girl, but instead JOINS THEM, is it worth of any respect?

If the Military does not try and execute these animals with the quickest dispatch, are they worthy of respect?

If you sentence the SGT to 100 years in prison, isn't all this just a joke?







juliaoceania -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 10:37:31 AM)

I would like to add, where is that thread? I have not seen it.... perhaps you could link to it?




farglebargle -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 10:38:45 AM)

It was the murtha/traitor thing going on. I touched on it...

Perhaps the issue of the lack of Honor of our Military, and it's effects on the support they can expect should be treated in an essay.

I've not got the time for it currently.





juliaoceania -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 10:40:42 AM)

quote:

I pointed out in another thread that those who wear our uniform and flag have the highest duty to avoid any dishonor of that flag, and this nation.


Well they swear to uphold and defend the constitution, so one would think that they should honor that oath, yes... and be held to a higher standard of behavior too. Most of the troops do in fact take that oath rather seriously by the time they are trained... a few bad apples reflect bad on the whole... that is why they need to police themselves.

It is like police officers that keep quiet and protect each other. It leads to mass corruption, even of the good ones unfortunately...




farglebargle -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 10:43:37 AM)

You know, we *are* talking about high-school, and jr. college aged kids for the most part.






Level -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 10:44:58 AM)

General comment:
 
I would hope that those upset with Murtha would have been at least as angry at what was done to former Senator Max Cleland.




juliaoceania -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 10:50:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

You know, we *are* talking about high-school, and jr. college aged kids for the most part.






I did not know that honor and morals was an age dependent thing.

quote:

 
ORIGINAL: 
Level
 
General comment:
 
I would hope that those upset with Murtha would have been at least as angry at what was done to former Senator Max Cleland.



 
I was also bent out of shape when Bush ran against John McCain on the "he is slightly nuts from being a POW" platform...




pahunkboy -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 11:01:07 AM)

julia- ouch.  your highlighting stunt is something i might have done.

how do i summarize   the above?    these 2 peoples have fought for centuries.  bloodshed on either side is a sad thing.

having dealt with hard core factions of each side- IMO they both carry enuff blame.

the mideast conflict wont be solved in our lifetime.

dare i say, give peace a chance???   whoopzy- i guess not.




Real0ne -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 11:15:11 AM)

ok so where is this thread hiding?




slaveluci -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 11:20:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
ok so where is this thread hiding?
i think maybe Rich is referring to this thread:
 
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1035817/tm.htm

luci




Real0ne -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 11:26:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveluci

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
ok so where is this thread hiding?
i think maybe Rich is referring to this thread:
 
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1035817/tm.htm

luci




woah!  LOL   is there a clip i wonder?





slaveluci -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 11:30:38 AM)

A clip of Rosie saying the troops are terrorists?  i don't think she ever actually said as much.  She inferred it by indicating the number of dead Iraqi's and then saying something like "who are really the terrorists?"  It was all over the news stations when she was arguing with little Lizzie about it.  i'm sure there are clips somewhere........luci




Real0ne -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 11:40:24 AM)

Kool so how patriotic is this:

Bush makes power grab
Posted: May 23, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

President Bush, without so much as issuing a press statement, on May 9 signed a directive that granted near dictatorial powers to the office of the president in the event of a national emergency declared by the president.

The "National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive," with the dual designation of NSPD-51, as a National Security Presidential Directive, and HSPD-20, as a Homeland Security Presidential Directive, establishes under the office of president a new National Continuity Coordinator.

That job, as the document describes, is to make plans for "National Essential Functions" of all federal, state, local, territorial, and tribal governments, as well as private sector organizations to continue functioning under the president's directives in the event of a national emergency.

The directive loosely defines "catastrophic emergency" as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."

When the president determines a catastrophic emergency has occurred, the president can take over all government functions and direct all private sector activities to ensure we will emerge from the emergency with an "enduring constitutional government."
Translated into layman's terms, when the president determines a national emergency has occurred, the president can declare to the office of the presidency powers usually assumed by dictators to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over.

Rosie is all over the news and they quietly pilfer this through!  NOT a word from the press!

We now have all the frame work for a dictatorship slipped into place and ready to go on the next little problem that they wish to label a "disaster"...   What happened to that oath of office?   You know the one that is supposed to PROTECT the constitution not rip it down?

Why dont we compare patriotism to NSPD-51 and HSPD-20? 

i think Rosie has misplaced anger, its not those who have no power but those giving the orders.

Why even bother with the legislative or judicial branches any moe?  Just let ole gw make ALL the decisions!!!




slaveluci -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 12:12:59 PM)

Actually, i think the thread Rich referred to is the "Political Hypocrisy 101" thread right here in the Off Topic section........luci




TheHeretic -> RE: The Greatest Patriots? (5/28/2007 12:28:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

I've had a strange thought this morning, reading the 'US troops are terrorists' thread.  It could be a result of neglecting to buy coffee when I went for the steaks and corn yesterday, but it's been percolating longer than that.

   Could it be that the jews who are perfectly willing to denigrate and attack this country and administration at every opportunity, to spout filth about our troops in the field, are in fact the most convinced of the automatic superiority of the German Way?  The most confident of our invincibility?  The most optimistic that freedom is inevitable?

     The Jews must believe us to be so powerful as to go to war as a divided nation.  The Jews must believe our triumph so inevitable that they can casually help the enemy propaganda campaign.  The Jews must believe so deeply in the universal truth of our values that it doesn't matter that the enemy despises them.

   How unshakeable must The Jewish faith be to wail about the ones we catch needing lawyers, while refusing to acknowledge what the enemy does to captives?


    Or are the Jews just completely fucking ignorant?


I played with your little speech just to have fun..and enlarged the especially ironic parts[:D]



       Never figured you for a rascist Julia.  Or are you just trying to deflect an uncomfortable assertion into a baseless accusation that I am?

      This is right up there with your idea that protesters burning an American flag were right-wing infiltrators....




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