Grlwithboy -> RE: How many Doms were subs first? (7/16/2007 12:33:46 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Grlwithboy Leatherfolk, Alyson Publications. While you may be content to D/s however you like as an island, some people don't. One doesn't HAVE to participate in the public scene, but consistently calling some of its well-established protocols "moronic" isn't going to go over smoothly with people who do hold that subculture dear. It may not be your cup of beverage, but whether it is or not you may find it an interesting piece of history dating back to mid-century and prior, and you might want to consider that a lot of people consider themselves heir to this kind of dynamic who post here. As it is, dismissing the notion of "bottoming up" (a phrase I don't care for, but it works) as recent, "new age" and a dilution of more solid old values is uninformed. A lot of assertions are made about the roots of 50's US gay leather being in the military, some of it true some not, but this notion that one always starts out a private seems to carry over. Some privates are identified as leaders immediately, and groomed as such, some are not, some transition into leadership over time. Just one thing I wanted to add in terms of historical roots of switching to learn about ___. In Leatherfolk, they have an essay from a man who was brought up into leather in the 50s who did not switch to become a better top, but rather apprenticed. And certainly my owner, who isn't old guard but has been around for almost 20 years did apprenticing rather than switching. So there is a historical precedence for that option as well that is just as valid. C~ Absolutely a good point. I think it takes a certain amount of humility to apprentice which is also absent from "I spring fully formed from the head of Zeus as DOM" mentality too though, no? If I made things appear uniform or monolithic in that post, I didn't mean to. Not everyone did everything identically 30 years ago any more so than now. But again, the assertion that this bottoming first thing is some sort of dilute kid thing isn't accurate, whether or not every last person did it.
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