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Ass to mouth - 6/24/2007 4:38:27 PM

Bratitude

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I have a Dominant who is wanting me to do this as an act of submission. It has been a limit for me and I understand the need to push those limits. Here is my concern...... it at the very least seems like it would be unhealthy!

Does anyone have any medical basis for this - either supporting or retorting my position?

It is not that I am unwilling to please but I am not willing to jeopardize my health with things like hepatitis and such.
Any information you would be willing to share would be greatly appreciated.

Also the source of that information would enable me to further research and share the findings.

Thanks in advance,
Brat

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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/24/2007 5:10:56 PM

daddysblondie

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Hmmm...is it from your ass to your mouth? I've done it. Made sure I was clean before we started, and also looked it over before it went in my mouth to make sure there wasn't anything on it.

I dont know about contracting hepatitis.

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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/24/2007 6:31:53 PM

sublimelysensual

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Obviously this is your decision to make. While i will do rimming under the right circumstances, i won't do anal to oral..i've posted some info from sexuality.org, which i consider a good source, the info is based on a rimming question, but obviously would also be applicable to anal-oral to an even greater degree since a penis which has been in amongst the anal heebie-geebies is going directly into your mouth... good luck with your decision...

"Rimming is safe to the extent that the anus in question is really clean and attached to the body of a person who is really healthy. But many infectious agents from colds to hepatitis and parasites can pass from one person to another through excrement, and all manner of micro-organisms that reside in excrement may reside in the small curves and wrinkles of folded rectal and anal tissue. If there are any small amounts of feces lingering there rimming is obviously a likely way to ingest them.
Intentionally ingesting scat compounds all the dangers of rimming because it isn't possible to not do what you are doing. Wearing, bathing, or fingerpainting with it is not dangerous if your skin is unbroken where it comes in contact with the feces, but overall your body almost certainly has numerous tiny ports of entry for those same agents, such as cuts, scrapes, pimples, razor nicks, insect bites, open hangnails, abrasions on your gums where you brushed or flossed your teeth, and so forth.
Having said this much I must also say that it's no secret that people both in and outside the BDSM communities play with scat in various ways and to various ends. If your Master wants you to prove your submission or your love in this way and you want to do so as well, words of warning are not likely to stop you. The next step in answering your question, therefore, is suggesting risk reduction. Make sure you Master is healthy on the relevant days, and clean at the relevant hours. Get vaccinated against the hepatitises well in advance and wait for the vaccines to take effect before you expand your scat horizons – some of the vaccines have a six-week incubation period. Don't floss or brush your teeth for several hours before you play if rimming or other forms of ingestion are on your play card; after you play, brush your mouth and teeth thoroughly with baking soda; drink lots of water before and after playing. If you plan to wear scat, first squeeze lemon juice or rubbing alcohol over the areas you will expose: any place your skin stings it's broken enough for infectious agents to enter, so wisdom would suggest you keep that patch of skin clean."

http://www.sexuality.org/authors/henkin/att80.html

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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/24/2007 6:48:13 PM

LadyHeart

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A limit is a limit. It is not meant to be pushed. If he wants you to kiss his arse, do it through a piece of cling film. It won't alter the sensation for him, it will keep you safe, and it will still offer the "degradation" side of the act. You have been given all the facts. But I would also be concerned about anyone who pushes limits. It is something you really need to think about - I would suggest you look at some of the recent threads on this topic before making up your mind just on "safety" issues.
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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/24/2007 7:05:30 PM

maybemaybenot

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I am guessing this dominant you refer to is not some one you are in a commited relationship with, as you joined today and your profile says you are looking for a dominant. So I come to the conclussion that this is a dominant you are playing with, not one you have fully submitted to.

If ATM is a limit of yours, then it is a limit. Pushing a limit does not neccesarily equate blowing up a limit.
I have to wonder why this dominant is not respecting your limits. If you have said well, it's a limit but I am willing to try and overcome it, then It's a different story. But it seems to me you are questioning your own limits based on the say so or desire of a dominant male whom is not even in a commited relationship with you.

I admit to assuming here and I could be wrong, but what I am reading here is : He says " as an act of submission" you need to ATM, despite that being something you have expressed as being something you would not do. I, personally, do not need to cave in on my limits to prove any * act of submission*. If some one agrees to be in a relationship with me, with full knowledge of my limits I expect them to be respected. Period. If my limits are too much for them, then they need look elsewhere, as do I.

My limits have changed over time and during the course of relationships, but never just because of a say so. It * appears * you are only looking to abandom your limit because some one has told you you should.

mbmbn

I could be way off base here, but reading your profile and the wording of your post leads me to believe this to be true.

mbmbn

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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/24/2007 7:18:28 PM

LadyHeart

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BTW, my response is based on experience. There is a sub in our local community who was forced to rim her Dom. She developed a throat infection that nearly killed her. She ended up in hospital, having part of her throat removed - her neck is now severely scarred. It wasn't hepatitis, just some "bug" that was toxic to her. Was it worth it? She wouldn't do it again at any cost, and is very outspoken on the subject. What's more important - his ego or your life? All for the sake of a piece of cling wrap.
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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/24/2007 8:45:32 PM

zindyslave

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I have rimmed my Master and had no ill effects from it, but it can be different from person to person. You never know if it will harm you or not until you do it, you are taking a chance when you do it.

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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/28/2007 6:57:16 PM

nomeci

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While the experience I have to share is not ATM, it does support LadyHeart's post about how very wrong things can go.

There was a young couple - early to mid 20s I believe - that had anal sex and then went back to vaginal sex without cleaning his penis between penetrations. The woman ended up getting a nearly lethal infection. The surgeon took her to surgery to clean out what appeared on a sonogram to be a pretty nasty abcess or something to that affect. He ended up having to remove all her reproductive organs. That one act changed her life forever. She will never have kids of her own. She is lucky to still be alive. If I remember correctly, she was on the verge of being septic - which is when there is a massive infection that attacks your blood stream.

I also agree with the others that have mentioned that your limits are in place for a purpose. I realize some think that all limits should be tested; I personally believe it depends on what kind of limit it is. I have some "soft" limits which are things I dont really care for and truly have no interest in persuing. I also have "hard" limits which do not waver. I understand how everyone's limits may evolve while in the lifestyle. That is why I categorize my limits this way. My soft limits may very well change throughout my experiences. My hard limits are subjects that I feel very strongly about. They are things that I would NEVER agree to do.

If a Dom/me were to try and push my soft limits, I would be ok with the process as long as we were both on the same page and the Dom/me understood why I had the limit in place. On the other hand, if a Dom/me was to try and push one of my hard limits, I would take a step back from that situation and take a good long look at the relationship as a whole. I am an intelligent, independent woman. I do not make something a hard limit just for the "shiggles" of it. Any Dom/me that I would become involved with would have to understand those limits are untouchable and they would have to respect them or they would not be respecting me.

just my two cents...

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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/28/2007 7:39:57 PM

Bratitude

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I wish to thank you all for the sincere interest in my answering my question. After reading all your replies and doing research, I declined my ability to serve Him in this fashion. As a result, He has chosen not to continue our relationship. It was a very new relationship and I am okay with this - I agree that limits are there for a reason. I also believe everyone has SOME limit. Some limits can be pushed but for me personally, things that are hard limits are not likely to change.

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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/28/2007 7:51:54 PM

nomeci

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As long as you are true to yourself you can never go wrong. I wish you well in the future!

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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/28/2007 9:29:06 PM

ClubMix

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....I couldn`t help it.

"You NEVER go ass to mouth!!"
-Clerks II

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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/28/2007 9:41:19 PM

nomeci

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I agree with you as a general statement - for a multitude of reasons.

What I was saying is that each person should follow their ideals and beliefs. If someone is ok going ATM - it is their life and their decision to make, and they will have to live with whatever consequences come from that decision. I was saying that no one should be talked into a situation where they are not comfortable.

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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/28/2007 10:26:01 PM

maybemaybenot

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nomeci:

Clubmix was quoting a line from a movie. Clerks II .

< very funny movie >
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JoRQEQUi9NM

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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/28/2007 10:46:57 PM

nomeci

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well don't I look like the idiot now LOL...

thanks for explaining that to me :)

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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/28/2007 10:58:48 PM

needDomme

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The only thing i can add is that i've never had any problems and i love to rim out my SO. No guaratee's though.

need

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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/29/2007 2:11:12 AM

mons

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greeting to all

you all made so many good answer to her question. but i am confused are we speaking of scat oor just rimming there is a big different . thank for you answer

mons

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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/29/2007 2:33:00 AM

canupleaseme

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Ive only done ass to mouth once and that was before I was dommeing it !!! I forgot Id had it up the bum the night before and woke my partner up with a blow job realising half way through

I'm not sure how safe it is but if its a limit of yours then its a limit and while pushing someones boundaries can be fun your limits should be repescted at all times.

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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/29/2007 2:53:16 AM

LadyHeart

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bratitude

I wish to thank you all for the sincere interest in my answering my question. After reading all your replies and doing research, I declined my ability to serve Him in this fashion. As a result, He has chosen not to continue our relationship. It was a very new relationship and I am okay with this - I agree that limits are there for a reason. I also believe everyone has SOME limit. Some limits can be pushed but for me personally, things that are hard limits are not likely to change.

Congratulations on using your head and keeping your self respect. Huge hugs.
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LH

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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/29/2007 10:00:39 AM

slaverosebeauty

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I have been rimmed a few times, and my past few partners have done it say I have a 'sweet ass.' I have never done it to another, if MJ asked me too, I don't how I would react; I think He would bring it up or slowing guide me to it or bring it up whenI was going down on Him already, I don't see MJ forcing that on me. With that said, the OP says its a limit, is it a hard limit or a soft limit?? Regardless its a limit and it needs to be respected and discussed.

Limits should ALWAYS be discussed before a 'realationship' is started, its common sence.

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RE: Ass to mouth - 6/29/2007 12:21:45 PM

skareamoos

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Simpler suggestions: Tell him to go to hell. Find someone else.

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