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SDFemDom4cuck -> male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 5:52:00 PM)
During a recent conversation I was discussing the importance of Geisha within society in Japanese history. A recent thread regarding butlers within the board brought to mind the possibility of a male equivalent of the geisha. The comment made was that essentially a male version of a Geisha would make the perfect male wife. They are trained in very specific arts with which to entertain such as dance or music. They are known for their charm, demureness, wit and intelligence. They are trained in etiquette, service, and to be entertaining and delightful. Their training serves them to be the perfect companion no matter the circumstances they find themselves in. They have years of training in which they are moved up in rank according to their accomplishments in learning their various skills. It is not uncommon for Geisha to have many clients but only one Danna (or patron) with which an emotional relationship is shared. Not quite what I'm looking for to that extent, I'm a bit selfish and prefer to keep what's mine for my own use rather than share. I see it more as the training and the pride in service that intrigues me regarding the mindset of a Geisha and transferring it into the training and mindset of a male submissive or male wife. Perhaps some would consider this to be the equivalent of a butler but I see it differently. In my opinion a butler is closer to the aspect of male servant that is unobtrusive and inconpicuous. Whereas a male geisha is a true companion and amusing presence in the life of their Dominant. While both are committed to service, geisha hold a far more interpersonal connection and dynamic than that of a butler. I appreciate your comments and opinions. Any thoughts? Am I the only person that sees where this mindset would be a wonderful thing in regard to a submissive or male wife? PS No, I have not gone batty due to classwork and studying having come to an end. Although it's perfectly reasonable that it could be assumed to be so.

Najakcharmer -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 6:29:08 PM)
Hell yes. Me likey.

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 6:38:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer Hell yes. Me likey. Woot! I was beginning to think I had gone batty.

NovelApproach -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 6:51:20 PM)
Ohh, now that's an idea with a whole lot of possibilities. And if one were into cross-dressing or costume fetishism, having a sub dress up in either an elaborate Geisha's kimono or traditional male kimono could be a lot of fun. Hmm... I'm taking my sub to Obon-dori (a traditional midsummer japanese celebration) soon, maybe I should dress him up in what I normally wear. [:)]

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 7:01:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NovelApproach Ohh, now that's an idea with a whole lot of possibilities. And if one were into cross-dressing or costume fetishism, having a sub dress up in either an elaborate Geisha's kimono or traditional male kimono could be a lot of fun. Hmm... I'm taking my sub to Obon-dori (a traditional midsummer japanese celebration) soon, maybe I should dress him up in what I normally wear. [:)] That is an awesome idea. I would love to hear whether his demeanor changes with the donning of the apparel.

Lashra -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 7:21:57 PM)
This sounds like a lovely idea and I agree with you, I do not like to share my sub either so that would be out. But for him to learn to serve and entertain like this would be something I would be interested in. ~Lashra

MzMia -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 7:41:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck During a recent conversation I was discussing the importance of Geisha within society in Japanese history. A recent thread regarding butlers within the board brought to mind the possibility of a male equivalent of the geisha. Hummm time to do some research on Geisha training. The comment made was that essentially a male version of a Geisha would make the perfect male wife. They are trained in very specific arts with which to entertain such as dance or music. They are known for their charm, demureness, wit and intelligence. They are trained in etiquette, service, and to be entertaining and delightful. Their training serves them to be the perfect companion no matter the circumstances they find themselves in. They have years of training in which they are moved up in rank according to their accomplishments in learning their various skills. They have years of training? They are trained in etiquette, service and entertaining? It is not uncommon for Geisha to have many clients but only one Danna (or patron) with which an emotional relationship is shared. Not quite what I'm looking for to that extent, I'm a bit selfish and prefer to keep what's mine for my own use rather than share. I see it more as the training and the pride in service that intrigues me regarding the mindset of a Geisha and transferring it into the training and mindset of a male submissive or male wife. Perhaps some would consider this to be the equivalent of a butler but I see it differently. In my opinion a butler is closer to the aspect of male servant that is unobtrusive and inconpicuous. Whereas a male geisha is a true companion and amusing presence in the life of their Dominant. While both are committed to service, geisha hold a far more interpersonal connection and dynamic than that of a butler. I appreciate your comments and opinions. Any thoughts? Am I the only person that sees where this mindset would be a wonderful thing in regard to a submissive or male wife? I love the idea of a male Geisha, but now I am a tad depressed because I don't know how to find a male Geisha, and reality is crashing down on my head. Great idea though, Jo. You have certainly given us something to think about! PS No, I have not gone batty due to classwork and studying having come to an end. Although it's perfectly reasonable that it could be assumed to be so.

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 8:00:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia quote: ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck During a recent conversation I was discussing the importance of Geisha within society in Japanese history. A recent thread regarding butlers within the board brought to mind the possibility of a male equivalent of the geisha. Hummm time to do some research on Geisha training. The comment made was that essentially a male version of a Geisha would make the perfect male wife. They are trained in very specific arts with which to entertain such as dance or music. They are known for their charm, demureness, wit and intelligence. They are trained in etiquette, service, and to be entertaining and delightful. Their training serves them to be the perfect companion no matter the circumstances they find themselves in. They have years of training in which they are moved up in rank according to their accomplishments in learning their various skills. They have years of training? They are trained in etiquette, service and entertaining? It is not uncommon for Geisha to have many clients but only one Danna (or patron) with which an emotional relationship is shared. Not quite what I'm looking for to that extent, I'm a bit selfish and prefer to keep what's mine for my own use rather than share. I see it more as the training and the pride in service that intrigues me regarding the mindset of a Geisha and transferring it into the training and mindset of a male submissive or male wife. Perhaps some would consider this to be the equivalent of a butler but I see it differently. In my opinion a butler is closer to the aspect of male servant that is unobtrusive and inconpicuous. Whereas a male geisha is a true companion and amusing presence in the life of their Dominant. While both are committed to service, geisha hold a far more interpersonal connection and dynamic than that of a butler. I appreciate your comments and opinions. Any thoughts? Am I the only person that sees where this mindset would be a wonderful thing in regard to a submissive or male wife? I love the idea of a male Geisha, but now I am a tad depressed because I don't know how to find a male Geisha, and reality is crashing down on my head. Great idea though, Jo. You have certainly given us something to think about! PS No, I have not gone batty due to classwork and studying having come to an end. Although it's perfectly reasonable that it could be assumed to be so. Well the only logical solution to that Mia is that we simply open up a school for training them ourselves. Then we get to pick the best and brightest for ourselves. Wooo!

MzMia -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 8:02:17 PM)
That's what I was thinking, let's open one up![;)]

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 8:05:29 PM)
I think that our evil plan just may work. A little Charm School for good boys. We could even go bi-coastal.

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 8:09:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lashra This sounds like a lovely idea and I agree with you, I do not like to share my sub either so that would be out. But for him to learn to serve and entertain like this would be something I would be interested in. ~Lashra Well I wouldn't share him sexually with other women or allow him to see other Dominants. However, having him do some sort of entertaining little dance for a Girls Night In might be quite amusing however.

Nikko1962 -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 8:09:28 PM)
Lovely post and thoughts. Very interesting idea. The male wife as a geisha. I would expect the male wife as you describe in other posts, would be expected to be, among other things, a charming host, conversationalist and possibly even an entertainer. In particular as a host of a dinner party, I can somehow see the expectations of the domme (Danna) that the male-wife (Geisha) be expected to understand and prepare for the particular interests of the guests. For example, possible culinary restrictions, any allergies, hobbies and interests, etc. Even those of us (me) with limited social skills would have to become adept at small talk and breaking the ice between strangers at a party. Making them feel welcome and part of the evenings conversations and festivities. The role of the Geisha is to be very unobtrusive while at the same time the glue that holds the evening together. Making sure that wine glasses are never empty, etc. A successful evening for a Geisha is to have never spoken about herself, only the interests of her guests. On a side note about Japan, Geisha are certainly not prostitutes in any form whatsoever and Samurai are not merely swordsman.

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 8:24:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nikko1962 Lovely post and thoughts. Very interesting idea. The male wife as a geisha. I would expect the male wife as you describe in other posts, would be expected to be, among other things, a charming host, conversationalist and possibly even an entertainer. In particular as a host of a dinner party, I can somehow see the expectations of the domme (Danna) that the male-wife (Geisha) be expected to understand and prepare for the particular interests of the guests. For example, possible culinary restrictions, any allergies, hobbies and interests, etc. Even those of us (me) with limited social skills would have to become adept at small talk and breaking the ice between strangers at a party. Making them feel welcome and part of the evenings conversations and festivities. The role of the Geisha is to be very unobtrusive while at the same time the glue that holds the evening together. Making sure that wine glasses are never empty, etc. A successful evening for a Geisha is to have never spoken about herself, only the interests of her guests. On a side note about Japan, Geisha are certainly not prostitutes in any form whatsoever and Samurai are not merely swordsman. Very much so, delightful! Although I look at it as more of a position of hostess. I love the idea of her never having become the topic of conversation herself. The focus should always be on those surrounding them. An excellent attribute to be trained in. I think even the most socially inept could be engaged to think of it as their duty to keep things moving smoothly and the ability to converse intelligently on a variety of topics would be useful as well. Although if I recall the Geisha of Japan aren't trained in culinary endeavors such as cooking and service of such when it comes to dining. Mine most certainly would be trained in culinary arts as well. Yes, I had read that geisha had been mistakenly assumed to be simply a higher class of prostitutes often throughout history. Interestingly neither is the relationship with the Danna considered to be one of sexually reward in return for their patronage. Mia..perhaps we have our first student at hand. LOL

aidan -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 8:25:52 PM)
What's the tuition, and do you offer night courses? [;)] I'm all for the idea of being a "male geisha". I have an interest in Japanese culture, the costuming and ceremony involved in the geisha concept are delightful, and it seems like a really unique approach to male submission. Yet another way to make one's self useful to their partner; that's always a good thing. I was actually talking with a group a few weeks ago about an idea I had for a the combined role of a samurai and geisha (with accompanying outfit!). Some purists might scoff, but...meh. It fits me pretty well, I think. And the root of samurai is "one who serves", so it's not too far of a stretch for a submissive. I just wish I could do my hair up all fancy-like. Tight, knotted curls don't lend themselves too well. :-s

switchsecrets -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 8:29:19 PM)
does ballroom training count?

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 8:38:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aidan What's the tuition, and do you offer night courses? [;)] I'm all for the idea of being a "male geisha". I have an interest in Japanese culture, the costuming and ceremony involved in the geisha concept are delightful, and it seems like a really unique approach to male submission. Yet another way to make one's self useful to their partner; that's always a good thing. I was actually talking with a group a few weeks ago about an idea I had for a the combined role of a samurai and geisha (with accompanying outfit!). Some purists might scoff, but...meh. It fits me pretty well, I think. And the root of samurai is "one who serves", so it's not too far of a stretch for a submissive. I just wish I could do my hair up all fancy-like. Tight, knotted curls don't lend themselves too well. :-s victim...errr student #2 seems to have joined us. That is a very interesting concept aidan. How intriguing. I can see how a Taiho Code could fit in as well with different levels of male geisha. Although I realize the upper level advisors were not considered samurai it could be changed to suit personal purposes. The aspect of Bun Bu Ryo Do or both the pen and the sword ( I believe correct??) give an interesting dichotomy of both poet and swordsman. Hmmmm I believe that resembles someone I know.

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 8:40:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: switchsecrets does ballroom training count? I would think it would most definitely count if the intended purpose was to be a delightful escort to a function or event. I think we're going off topic a bit. While the actual services trained in could be individualized I believe it's the mindset of the geisha that is most intriguing.

switchsecrets -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 8:49:06 PM)
yes, a little off topic. but, the first thing a male dancer learns is to make the woman look good. it's all about her. the male is the frame and the lady is the picture. just food for thought in your quest.

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 9:18:42 PM)
LOL The biggest problem I had in learning ballroom dance, and salsa for that matter, was learning to stop trying to lead. Once I drilled it into my brain that Ginger did everything Fred did, only backwards and in high heels, I was fine.

subiugo -> RE: male equivalent of a Geisha (7/5/2007 10:16:55 PM)
The idea of being a Geisha appeals to me. It is a combination of a high level of service and a high level of emotional commitment. And Gheisha's as we know them from Japanese culture are indeed Women. But i was astonished a little bit when Ms Jo said being a Geisha would turn a man into a perfect male Wife. Does that mean that in order to attain such a high level of service and emotional commitment to a Woman a men has to become a Woman himself? Personally, i find this idea insulting to Women too, because it links servitude and devotion to Women, where i see all Women as Superior Beings. For me, it is just a 'biological fact' that i am a man. i accept that it puts me in a lowly position towards Women. i think i have a choice to stay hooked to my lowly male desires or to go the long and difficult path to serve the Superior Needs of a Woman. In the line of the posting of Ms. Jo, it is possible to see 'levels' on that path. And the 'butler-level' is the level of unobstrusive servitude, where the skills of the male to enter a real emotional commitment aren't at stake yet. At the 'Geisha'-level the male is trained also to serve the true emotional needs of a Superior Woman. To attain such level of servitude, the right spiritual foundation seems necessary to me. (The butler is part of 'British' society, the Geisha part of Japanese and hence boudhist society). So i think that in order to reach the 'Geisha'-level of servitude a lowly male must really worship his Mistress as a Goddess. That seems necessary to get rid of his male proud and to really change his focus to the more emotional needs of a Woman. At least, this is what i am trying to do in my spiritual path to come closer to Supreme Goddess Lorena. But i don't feel that makes me Her male wife. i stay what i am: a lowly male who made the informed choice to serve a Superior Woman. But if one day She made me dance for Her Girlfriends, i would be thrilled...

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