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Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 5:36:07 PM   
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2007 is the 50th anniversary of Atlas Shrugged, which, along with The Fountainhead, has endured as popular works of Rand's.

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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 5:41:46 PM   
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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 5:47:50 PM   
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gotta love living behind this orange curtain:

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer

http://www.jbs.org/

http://www.tbn.org/



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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 5:55:35 PM   
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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 5:56:42 PM   
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She could be verbose, couldn't she....

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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 5:56:46 PM   
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orange county is the home for all 3 organizations. i guess it's something in the air.

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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 5:56:54 PM   
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Fan or foe of her work?
 
2007 is the 50th anniversary of Atlas Shrugged, which, along with The Fountainhead, has endured as popular works of Rand's.


never hear of her or her work.


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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 5:57:52 PM   
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orange county is the home for all 3 organizations. i guess it's something in the air.

 
That'd be about the only thing those two had in common, I'd imagine.

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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 5:58:53 PM   
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Fan or foe of her work?
 
2007 is the 50th anniversary of Atlas Shrugged, which, along with The Fountainhead, has endured as popular works of Rand's.


never hear of her or her work.



Your ability to not have heard of things, and your insistence on telling us about it, never ceases to amaze me, michael.

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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 6:01:47 PM   
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That'd be about the only thing those two had in common, I'd imagine.


some could say capitalism might be another.

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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 6:02:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only work I read was The Fountainhead.  So many, many years ago.  Recommended by a architect-student coworker.  I'm sure it was required reading for him somewhere along the way.  Dominique.....I remember her hurting herself, making injuries, she was a bit maso I guess.  

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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 6:03:40 PM   
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I've read alot of her stuff. I really detest her. Good writer, though.
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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 6:06:12 PM   
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That'd be about the only thing those two had in common, I'd imagine.


some could say capitalism might be another.

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The key word there is "might"..... Rand, no doubt about it, the TBNers, I'm sure are made up of all sorts, bonded together by religion, which Rand had no use for.
 
 

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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 6:07:15 PM   
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The only work I read was The Fountainhead.  So many, many years ago.  Recommended by a architect-student coworker.  I'm sure it was required reading for him somewhere along the way.  Dominique.....I remember her hurting herself, making injuries, she was a bit maso I guess.  


*potato wave*

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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 6:08:35 PM   
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I've read alot of her stuff. I really detest her. Good writer, though.
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Hey there Bob.  A lot of people dislike her, I'm not mad about all of her ideas, but parts of her writing caught my attention, years ago, and made me do some serious thinking.

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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 6:14:27 PM   
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I've read alot of her stuff. I really detest her. Good writer, though.
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Hey there Bob.  A lot of people dislike her, I'm not mad about all of her ideas, but parts of her writing caught my attention, years ago, and made me do some serious thinking.


I hear you Level, and I agree. We the Living was pretty damned good. I guess my distaste is really for the way some of her ideas, especially those in Atlas Shrugged, are seized upon as justification for the "trickle down/let the poor eat shit and die" philosophy of the Republicans.

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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 6:15:32 PM   
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Right back at ya....you've got mail

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But, Bob, hey, hope all is well in your world.


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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 6:19:50 PM   
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 The key word there is "might"..... Rand, no doubt about it, the TBNers, I'm sure are made up of all sorts, bonded together by religion, which Rand had no use for.
 
 

there is a reason that the ayn rand foundation moved to south orange county, just as there is a reason that tbn set up tents here as well. both had to do with availablility of money. tbn is far more about money than about religion, which i agree rand had no use for.

"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be
much easier to deal with." ('Atlas Shrugged' 1957)

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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 6:29:25 PM   
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The key word there is "might"..... Rand, no doubt about it, the TBNers, I'm sure are made up of all sorts, bonded together by religion, which Rand had no use for.
 
 

there is a reason that the ayn rand foundation moved to south orange county, just as there is a reason that tbn set up tents here as well. both had to do with availablility of money. tbn is far more about money than about religion, which i agree rand had no use for.

"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be
much easier to deal with." ('Atlas Shrugged' 1957)

 
Interesting. What do you think of Rand?

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RE: Ayn Rand - 7/11/2007 6:39:17 PM   
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Fan or foe of her work?


Neither.

I enjoy her work on a kind of comic book level. Her characters are flat and her stories extremely didactic. Social justice is depicted in a kind of neo-classical way using the same kinds of symbols (e.g. Atlas, the Greek Titan).

Her work is a reaction against a totalitarian state; her solution is to run off into the la-la land of capitalist ideology. In her time and in her situation I can understand getting from point A to point B - fair enough. But you'll have to excuse me if I don't find her reactionary politics the solution to anything or to be the source of any significantly deep wisdom for the ages.

Ultimately, Rand doesn't know how to get along in a community. Her work is all about the triumph of the individual and yet the individual owes much to society and is standing on the shoulder of giants. In my view, social justice starts with the acknowledgment that we are all part of a community and that no one stands alone. You take, and you give back - that's a perfectly ethical exchange.

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