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bladedom -> Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 9:37:56 AM)

Movies that are even close to being true to what we do in BDSM are few and far between. Secretary was fun, but that's about it for recent films that I am aware of. I think this situation that can be rectified by bringing our stories to the screen or even online & DVD in much smaller productions.

Since everything revolves around the script I'd like to know if there are any script writers out here with stories to tell. Personally I am looking to read scripts that are closer to 'Down to the Bone', 'Primer', 'Ulee's Gold', or 'The Good Girl' in presentation. As an actor that certainly would attract me, not the Showtime after midnight soft porn junk.

Intense personal stories in which BDSM, D/s and the daily manifestations of submission & slavery are part of the lives shown onscreen need to be told. Not, more 9 1/2 Weeks type fantasies.

Who's out there?








IrishMist -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 9:40:53 AM)

dayum

for the first time in a long time I am actually speechless

totally, fucking speechless

astounding




diz -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 9:44:33 AM)

huh!!!




KatyLied -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 9:50:22 AM)

quote:

9 1/2 Weeks type fantasies.


Mickey Rourke circa 9 1/2 weeks.....yum




crouchingtigress -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 10:06:36 AM)

i wrote a musical about BDSM i would be happy to share it with anyone who asks.




Archer -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 10:09:51 AM)

Google up Hardy Haberman BDSM and you'll find a few short films about the reality of what we do.

If you can find the funding I'm sure Hardy would be happy to talk to you about producing a full length motion picture.




bladedom -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 10:12:59 AM)

Yep. He is the bomb, but there are tons of those types of movies out there.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 11:06:37 AM)

A "healthy" BDSM relationship has never been filmed. Associating the word healthy with BDSM is mutually exclusive as a movie depiction. However, similar to the depiction of a healthy 'vanilla' relationship, it would be just as boring on the screen; although, for us at least, much more erotic.

The "Secretary" showed a neurotic Dom who on film, came across as a self doubting, insecure, psychopath. The sub, was a socially inept, self mutilator coming out of psychological hospitalization. The 'happy ending' notwithstanding, if either of those people presented their personal situation on the boards of CM most would advise them to get their act together before considering entering into a relationship. 

At least "9/12 Weeks" was based on a New York woman's true story. The movie was a very mild version of the book and once again the Dom was depicted as neurotic. Ultimately the sub suffered a break down from the experience. Although I took one thing from that film. The conflict of serving a Master and a serving a Master as work was counter productive to a D/s relationship.

There are many of us with "stories" of a health relationship, functioning in society. They just don't sell. In a Jerry Springer demanding word of marketing - wacko's sell. An Ozzy Osborne reality show sells. The public doesn't want, and wouldn't believe an "Ozzy & Harriet" D/s reality show. Now if they let Ozzy & Harriet show what goes on in their little private home dungeon - you'd have a #1 reality show. However, I think we are still at the twin bed stage of D/s acceptance and depiction in the media. Unless, of course, you need a psychotic killer on one of the Law & Order shows, or want to generate a bit of kinky sexual tension on CSI with Grissom.




Faramir -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 11:14:08 AM)

I totally want that.  I don't know if I have the artistic ability to do it, but I have for some time now wanted to write that script, something that touches on the reality of connection and intimacy in BDSM, not the sensationalism of the motifs, tropes and props of BDSM (almost always BD and SM).

A real relationship story in a BDSM mode, thus constructing as humans who happen to have this mode, rather than as BDSM practitioners, who are thus other, outside of the main American discourse of self.  Something like Brokeback Mountain or The Princess and the Warrior, stories that show love between individuals who are considered outsiders, or transgressors.  Where's the When Harry Met Sally or Moonstruck that tells of our connectiosn with an eye to humor and wit?  We laugh too.  How about a BDSM fable, a Princess Bride for us?

In short, a great romantic film that is about people who love in this mode, if love weirds you out, then connect powerfully in this mode. 




charismagirrl -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 11:18:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

The "Secretary" showed a neurotic Dom who on film, came across as a self doubting, insecure, psychopath. The sub, was a socially inept, self mutilator coming out of psychological hospitalization. The 'happy ending' notwithstanding, if either of those people presented their personal situation on the boards of CM most would advise them to get their act together before considering entering into a relationship. 




I do have to comment here, and just my point of view obviously...the way i take "the Secretary" '(a movie i watch whenever i need a little extra centering when my Daddy travels)

Initially i hated the movie because of "Mr. Grey's" neurotic (to use your word) behavior....his inability to stand up and BE who he is...
After my Daddy explained aalot of that to me i was able to view it through different eyes.

As far as these two characters they can speak for a portion of our community...and no single story could tell about all of us or even give the norm (because there are so many varieties)

Coming from a background of being a cutter who felt totally misunderstood and unworthy the character of Lee speaks to me hugely.

But aside from all of that it shows soooo much more. The transformation in her character due to the positive influence of Mr. Grey's dominance/influence speaks volumes...so many little nuances in the movie that really speak more to real life than just the spanking parts. He was cultivating something in her, although he was conflicted about the whole thing within himself, just like he cultivated his flowers.

Anyway....i would love to see a "The Secretary II"' and see more of where their life went from there...passed the honeymoon and cockroach on the bed. But, then again, that might prove to be sort of boring, but it could hit the mark.

Again, just my POV
[:)]




crouchingtigress -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 11:49:49 AM)

yeah i concur, to me there was no greater bdsm moment captured on film, them the moment she peed in her wedding dress....*goosebumps*




litleone8620 -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 11:55:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

yeah i concur, to me there was no greater bdsm moment captured on film, them the moment she peed in her wedding dress....*goosebumps*


Total goosebumps.

Even though it was completely romantasized, it was very emotionally powerful.




Lockit -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 12:09:06 PM)

I have to agree with a number of you, but I think that Chrismagirrl has a good idea.  I think what was most rewarding to me with the Secretary was the evolution of the characters.  To see a second part, where they find their balance and a healthy relationship as Merc was talking about would be fantastic!  The Secretary was used with me to help me disect things and learn and I do use it when I think it might help. (Ever try finding that movie? Damn!)  I use it to open up dialog sometimes. 

I write my little stories, but haven't written much on the lifestyle, but hope one day to do so.  I would love to see things explained to the world at large on how healthy this lifestyle can be!  The actual amount of time, focus and discipline we each put into it all hasn't been something I have found in a lot of vanilla relationships.  I am sure there are relationship sites, but I tend to see more lifestylers trying to figure it all out and make it work than I do vanilla relationships.  That might just be what is in my viewing scope though.

If movies were made... what would you all think should be addressed in them?  For me, I would like to see the words submission and dominance explained in a healthy way because when these words are said, people have a set picture in their mind and can see no other.  (Am I hijacking here?  If so... I am truly sorry.  I just thought this applied.)

Lockit




charismagirrl -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 12:32:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

If movies were made... what would you all think should be addressed in them?  For me, I would like to see the words submission and dominance explained in a healthy way because when these words are said, people have a set picture in their mind and can see no other.  (Am I hijacking here?  If so... I am truly sorry.  I just thought this applied.)

Lockit


I agree with you that there needs to be healthy explanation for the words.

As far as things i would like to see or wish would be covered...

Well for example, the scene in The Secretary when Lee walked home through the park all by herself because Mr. Grey gave her permission....or the way he got her to quit cutting....

i think that the positives like those, how an M can help the s to grow and face things, real world situations and obstacles and become better and STRONGER for it rather than focusing on the myth that it is about making an s weaker (sometimes true but SEEMS to be the exception rather than the norm) i wrote something about this on my site last week about M/s and B & D  in the Vanilla World

i love the idea of the transformation that occurs being documented, because in alot of ways an s can be like a butterfly and truly transform under the guidance of a loving M  (which is why i have the butterfly icon btw)

Could actually be made into a great movie, more like a love story (love-ish in some cases)...romantic none the less. Rahter than focusing on the dark recesses of BDSM it coould focus on the huge amount of light that can be present.

Wow, now i wanna try to write something...hmmmm....project LOL.

~cherry




bladedom -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 2:20:59 PM)

Guess you've never heard of Primer (www.primermovie.com). Feature film, won Sundance a couple years ago shot for $7,000. In the age of digital there is no reason any film has to cost a fortune to be made. That's why scripting is so important. A good writer with knowledge of the scene can craft a feature length story that could shot on the budget of an extravegant porno.




bladedom -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 2:24:11 PM)

> There are many of us with "stories" of a health relationship, functioning in society. They just don't sell.

I agree, if the economics to support an alternative lifestyle movie industry requires costs in the hundreds of thousands to be recouped yes. Once budgets are under $10K, you bet.

See: www.primermovie.com




bladedom -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 2:26:39 PM)

>there was no greater bdsm moment captured on film, them the moment she peed in her wedding dress

Precisely my reaction, that was the truest moment in the film. I think there are enough of us out there who understand this to make telling such stories viable.




julietsierra -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 2:31:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

However, similar to the depiction of a healthy 'vanilla' relationship, it would be just as boring on the screen; although, for us at least, much more erotic.

The "Secretary" showed a neurotic Dom who on film, came across as a self doubting, insecure, psychopath. The sub, was a socially inept, self mutilator coming out of psychological hospitalization. The 'happy ending' notwithstanding, if either of those people presented their personal situation on the boards of CM most would advise them to get their act together before considering entering into a relationship. 

At least "9/12 Weeks" was based on a New York woman's true story. The movie was a very mild version of the book and once again the Dom was depicted as neurotic. Ultimately the sub suffered a break down from the experience. Although I took one thing from that film. The conflict of serving a Master and a serving a Master as work was counter productive to a D/s relationship.

There are many of us with "stories" of a health relationship, functioning in society. They just don't sell. In a Jerry Springer demanding word of marketing - wacko's sell. An Ozzy Osborne reality show sells. The public doesn't want, and wouldn't believe an "Ozzy & Harriet" D/s reality show. Now if they let Ozzy & Harriet show what goes on in their little private home dungeon - you'd have a #1 reality show. However, I think we are still at the twin bed stage of D/s acceptance and depiction in the media. Unless, of course, you need a psychotic killer on one of the Law & Order shows, or want to generate a bit of kinky sexual tension on CSI with Grissom.


There have been plenty of ordinary lives portrayed in film. Aging and relationships between young and old as portrayed quite remarkably in On Golden Pond is one that comes to mind.

Ordinary People was about ordinary people dealing with death if I remember correctly, and I believe it won an Oscar.

What is needed is someone who is both an excellent screen writer AND who understands the wealth of experiences this life we live can offer. The screen writer has to be able to write a submissive role with dignity and a dominant role with respect because each are rather looked down upon in real life. And that's the crux of the issue when contemplating a movie like this.

I believe that if one were to be able to portray the dominant as genuinely respectful of his submissive and the role she undertakes in their lives instead of a domineering control freak, it could be done. I believe that if one were to be able to portray the submissive as someone deserving of dignity rather than pity for her choice to follow rather than lead it could be done. But above all, because these films do cater to a vanilla audience as well as a bdsm audience, the screenwriter would have to make it evident of the feelings shared by the two of them for each other - even if no one wanted to call it "love."

Like all good movies, the conflict can't be their relationship. It has to be something outside of their relationship that as a unit they work together to solve or overcome.

In fact, there is a real life story that I'd love to see depicted in film. There's a woman on another forum who has been undergoing treatment for cancer. With her Master, she has overcome great odds. I haven't heard about her or from her in a long while, but within her story is a whole community of people across the United States and around the world, connected through the internet that helped her when insurance wouldn't cover the bill and she was told "come up with the money or die."

Together with her Master and her family (who knew and accepted their relationship), they fought this. I don't know how it ever ended up turning out, but the story itself is heartwarming and they were healthy as a couple. They presented the best of what some of us amorphously term "community" and what we all ultimately hope for when we coin the term "relationship."

I'd love to know how their story ends.

juliet




bladedom -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 2:32:25 PM)

quote:

Could actually be made into a great movie, more like a love story (love-ish in some cases)...romantic none the less.


One of the best scriptwriting packages, Final Draft, offers a free 30 evaluation on Mac & PC. Download a copy, write your script and let's discuss it. Same suggestion to anyone who has expressed the idea such movies ought to be made.

Me personally, I own Final Draft and wrote a script called 'Devoted'.

I am rewriting it now and hope to shoot it later this year.







bladedom -> RE: Telling Our Stories (6/25/2007 2:37:31 PM)

quote:

What is needed is someone who is both an excellent screen writer AND who understands the wealth of experiences this life we live can offer. The screen writer has to be able to write a submissive role with dignity and a dominant role with respect because each are rather looked down upon in real life. And that's the crux of the issue when contemplating a movie like this.
quote:

ORIGINAL: julietsierra


I agree.

That was really the basis for my original post, to spark the idea for a little film colony to spring from Collarme.com what will take the best and most polished scripts to frutition. I've already been approached by a script editor ready to help polish scripts that need insight from an industry professional.

There is no reason that we can't collaborate on a project that will start telling our stories and since I believe in making happen what it that I want I intend to followup on this thread until we have two or three scripts to discuss and start prepping for production.








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