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same song second verse - 6/5/2004 8:15:12 AM   
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i've sort of asked this before, but still don't have it straight in my mind.
In a situation where You are meeting a sub for the first time, do You require sexual intercourse from her? If so, what is the lure of casual sex with a stranger? Do Dommes act the same way? Do Dommes have vaginal sex with male subs on the first "date"?

i have a lot of baggage associated with this question. i might as well tell it up front even tho i'm quite sure it will derail the entire train of thought. my first BDSM session was with someone i met thru alt dot com. He and i talk via email and the phone for weeks before meeting, and then finally setting a date to play. Of course, He thought sex should be a part of it from the get go. i hadn't had sex with anyone other than my spouse for over 20 years. i was amprehensive about it and talked Him into waiting until the relationship had prgressed. In session after He'd paddled me a half a dozen times and i was cuffed and floating in 'subspace', he fucked me anyway. Since then i don't let myself get too carried away during session. And i don't have sex with them, either!

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RE: same song second verse - 6/5/2004 8:29:12 AM   
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Midear Dixie-

Short answer- NO.

I was at a local scene event last night (the 'meet&greet' for the Long Island Fetish Event [LIFE] which is tonight), and someone brought up this very topic.

For starters, I am actually a bit picky about who I fuck, and beyond that, the when and where, to some exent. In a first session, it may happen. Or not.

I do find an upfront expectation of it rather silly, and if I am half as good as I'm supposed to be, by the end of the session, I could suggest sawing a nippple off with a butterknife, and she'll agree, so I do tend to take 'consent' with a grain of salt.

On the other hand, I am a bit picky about who I work with, and I am working in private with someone, it's likely that I find them sexually attractive.

I guess that's a long answer for a 'maybe'

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RE: same song second verse - 6/5/2004 8:33:36 AM   
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If you do have intercourse on the first meeting it certainly should be consensual or it is rape. When i first met my first r/l Dom i hadn't had intercourse with anyone but hubby for 34 years. After talking in a restaurant for a long time we went to a park and talked and made out in the car, and it was going so well we then got a motel room, but it was what we BOTH wanted.

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RE: same song second verse - 6/5/2004 8:35:27 AM   
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dixiedumpling
I am a Mistress of slaves
I do not have intercourse with My
slaves.
If you said no to intercourse and He
did it anyhow He is not a Dominant
whom follows the S. S. C. rules and
He broke the law. Did you have a
contract listing this as a Hard limit
untill you felt comfortable with Him
to go this far? If not when sumone
says NO to intercourse and that NO
is not listened to ITS CALLED RAPE
FILE CHARGES. JMO

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RE: same song second verse - 6/5/2004 9:00:43 AM   
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Little dumpling:

I generally advise submissives under my protection NEVER to have sex on their first meeting. If a "dom" takes exception to this, his credentials are in serious doubt.

Further I recommend that your first meeting be in a vanilla, public venue, such as a coffee house or in a quiet restaurant, where you can talk freely. Do not go home with the guy, do not let him follow you home. DO NOT meet at a hotel!!!

If either of you are looking for quick, anonymous sex, visit a swing party, but not together. There are too many flakes on Alt.com. We do not need to encourage this pattern by facilitating their activities.

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RE: same song second verse - 6/5/2004 11:13:01 AM   
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In the scenario you described, it sounds like he raped you. I didn't see any mention of consent there at all.

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RE: same song second verse - 6/5/2004 1:01:56 PM   
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Sir,
my mind prefers to think of it as being manipulated into it. as for reporting it... let's see... the officer's pen would be poised above his notebook and he would be saying, "you went with him willingly and removed your clothes willingly and you're trying to tell me it wasn't consentual?" it was a learning experience.

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RE: same song second verse - 6/5/2004 3:44:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dixiedumpling
... "you went with him willingly and removed your clothes willingly and you're trying to tell me it wasn't consentual?" it was a learning experience.

Thousands of scenarios exist daily in which a female is consensually present with a male while undressed. No sexual intercourse is understood simply as a matter of ethics in many, while in others it is simple common sense, and forbidden by agreement or contract in yet others. In a civil context, our parents taught us that the absence of an agreed upon "yes" essentially constitutes a "no".

For instance, with a general understanding of "no consent", should:
- a nude model be fucked by the photographer without consent?
- an erotic dancer be fucked by a viewer without consent?
- a patient be fucked by a physician without consent?
- a nudist be fucked by a fellow nudist without consent?

Incidents of sexual intercourse which occur without mutual consent... by act or manner, are in fact rape. Of course the circumstances you described would be embarrassing to explain, making a rape victim much less likely to pursue the filing of charges. This aspect makes the BDSM lifestyle a good hunting ground for unethicals and predators.

Con artists surround us, but only you can let them get you into a compromising position. I hope the lesson you mentioned is in fact that, a lesson about trust. Regardless of what you agree upon, if the other in agreement breaks your trust the agreement becomes null, and it's all "ad lib" from there.

Perhaps in a broader sense you could look at what made you agree to session on the first date? You are allowing yourself to be naked, bound and paddled into subspace by someone you never saw before that day. That's operating pretty fast, and you must ask yourself if the desperation he showed by his actions may perhaps also exist on your side of the fence.

It is often mentioned here on the board that "trust is earned", but it's also mentioned that "trust is not given". Did he earn your trust, or did you simply give it to him? I'm definitely not defending him or his actions, or condoning them in any way, but I must request that you indeed ask yourself the question above, of your trust.

Is it normal for a dominant to expect sexual intercourse on the first date/meet?
Typically no, but then again... no two dominants are alike. Most would agree that patience is a good quality in a dominant, and demanding to fuck someone the first time you meet them is not a good example of patience... more liking to desperation.

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RE: same song second verse - 6/5/2004 5:46:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dixiedumpling

In a situation where You are meeting a sub for the first time, do You require sexual intercourse from her? If so, what is the lure of casual sex with a stranger? Do Dommes act the same way? Do Dommes have vaginal sex with male subs on the first "date"?



I can't speak for other dommes, but I can speak for this one.

No.

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RE: same song second verse - 6/5/2004 6:20:35 PM   
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I understand your point dixie. It still doesn't change what he did, but you are probably right that the law wouldn't charge him.
As for your question, if you are talking about the first meeting where any play takes place, I do expect that there will be some kind of sex involved. But if the woman made clear that she didn't want to, I would never force her to. This applies even if we had discussed beforehand that there would be sex.

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RE: same song second verse - 6/5/2004 6:52:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dixiedumpling

Sir,
my mind prefers to think of it as being manipulated into it. as for reporting it... let's see... the officer's pen would be poised above his notebook and he would be saying, "you went with him willingly and removed your clothes willingly and you're trying to tell me it wasn't consentual?" it was a learning experience.



yes.
if AT ANY POINT the woman or man decides he or she no longer wants to have sex, and if their partner does not desist, it is rape.

one can be mid-intercours and withdraw consent.

if you did not want what happend to happen, and if you in -any- way said you didn't want it to happen, your parnter has raped you.

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RE: same song second verse - 6/5/2004 6:59:31 PM   
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quote:

If you said no to intercourse and He
did it anyhow He is not a Dominant
whom follows the S. S. C. rules and
He broke the law.


I agree with this 100%, and this sentence contains the essence of why I wear a big padded suit and get kicked in the head.

On a similar vein, my ex-wife met a guy for coffee, went back to his house, was beaten up rather savagely and raped. She figured this was the way the lifestyle was supposed to be.

I tried to indicate that this was not my impression, and the whole S.S.C. speech, but she indicated I was wrong so I made sure her life insurance was paid up and moved on.

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RE: same song second verse - 6/6/2004 5:23:33 AM   
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I completely agree...and don't consider it the "fun" kind of rape, either.

I usually don't meet someone until I have "known" him for a pretty long while through chatting, telephone conversations, etc. Honestly, if I make a decision to meet, I quite likely will have sex with the guy...Clinton's definition, my definition, Webster's...whoever...laughs....

However, I usually won't meet anyone in person for at LEAST six months. By that time, I have either figured them out pretty well, or decided I don't want to. I have to have an emotional connection to enter the Dom/sub relationship, and I actually prefer a loving, monogomous relationship - I just don't see anything better. I have had a very few Dominants that I have enjoyed just playing with for fun, including sex/intercourse - usually because we both had a certain interest we wanted to pursue.

I have digressed...bottom line is that I don't mind the sex on the first meeting, and often desire it...it's just that the first meeting comes way down the line for me.




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RE: same song second verse - 6/6/2004 7:58:59 AM   
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Dixie,

This is my opinion. Maybe 7 years of so ago. Well about 8 my Dom of ten years released me. He was military being transferred a long ways away. He wanted to get married. I knew he was not the right one to marry. I asked for release.
Which left me searching. I negotiated with well over a thousand alledged Dominants at one time or another within a 2 year time span.

Several were like the one you described.

The worst one was in the navy. He told me flat out, if we met in person I was going to drop to my knees and suck him off right there and then. I naturally told him no it was not going to happen.
He insisted. Anyway he came up from San Diego. I still remember seeing that red car pull up. My favorite place to meet was a well known park. People I knew always hung out there when I wanted to meet someone.

Anyway we sat at a picnic table about 5 minutes into the meeting he goes on with his stupid little speech. You will get on your knees and suck me off.
Having told him prior. It is my way until submission. It is my way until I feel safe. I had no problem curling my hand up into a fist and breaking his nose right then and there.
He is the only jackass I ever met that I had to go that far with.

After he went to the hospital and went home. He even called me and told me he had learned patience and would wait as long as I wished. I never heard from him after that day.

So, rape is what you call it. If you feel violated then yes he did rape you. If you don't then he did'nt.

Thats why much groups are so good. You can meet with safety if you don't have any friends within the scene to back you up.

It sounds to me you learned a valuable lesson. One hopefully not to be repeated. I'm not trying to downplay your instance at all. Although when we have nobody but ourselves to protect us we need to step up and do it.

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RE: same song second verse - 6/6/2004 1:06:35 PM   
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As i feared, my "confession" just about derailed everyone's train of thought. As far as "knowing" someone, how well do we ever really know anyone? I went to school with folks who dated the same person all through school, hurried through college so they could marry them. And then within months, knew they had made a huge mistake. Or someone goes crazy and shoots up the town. Their neighbors always say what a nice person they were and they just don't understand it.

This is my conclusion. i know Y/you'll correct me if i'm wrong. For male Doms and female subs, sex is part of the domination. It's an ingrained part of the 'show'. Doms use sex as part of Their bag of 'toys' to use and humiliate the sub. For female Dommes and male subs, sex is a reward. Something reserved for when the sub is especially pleasing.

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RE: same song second verse - 6/6/2004 5:54:33 PM   
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Im sorry dixie but I must interject here about your pride and predudice
you are worried about the police officer whom is going to take your words of a Man whom invaded your space with out your permission first off and then you are worried because you happened to have choose to be in a hotel room with him and undressed with him and even with out concent assume that this in its self is concered a wrong act, which it is not but let Me ask you sumthing and you think on this carefully. While you are here worried about your pride and predudice how many other woman are out there or even men whom are being duped into a hotel room to undress and then be RAPED by this Man? Think about this one a moment. Preditors run ramped in Our BDSM World and why?? because there are so many whom tempt to change Our saftey nets in place for many years by the watered down rules and proticals that We whom have been in this lifestyle so many years have not only had drilled into Our pea brains for so long by those Lifestylers befor Us but have tried Our best to do the same to the New Guard type of folks whom think this is sumthing that can be simply regaurded and then shamed out of with ones pride when they are used and abused and thrown away by the wanna be preditors whom think they can continue to get away with what they did because Well sumone is worried about what a police officer will say because they were dupped into taking their clothes off in a hotel room, and well by GOSH that is WAYYYYYYY MORE WORSE then thinking about the many other woman or men whom might of came befor you or after you or even whom the next victum of this Man is gonna be.........hmmmmm dare I say he couldent find a submissive woman this day so maybe he seen the next door little boy playing in the front yard.. hmmmm I wonder how good his persuasion skills would be with a little boy if they are as good with a grown woman ;.....hmmmmmm am I getting way to grouse here now?? dare I GO ON.......[stares straight in the eyes of dixie]

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RE: same song second verse - 6/6/2004 5:55:58 PM   
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please excuse My sterness here Masters
and for being in Your area but I just cannot
let sum things slide..........

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RE: same song second verse - 6/6/2004 7:08:27 PM   
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Dixie,
I know many people within the scene. Most of them never have sex with their submissives. Only those in committed relationships do. A Dominate could use sex for humiliation or anything else. I don't know of any myself that I've come across.

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RE: same song second verse - 6/6/2004 7:21:08 PM   
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A WELL KNOWN STORY IN BDSM CIRCLES THAT TEACHES A HARD LEARNED LESSON.THIS IS A TRUE LIFE STORY.

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Cold as Ice--Her Story©all rights reserved 1995-2003© posted with written permission to Dread™®© Inc. 2002

My nickname on Chat is Cold as Ice1. I am 38 years old. I have a family consisting of three children and three step children. The older two step children do not live with me but I was very close to them. Living at home are my three children. Lisa is 19. Shelley is 13 and Daniel is 7. My step daughter 18 also lives with us. I also take care of my father. Although in the conventional manner of speaking I am still married; I live with my husband we have not had a typical marriage in the past year and a half.
When I started on Prodigy in February of 1994 I was new to the computer world. I was very busy taking care of many people. I was a girlscout leader. Two of my children have emotional problems and one a physical problem. I was at the school volunteering or at meetings. I was taking care of my dad's household also by paying his bills doing his shopping, laundry, taking him to the doctors etc. I was also the person to call at 3:00am in the morning when someone had a problem. I guess what I am trying to say is that I was Betty Crocker to the max. I devoted my life to others. Even through all this I was very lonely inside. I felt loved as a mom, friend, sister, daughter but not as a woman. I was 350lbs and didn't take very good care of myself.
When I started playing on the computer it was so different. I would go on the bulletin boards in the weight loss section and go to the pets bulletin boards. I started to lose weight and joined a weight loss group who had a bulletin board through prodigy. Then a friend told me about chat.
I first started in Chat searching around going from room to room. I couldn't believe some of the rooms. I didn't know whether to be shocked, insulted or just go with the flow. I soon found the Big Beautiful Women's room. It was fun and before I knew it I was having the old cyber sex. I don't know why but hey it wasn't pigging out and eating. I don't know about all of you but I never found it very stimulating. I then went on to phone sex. I didn't think anything was wrong with it after all I wasn't doing anything unsafe. I didn't think I was cheating cause it wasn't in person.
Anyway I was having cyber-phone with some guy and it seemed that I was always the one on my knees serving him. He said to me why don't you go to the D/s rooms. D/s what the heck is that I asked him. He said go there and find out. I had never heard of D/s S&M or anything like that. I ventured on over there and met (cyber only) my first Dom. I was cyber-collared from him and learning from step one. I would ask his permission to come into the room. I wouldn't even talk in the room unless he ordered me to. When I first found out he had another sub I was heart-broken and cried. We talked on the phone and he told me that I had to learn a lot about D/s. I have always been pretty stubborn and asked to be released. Through the months I learned, and trudged along through cyber/phone Master after Master. I had so many tears I couldn't tell you. All these over some people I had never met. I met people through chat but only as friends. I continued to lose weight and felt very wanted and desired by these cyber Masters even though I hadn't met them.
I fought with other subs over Masters as Vampy can well attest to. I also judged people I had no right to judge. I also became very addicted to Chat. I was letting my house go. My bills and credit were being ruined. I had five accounts and bills in the hundreds. I also was not getting any sleep. My husband would come home to me at the computer, go to sleep with me at the computer and wake up with me at the computer. I didn't cook very much and it was all I could do to get my kids ready for school. I justified my actions by saying I have been doing for everyone for years and now it is my time to do for me. I blamed my lack of caring for my husband on him. I would tell him things like "well I warned you for years that if you didn't make me feel like a woman I would cross the line and it would be too late."
I started to go out to bars with friends. I was looking good. I started taking to good care of myself getting my nails done, having my hair done and buying new clothes. I was feeling for the first time in 13 years wanted and desired as a woman. I would wait on Chat for hours at a time just for my Master at the time to come on. Even if it was for just a few minutes. Coming on to Chat was the highlight of my life. My heart would actually race as the modem kicked in and I couldn't wait to enter the room.
In September I decided to put my opinions where my mouth was and to have a real session with a Dom. I met him and had a wonderful and SAFE totally S&M Session. He did not want to collar me because he felt he couldn't put into a Master sub relationship what he felt was needed for a bond. I was heartbroken feeling that I didn't please him. Now I totally understand where he was coming from. But I thought at least I tried it real-time and I liked it.



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After that I was approached by a Master who said that he was in the scene for over 20 years and was looking for a sub and knew I wasn't collared. We were not that far away from each other. He lived and worked about 45 minutes away from me. We eventually met and had a session. It was also safe. He wanted to collar me but I had hopes of being collared by the first Dom that sessioned me. This new Master doted on me he was firm and really seemed to know what he was doing. He would take me to dinner and go places with me. In the beginning couple of weeks things were purely straight and safe S&M.
There is a lot more to this but I can not get into it at this time. It is just too painful. After a couple of weeks of seeing him and talking to him both on the phone and the computer I agreed to be collared. From there on things got sexual and not safe. I didn't question him after all he was the Master although when first meeting him he told me he was married and when asked told me he didn't have AIDs or any sexually transmitted disease. He did tell me that he had had Hepatitis B but that he was not catchy. I didn't question him after all he was the Master. I never would question a Master. Peter {Lord Laurant} can attest to my seriousness in S&M.
I did not stop calling him or any Master Sir until a year ago. By the time my Master progressed to unsafe S&M practices and sex I was totally committed to him and could not imagine even living without him. You see most of us know that it is not the physical Domming that makes the bond, it is the emotional Domming.
I was Dommed hook line and sinker. I felt wonderful knowing that I was wanted, appreciated and I loved the attention he gave me. I would do anything to please him. Unfortunately pleasing him meant very sadistic practices. I totally trusted him and can not tell you what a hold this man had over me. He knew the right things to say and through it all I still believe that he loved me. Our S&M practices were now what I can call bizarre I can not go into this also as it is to painful for me. Besides I don't think people still believe that I was whipped over 500 times in a single session. I know this because I counted. I was taken to an S&M Club where I was whipped, caned, cropped, beaten till I bled. I would have large blood clots on my breasts. I felt happy that I pleased him. I thought I was a great sub. Lioness can attest to this as she stopped a scene that Master was doing with me out of concern for me. Lord Laurent can also attest to this as he saw me Dommed and expressed his concern to me. He told me when I was being Dommed I was not even there and I wasn't -I was in another place.
I was in the frame of mind that nothing could stop me from pleasing Master and I would endure anything. He told me that what Master had just done to me was not being Dommed it was being abused. I felt like the good sub when I told Master this. He told me that people just didn't understand that there were different levels of S&M and we were just hard core and that I should be proud that I could endure what their subs could not. I was proud.
Master would call me at 1:30 in the morning--he worked nights and have me drive almost an hour to rub his feet for 45 minutes on his dinner break. I would drive back home after that. What did I get in return--the pride of knowing I pleased him. The pride of knowing that I was real-time and not cyber. Besides we also did vanilla things like go to dinner or movies. Of course I paid most of the time. I also was becoming a very respected sub on- line and that was very important to me. Masters would tell me they wished I was their sub. I now realise in a sick way this was all making me feel good and important.
In February of 95 I started to feel sick. I went to the doctor and to make a long story short I found out I had HepB. I was upset and scared. The hardest thing was having to have all my children and husband have blood tests for HepB. They all came back negative but had to have three shots each. I had to eat out of paper plates and couldn't kiss my own children. I felt like a leper. My selfishness had caused my children to suffer. Watching my son cry knowing he had to have a shot and knowing it was because of me is something that brings tears to me even now. I thought it could not get any worse. I was so sick. I had a rash and the highest temperature of my life.
I still went to my Master. I still rubbed his feet for hours. I still pleased him. I remember running a high fever with a bladder infection so bad I was bleeding. It didn't stop him from the fisting or the whippings.
About two weeks after the HepB diagnosis Master told me he had a terminal illness and that was why he was having a hard time leaving his wife. He felt he owed her something. I asked what that illness was and he finally told me he had HIV. I will remember this day as if it was today.
Riding in the car with him and him telling me this. My whole body rushed out just like you see in a movie where everything zooms in on you. I was crying and quite hysterical. I told him he lied to me and he said no I didn't you asked me if I had AIDS and no one has ever said I have AIDS...they say I have HIV and that doesn't mean I have AIDS. He told me he loved me and that was important.
Then he brought me to a hotel room and Dommed me. I cried the whole time but I just couldn't hate him. I justified it by saying that if I had HIV he would not leave me. He promised I could take care of him and that he would take care of me.
After we left and I was alone in my car I called my husband on the car phone. I was still hysterical I told him what Jack had told me. He is a very caring person and although he knew I was seeing Jack he still allowed me to stay because he was hoping it was just a phase I was going through.
The next day I called the health department. I was so upset they had a doctor come to my home to talk to me. He got me tested the next day. I had to wait a week of hell to find out if I was positive. Even if I showed negative there would be no guarantee because you can test neg. up to six months after your last sexual contact. The people at the health department didn't think I could handle the diagnosis either way and decided the only way I was to know is if my medical doctor told me.
I could hardly get out of bed I was so upset. I had to tell my oldest what was happening. A week to the day...March 14, 1995 my doctor called and said she had an emergency at the hospital and could I meet her in the emergency room. My husband and I went. They finally called me in. She wasted no time and said we had some bad news from the health department.
You are HIV+.
As she told me my therapist walked in and so did a nurse with a shot. I was on the floor at this time. I was put on a stretcher and remember crying and telling a nurse I was only lonely. I didn't mean for all this to happen and I don't want to die. The nurse gave me another shot with tears coming down her face. I will never forget that.
I was brought to another hospital by ambulance and put in a mental ward. I was on a suicide watch as I didn't want to live knowing this. The next three weeks were pretty much a blur. I do know that my family was overwrought and so was I just knowing that I brought this on to them.
Where was Master through this all ...well we talked on the phone. He reassured me that he would be there for me and that I was a good sub and he loved me. He wouldn't come see me because he knew my family wanted to kill him and I think if they had their chance they would of. I was transferred to another hospital where he did come see me once.
Everyone including my doctors couldn't understand why I had no anger toward this man. They don't understand the power that a Top has over a sub. I think this was the hardest thing for my family to deal with. Why no anger? People who didn't even know me before all this couldn't understand this.
Well I got out of the hospital and soon I was seeing Jack regularly again. Yes he told his wife and even left her for awhile but he started to become sick. He gave me numbers of people to call and even brought me to the AIDS center where he went. His wife was a nurse he said and knew how to care for him. He went back to his wife and I went back to the hospital by force.
You see when he went back to her he told me he loved me but that he didn't have to much time left. That if we were together and he died he didn't think my family would take me back. He promised to take care of my children financially as he did from the beginning. I flipped out again and intended to kill myself where we use to meet all the time. I called my husband and begged him to forgive me for all I did that in itself was another story. My husband called the police and they came and got me. I was put in a holding cell with a blanket and laid on the floor. I was handled like a leper and it was horrible.
Again to another hospital. I didn't stay long and got out. For a couple of weeks Jack would not take my phone calls --the anger finally came. When he did talk to me and see me I was different.
It finally sunk in --EVERYTHING. The hardest point was knowing that chances are I will not see my son graduate high school or my daughter college. I would not see my grandchildren when they came to grow up. Why----because I wanted to be wanted.
I saw Jack a couple of times after that and the last time I saw him he Dommed me. But you see by then I had gotten away enough to see things as they really were. I also met Karen, my Mistress and lover. Yes before she even touched me I told her I had HIV. Yes she is negative. That is also another story.
Master did not give up easily and it was hard for awhile but the final straw was when he told me that he was told I might of gotten HIV elsewhere. Knowing what we did and knowing that I was safe before him finally broke the connection. I finally asked to be released as all through this I was still collared. Jack died in December. I found out the same day as I was riding in the car to my HIV doctor. Yes I cried and yes I still cried. I believe that he did love me...You see I have to otherwise I couldn't live with the fact that I am going to die all for NOTHING.
This is my story up to last year I know it is long but it is the truth and believe me I could write a book on the things that I left out. My life has changed a lot since the last time I met with Master.
What does this all mean...to me it means let this be a warning. It is to late for me but to all that are just starting or are considering giving up maybe your life for a Master or Visa- versa. It is not necessary to do so to prove you are a wanted and loved person.
If I could go back to the first time I signed on I would.
I have lost the respect of my family although they still love me.
I have lost friends because they are afraid of me being around them and their children.
I have stopped volunteering at the schools because I am afraid of what the parents would do if they knew I had HIV and was working along side of their children.
I have to tell doctors.
People I meet in the S&M scene I have to tell I have HIV so they can make a decision as to whether or not they want to be collared by me. I do not want anyone to feel the way I did by having this Master not be honest with me.
Of course when playing in S&M I am totally safe and have found out that S&M does not mean unsafe play. A simple hug is not so simple anymore. I find myself analyzing did the person who just hugged me hug me if they knew I had HIV even though I know they can't get it. I find myself thinking if this person that has hugged me knew I had HIV would they even hug me.
Although Master lays in his grave he has done the ultimate Dom. He has me for the rest of my life. He is a reminder everyday living this. Should anyone have so much power over anyone? Everyday of my life he is a constant reminder by living with this. Karen has been through hell with me with this disease. Let me tell you HIV sucks.
Is it worth it?? You decide!!
Cold as Ice
Now that you have read my story I would like to pass on a few things that I think my help others.
If you are interested in a new Dom/mes sub/slv, ask him/her if anyone on chat knows him /her personally.
Find out what your Dom/mes sub/slv is looking for. Are they the same interests such as do you both not mind if he/she has more than one sub.
Is he/she into safewords if you are.
How far do you both want to get involved in this?
If you are going to meet a new Dom/mes sub/slv. Always meet in a public place. A restaurant etc.
Let some one know where you will be.
Do not go with the intent of sessioning the first time you both meet.
Always agree on safe and consentual S&M Practices when you do finally first session.
Think about the consequences of both of your actions. Such as if you are married is this possibly worth being found out. I also feel that being in this cyber land is like taking a drug for some people. It was like that with me. If this is so....step back for awhile and think about other things in your life once in a while. Like a drug a lot of this cyber can give you a false high and be dangerous and addicting. I am speaking from experience.
Be Safe, Be Happy, Be Sane, Be smart Be Concensual, Use all kinds of protection and do not take body fluids in any form and Have Fun but not at the cost of Your Life or any others that you might come in contact with. It only takes one time to pass on misery forever.
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RE: same song second verse - 6/6/2004 8:04:06 PM   
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Having told him prior. It is my way until submission. It is my way until I feel safe. I had no problem curling my hand up into a fist and breaking his nose right then and there


Go you. This is (my opinion, I could be wrong) one of the most effective ways of dealing with this sort of cretin.

I have to throw my $0.02 in. If you file police charges against this abuser, they may not stick and he may get off with a night or two in jail and paying an attorney.

He may think twice before pulling this crap on somebody else the next time. If you do nothing, he gets away with it...

Whatever you choose to do, I am glad you survived and are still here.

Be well,

Sinergy

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