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RE: piss doll/slave - 6/9/2007 4:17:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Well...

Started off with some indiginant opinions completely irreleveant to the thread made by cool people..
Moved on to some self righteous indigination towards the people making the opinion because on this particular thread, the self righteous person didnt happen to have indignant opinions towards this particular aspect of the lifestyle...
Quickly got back on track with some "expert" advice from Bart Simpson...
So we could continue with 2 pages of a balanced mix of misinformation and information, nullifying the ability for anyone to actually learn something here...
Added another irrelevant opinion from someone who has no experience outside of their own prejudged views, mixed with some justification for their first indiginant irrelevant opinion...
And hence, bringing us to this point where some Rabbit guy can come through and make a sweeping generalization of the entire thread, consequently portraying himself as superior to everyone else posting.

Another beautiful day at Collarme.com...

Such a sad world we live in huh? Although when you put it like that it all sounds pretty fucking stupid, doncha think? I think kyraofMists is right....this thread isn't My Kink Is Okay, Your Kink Is Not but rather My Kink Isn't Your Kink-Your Kink Makes You Fucking Lazy.

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RE: piss doll/slave - 6/9/2007 5:14:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: kinkychild18

Such a sad world we live in huh? Although when you put it like that it all sounds pretty fucking stupid, doncha think? I think kyraofMists is right....this thread isn't My Kink Is Okay, Your Kink Is Not but rather My Kink Isn't Your Kink-Your Kink Makes You Fucking Lazy.

My slave is a very bright and educated young woman who has served me nearly a decade. During that time we have run through most of the bdsm 101 games, some we like and repeat. Some are a yawn. But overall I keep finding or creating some new and pleasurable kink that we really really enjoy a few times a year. Each time I am astonished that there is so much, new and different , that we have yet to try: or even imagine. That might mean I am imaginitive, almost to the edge of sanity, it also indicates my slave is truly dedicated, it certainly makes me kinky....but it does not make me lazy.

Oh and BTW "eat my shorts"

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RE: piss doll/slave - 6/9/2007 5:57:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

No, I didn't mean HAD your urine analyzed. I mean PERFORM urinalysis in a clinical laboratory setting. I mean know the theory, practices, policies and procedures involved.

No, I haven't had cause to do that yet. I leave urinalysis to the doctor and the lab.

I only know as much as my friends have told me from their experiences working in the lab.

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I just wish people would leave medical advice to the professionals.

Hence encouraging people to have blood work done to monitor renal function, to talk it over with their GP, etc.

Mostly, I just pass on advice and so forth.

It would, of course, be ideal for people to go to a KAP, get everything they need to know from there, and not even ask the questions in the first place on CM, but such isn't the case. Hence various people give their advice where they feel they can contribute, and I give mine.

The only area where I can do the same things my GP can (and more, as attested by the people who instructed the GPs in my region in the first place) is with regard to the use of psychotropic medication in the management of certain kinds of mental illness, and some adjunct topics to the extent they are relevant (cardiovascular system, pharmacokinetics, etc.).

The absorption, metabolism and excretion of drugs falls under that heading, and I've assisted GPs with that.

I'm not about to claim to be a professional, though, and I've always included a strong emphasis on the need to run my advice by someone who is a professional, and knows the medical history involved, whenever someone asks me for specific advice (whether in PMs, in real life, or whatever). That's as much as I can do; anyone taking medical advice over the Internet without running it by their caregiver(s) will do equally stupid things in the absence of well-intentioned advice anyway.

If you feel I haven't stressed the point enough, though, please let me know, and I'll try to improve.

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RE: piss doll/slave - 6/10/2007 3:17:02 AM

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The whole water sports issue is a rather common one in the lifestyle. I have a solution that will not compromise your health and give you a way to satisfy your dom at the same time.

First of all, as far as the health issue, I would not recommend you drinking urine (your own or especially someone else's). It is actually safer to drink one's own healthy urine than someone else, but neither is wise to do because urine contains metabolic waste by-products and small amounts of toxins. Sperm on the other hand, if healthy, is downright beneficial to ingest (and not because of its protein content as most guys suggest, lol. Most calories in it actually come rom fructose, but it does have a lot of healthy components). Back to urine. It is sterile and therefore safe externally and for playing purpoes.

So, here is the ideal solution. He pees in your mouth and you as the human urinal and pee ferry service carry it over to the toilet one mouth full at a time or perhaps you could have some container that you spit it in and then carry it over to the toilet. Voila! Everyone is happy and satisfied and nobody's health is in danger.

As far as people citing personal experience to suggest that something is safe to do is total nonsense. There are people who have been smoking cigarettes and eating crap and living a sedentary lifestyle who are in their 90's, does that mean that those are safe behaviors? No, it does not.

So, don't drink the piss, but do put it in your mouth, feel free to gargle with it, swish it around, play, whatever, avoid actual drinking though.

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RE: piss doll/slave - 6/10/2007 8:00:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: SKYESKYE

Hello, and welcome to the forum.

Your outline about the health issues contradicts several medical sources, including those given in this thread. For instance, urine is not sterile, though it is one of the closest things in terms of bodily fluids.

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So, here is the ideal solution. He pees in your mouth and you as the human urinal and pee ferry service carry it over to the toilet one mouth full at a time or perhaps you could have some container that you spit it in and then carry it over to the toilet. Voila! Everyone is happy and satisfied and nobody's health is in danger.

How is this the ideal solution? I'm not happy, my partner is not happy, and the health risk remains virtually unchanged (we both have excellent renal function and are generally in fairly good health, with no STDs, and maintain good hydration).

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As far as people citing personal experience to suggest that something is safe to do is total nonsense.

Anecdotes do not constitute medical evidence, no.

But who has claimed the safety of a practice on the grounds of an anecdote?

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So, don't drink the piss, but do put it in your mouth, feel free to gargle with it, swish it around, play, whatever, avoid actual drinking though.

On what grounds do you base this suggestion?

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RE: piss doll/slave - 6/10/2007 11:40:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

No, I didn't mean HAD your urine analyzed. I mean PERFORM urinalysis in a clinical laboratory setting. I mean know the theory, practices, policies and procedures involved.

No, I haven't had cause to do that yet. I leave urinalysis to the doctor and the lab.

I only know as much as my friends have told me from their experiences working in the lab.

quote:

I just wish people would leave medical advice to the professionals.

Hence encouraging people to have blood work done to monitor renal function, to talk it over with their GP, etc.

Mostly, I just pass on advice and so forth.

It would, of course, be ideal for people to go to a KAP, get everything they need to know from there, and not even ask the questions in the first place on CM, but such isn't the case. Hence various people give their advice where they feel they can contribute, and I give mine.

The only area where I can do the same things my GP can (and more, as attested by the people who instructed the GPs in my region in the first place) is with regard to the use of psychotropic medication in the management of certain kinds of mental illness, and some adjunct topics to the extent they are relevant (cardiovascular system, pharmacokinetics, etc.).

The absorption, metabolism and excretion of drugs falls under that heading, and I've assisted GPs with that.

I'm not about to claim to be a professional, though, and I've always included a strong emphasis on the need to run my advice by someone who is a professional, and knows the medical history involved, whenever someone asks me for specific advice (whether in PMs, in real life, or whatever). That's as much as I can do; anyone taking medical advice over the Internet without running it by their caregiver(s) will do equally stupid things in the absence of well-intentioned advice anyway.

If you feel I haven't stressed the point enough, though, please let me know, and I'll try to improve.

Ditto and will add:

If you don't want to find out what we "non professional medical people" think then don't ask questions on public forums go find a doctor to pay and ask your questions there.

I am astounded by some of the medical questions asked to a bunch of hidden faced online people in the health and safety section. Often I glance over these, have what would be good advice based on medical knowledge but don't post because my nursing degree doesn't allow me to diagnos or prescribe. Even if it did...there is no way in hell I am going to assume that responsiblity in an online forum of faceless, nameless people who could be telling me anything and I them, for that matter.

I offer up links, advice, and general knowlege. I at least have 12 years of nursing behind me unlike the others who say things like "oh yeah...my xyz had that same problem....just double your dose"

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RE: piss doll/slave - 6/10/2007 2:34:22 PM

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Nicely put, earthycouple.

I'd prefer to back up any advice I give with citations, but it isn't going to do any good, since I don't have any that are both suited for a layperson and reasonably accurate. I can't assume responsibility; as you say, anyone can say anything to anyone online, and by my reckoning, anyone who is to be online needs to be able to deal with this fact appropriately. For people to take advice without running it by their doc etc. would be like trusting a fortune cookie or a horoscope with such things (e.g. deciding whether to have a surgery done based on what their fortune cookie said that morning).

Of course, some do just that, so, like others, I try to provide the best advice I can give, and leave it at that.

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RE: piss doll/slave - 6/10/2007 5:27:32 PM

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thank you for the many, varied and unusual responses.
a special thanks to gringuita & daddysprop, whose responses were most useful.
posting here has also begun a more open dialogue with my dom about moving forward for my training in this area.
thanks again, everyone

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RE: piss doll/slave - 6/11/2007 1:59:40 PM

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touchedbyone, i'm glad you found my response useful. :) good luck and let us know how it goes, if that's alright.

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RE: piss doll/slave - 6/11/2007 7:19:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion

hence my one word reply

depends
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Lol you crack me up!

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RE: piss doll/slave - 6/11/2007 9:30:36 PM

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i would suggest you ask your Master if it matters to him, which way you accepted his urine. i see everyone assumes it was orally accepted.perhaps its just me, but my assumption/choice would be to give it anally. that way, you could simply get up, and expel it .i have used this method many times in the past. she found it acceptable, and enjoyable. either way, i wish you both the best of luck ,
C

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RE: piss doll/slave - 1/11/2008 9:47:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: uwinceismile

i would suggest you ask your Master if it matters to him, which way you accepted his urine. i see everyone assumes it was orally accepted.perhaps its just me, but my assumption/choice would be to give it anally. that way, you could simply get up, and expel it .i have used this method many times in the past. she found it acceptable, and enjoyable. either way, i wish you both the best of luck ,
C

Thinking outside the box... I like that. It took four pages for someone to give consideration to the question and not assume it was about drinking pee.

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RE: piss doll/slave - 1/11/2008 11:29:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

There are some nice textbook quotations here, but I'm wondering if anyone here has actually analyzed urine in a laboratory?

Millions of people have, many times. What in particular did you want to know about it?

If you have something in particular in mind, I can ask a friend to take a sample to the lab.

I don't have kidney problems or communicable diseases, though, so I can't check that.

No, I didn't mean HAD your urine analyzed. I mean PERFORM urinalysis in a clinical laboratory setting. I mean know the theory, practices, policies and procedures involved. Does anyone here really know what a calcium oxalate crystal looks like? How to measure the specific gravity and what it means?

I just wish people would leave medical advice to the professionals.

I'll bite, and say that I'm vaugely familiar with the structure of calcium oxalate, but I'm a chem student... I can, with sufficient lab equipment, do those things, but:
a) I don't want to
b) I don't mess with pee

Anyways, windchymes is right. We should leave the health and safety aspect out, unless the poser is a medical professional. Anyone is of course welcome to give their experience, its just that "Yes, its safe" or the opposite is a medical decision we are not qualified to make.

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RE: piss doll/slave - 1/11/2008 1:21:57 PM

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velvetears, for your edification. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_urine

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RE: piss doll/slave - 1/12/2008 5:49:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: touchedbyone

my dom has been whispering in my ear about training me to care for his need to urinate during the night. he doesnt want to get up to relieve himself.
anyone care to share their experiences in this area?

a couple of things... first, have you guys done golden play yet? It can be difficult. It's hard to pee with someone watching you (clinical studies have proven it even... swear to god). So if he hasn't done this before, you'll want to do some practice. Also, it is nearly impossible for a man to urinate if he is aroused... *you could always manipulate that situation, if you know what i mean *winks...

but... yes... you definiely need to work up to this. Are you comfortable drinking it? Men tend to pee slower than women do, so it would not be so difficult to swallow - but if he has any kind of medical issue you will want to check with a doctor. I found this on google:

http://www.albanypowerexchange.com/BDSMinfo/piss_play.htm

good luck.
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RE: piss doll/slave - 1/12/2008 6:12:44 AM

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i would suggest you ask your Master if it matters to him, which way you accepted his urine. i see everyone assumes it was orally accepted.perhaps its just me, but my assumption/choice would be to give it anally. that way, you could simply get up, and expel it .i have used this method many times in the past. she found it acceptable, and enjoyable. either way, i wish you both the best of luck ,
C

am i odd or gross if i think that is hot?

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RE: piss doll/slave - 1/12/2008 6:34:04 AM

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Never thought in a million years that the thought of drinking piss would ever be something i would do, or even like! But after hours of reading and learning on the topic, (plus the fact Master P Really really was interested in it) I learned how to safely drink it, now i love it! There are different things one can do to alter taste, a diet drink with artifical sweetners help, of course, the clearer the better, and the "midstream" is best. This allows any bacteria to get flushed out first before the exchange. As with everything else, care must be taken, how healthy the top is and what they put into their body will effect you if drinking it. Mmmmmm, for me the act of drinking urine is a total nonsexiual display of my nature, as mentioned above, the penis can not be errect while expelling urine....
Cheers!

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RE: piss doll/slave - 1/12/2008 9:45:36 AM

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Well, I have experiences to share with you about this, cause I will get up in the middle of the night and walk to the bathroom. Not my kink to have bed side human urinal.

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RE: piss doll/slave - 1/12/2008 1:47:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: uwinceismile

i would suggest you ask your Master if it matters to him, which way you accepted his urine. i see everyone assumes it was orally accepted.perhaps its just me, but my assumption/choice would be to give it anally. that way, you could simply get up, and expel it .i have used this method many times in the past. she found it acceptable, and enjoyable. either way, i wish you both the best of luck ,
C

am i odd or gross if i think that is hot?

Not at all ;)

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RE: piss doll/slave - 1/12/2008 1:53:33 PM

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maybe you can just hold a urinal for him and then get up and empty it .. he doesnt have to get up and there are no health issues .. problem solved <wink>

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