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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/15/2007 7:28:18 PM

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~fast reply~ Recently in the news here, a family has been stalked via cell phone. If someone can think of it, it can be done.

http://www.komotv.com/news/8246237.html

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/15/2007 7:44:36 PM

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Synergy wrote

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Im still waiting for [Petronius] to clarify why he brought diagnostic methods and DSM-IV into this discussion.
(to help us all track posts: RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/15/2007 6:50:10 PM, p. 14. post 278.)

I thought she was the one who brought up DSM IV and, inferentially, diagnostic methods.

I brought up the notion of paranoid behavior, a concept that existed before DSM IV and even DSM I. The references to DSM IV were, I think, first in a post by Synergy to which I responded.

Some terms have meaning in a variety of ways, as with "paranoid" and "paranoia" that may have a very specific definition in places like DSM as well as a broader definition in the English language.

Other terms, once used by the psychiatric community cease to be used, but they still have meaning in English. "Hysteria" is, I seem to recall, one of them. I haven't looked over DSM IV in quite a while. But if my memory is correct, the old 'hysterical neurosis" is now "conversion disorder" or "disassociative disorder" and the "histerical personality" has become "histrionic personality disorder." But "hysterical" and "hysteria" are sill in the English language even if they're not in DSM IV.

Other terms may no longer appear as a formal diagnostic category in DSM IV but have no real meaning anymore aside from being old psychiatric diagnostic terms. I don't think DSM IV lists "Korsakoff's psychosis" anymore, preferring instead "Alcoholic amnesiac syndrome" but, unlike people seen as hysterical or paranoid, I don't think anybody has every been labeled Korsakoffistic aside from formal diagnostic categorization.

But here's a more generic hint to Synergy: if I brought up the term "paranoid" and "paranoia" it is probably because I wanted to state in public that I thought those terms accurate in describing some thing, group, concept, or person.

Of course I could always weasel out of the thing by claiming "it was a joke." But I leave that form of dishonesty to others.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/15/2007 8:03:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: Petronius

But here's a more generic hint to Synergy: if I brought up the term "paranoid" and "paranoia" it is probably because I wanted to state in public that I thought those terms accurate in describing some thing, group, concept, or person.

Then answer my other question; what qualifications, objectivity, body of study, and laying on of hands, do you have or have performed on Lockit which allow you to render a psychiatric evaluation of her.

On the other hand, if it is simply a lay opinion you are providing in a juvenile attempt to degrade and insult the character and mental state of another poster on the boards, I would point out that such peurile antics dont seem to have worked out all that well for you.

Just me, etc.

Sinergy

p.s. By the way, the name is spelled Sinergy, not Synergy. Please make a note of this.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/15/2007 9:00:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: Petronius

Of course I could always weasel out of the thing by claiming "it was a joke." But I leave that form of dishonesty to others.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/15/2007 9:16:05 PM

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Hey Sinenergy

The Mac addresses still exist and are even more revelant on a wireless network where you can block all mac addresses except for permitted ones. Also some of the applications I have worked on seemed to encode identies and have security protocols tied to the mac address much to the corporate users dismay as a means of identification... imagine their dismay when the server app denies them access even though they provided the right credentials...of course thats another story lol

BTW to all others who are using wireless routers I also recommend turning the broadcast off (AS you already know your SSID and dont need to see it to capture it)

with mac filtering on and broadcasting off... you actually prevent alot of base attacks...
and defeat alot of the simpler sniffing routines

Yeah, as part of the ifconfig command ( for those who use Advanced Operating Systems ) has the parameter lladdr just to change it on the fly.

lladdr addr

Set the link-level address on an interface. This can be used to
e.g. set a new MAC address on an ethernet interface, though the
mechanism used is not ethernet-specific. The address addr is
specified as a series of colon-separated hex digits. If the
interface is already up when this option is used, it will be
briefly brought down and then brought back up again in order to
ensure that the receive filter in the underlying ethernet hard-
ware is properly reprogrammed.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/15/2007 9:17:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: Aileen68

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ORIGINAL: Petronius

Of course I could always weasel out of the thing by claiming "it was a joke." But I leave that form of dishonesty to others.

I feel you pain, Sister!

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/15/2007 10:00:36 PM

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Farglebargle,

You gotta warn a dood before these one liners, I gotta clean coffee off my screen now

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/15/2007 10:05:26 PM

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wow this grows and grows. every time i got to the end of a page 2 more were added. whoa i could not read all the words but it was very informative and perving some of the profiles was fun too. it is lovely to have some of these computer genius's around to help when there are problems.

i wish the OP peace and safety and hope it works out well. i do love to see all the different ways folks respond. i dont intend to hijack this thread but is it dangerous to have pics posted here? and open mail in CM? if i sound like a computer retard you are quite right. learning, listening and learning.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/16/2007 4:10:07 AM

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Hello heartcream

Posting or having images posted anywhere could be dangerous if the 'wrong' person see them - 'wrong' being subjective from anyone to an employer, employee, next door neighbour or potential stalker/hacker. The images contained on CM can be 'stolen' and lifted as well, but that is a different matter.

As for security issues via CM or CC - I have not heard of any and I am sure that if there was, the moderators would post it on the forums here as they did with the nigerian/african scams that occured. Of course there is always a risk of clicking on an infected site from anyones profile or tagline or from clicking to them from your mail, but that is the same as any place on the net. As long as you have a good virus/spyware etc set up and let it do it's magic regularly then is all good. Just remember that people do store weblogs - even Google have a weblog of your searches and keep those for up to 18 months but these are no different to security cameras and survelience etc down your local highstreet, or the info collected on your credit cards. Hope that helps.

Peace
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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/16/2007 4:29:01 AM

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Female hysteria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

hysteria means horny.............id bet we would all fess up to that "mental disorder"

with thanks to miss sue on oxygen channel .......

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/16/2007 8:18:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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But since I thought my points important then I think them important now.

In essence, they were:

1) Generic messenger software doesn't have the holes in it Lockit claimed that let's anybody "into your computer."

Of course, the vulnerabilities present can permit the installation of a rootkit, and therefore be a possible vector towards total computer pwnership.

quote:

2) Corporate security, the Colorado legal system, and the FBI do not have the lackadaisical attitude toward security that Lockit claimed;

I've seen some pretty dumb fucking shit from Corporate Security, the legal system, and the FBI? Don't make me laugh.

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3) Contrary to Lockit's suggestions, modern security software prevents or disproves the notion that "anything can be traced."

REALLY? Explain EFF v. AT&T.

1) Unsubstantiated claims about technology don't really make it, especially with somebody who started posting against unsubstantiated claims about technology. Lord knows that an idiot can fuck up the most secure software system. But generic holes in messenger software that in themselves let rootkits be installed? How about a URL or two documenting this. I really mean generic holes; I'm not asking for some hack that, if somebody using Yahoo i.m. does something incredibly stupid that their security can be breached. The question is of any description of a hack that lets somebody using Yahoo i.m. really well that can get a rootkit under all circumstances.

2) I have no desire to make you laugh, particularly when you don't seem to have understood the discussion you just contributed to. Your claim to have seen some "dumb fucking shit" is irrelevant to the topic that's been discussed. It isn't that "dumb fucking shit" doesn't happen; it does. I've written about some of it. But it still isn't relevant. Yahoo security may do some "dumb fucking shit" but I maintain they don't look at some massive security hole in their software and do nothing about it because they don't care. The FBI and the Justice Department blew a couple of hundred million dollars on a new computer network that never worked. But in the age of the "war on terrorism" they don't get a reliable report of some huge security problem and simply yawn.

3) EFF v ATT is, again, really really irrelevant to the discussion thusfar and especially irrelevant to the point I raised. I'm all on the side of EFF, and the ACLU, and the CCR but it is a different matter from that being discussed. Every single thing I've read about the security matters I've written about leads to the conclusion that ATT didn't turn over a single clear message to any government when the sender used state-of-the-art security.

To put it another way, the fact that a burglar crawls in some homeowners open window doesn't prove Ft. Knox is insecure. The fact that somebody can put a Medico cylinder on their front door, and leave the lock unlocked and the door open doesn't prove Medico is shit security.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/16/2007 8:26:50 PM

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I was about to write that Sinergy had a "bug up her ass" about the DSM IV. But then I thought people would demand to know my credentials in entomology ("bug"), physics or geography ("up") and either physiology or zoology ("ass").

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Petronius

But here's a more generic hint to Synergy: if I brought up the term "paranoid" and "paranoia" it is probably because I wanted to state in public that I thought those terms accurate in describing some thing, group, concept, or person.

Then answer my other question; what qualifications, objectivity, body of study, and laying on of hands, do you have or have performed on Lockit which allow you to render a psychiatric evaluation of her.

On the other hand, if it is simply a lay opinion you are providing in a juvenile attempt to degrade and insult the character and mental state of another poster on the boards, I would point out that such peurile antics dont seem to have worked out all that well for you.

Just me, etc.

Sinergy

p.s. By the way, the name is spelled Sinergy, not Synergy. Please make a note of this.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/16/2007 8:31:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: Petronius

1) Unsubstantiated claims about technology don't really make it, especially with somebody who started posting against unsubstantiated claims about technology. Lord knows that an idiot can fuck up the most secure software system. But generic holes in messenger software that in themselves let rootkits be installed? How about a URL or two documenting this. I really mean generic holes; I'm not asking for some hack that, if somebody using Yahoo i.m. does something incredibly stupid that their security can be breached. The question is of any description of a hack that lets somebody using Yahoo i.m. really well that can get a rootkit under all circumstances.

2) I have no desire to make you laugh, particularly when you don't seem to have understood the discussion you just contributed to. Your claim to have seen some "dumb fucking shit" is irrelevant to the topic that's been discussed. It isn't that "dumb fucking shit" doesn't happen; it does. I've written about some of it. But it still isn't relevant. Yahoo security may do some "dumb fucking shit" but I maintain they don't look at some massive security hole in their software and do nothing about it because they don't care. The FBI and the Justice Department blew a couple of hundred million dollars on a new computer network that never worked. But in the age of the "war on terrorism" they don't get a reliable report of some huge security problem and simply yawn.

3) EFF v ATT is, again, really really irrelevant to the discussion thusfar and especially irrelevant to the point I raised. I'm all on the side of EFF, and the ACLU, and the CCR but it is a different matter from that being discussed. Every single thing I've read about the security matters I've written about leads to the conclusion that ATT didn't turn over a single clear message to any government when the sender used state-of-the-art security.

To put it another way, the fact that a burglar crawls in some homeowners open window doesn't prove Ft. Knox is insecure. The fact that somebody can put a Medico cylinder on their front door, and leave the lock unlocked and the door open doesn't prove Medico is shit security.

Petronius... stop blathering and proving you completely senseless... once again I must point out to you she mentioned it had to do with the locator device in windows

YOU requested evidence... I posted it for you... quit blathering for gods sake

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/16/2007 8:32:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: Petronius

I was about to write that Sinergy had a "bug up her ass" about the DSM IV. But then I thought people would demand to know my credentials in entomology ("bug"), physics or geography ("up") and either physiology or zoology ("ass").

As long as you dont bother to go into any field that requires you to identify gender differences in homo sapiens, I suppose we are all safe.

Sinergy

edited because what quotes he added of mine are not relevant.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/16/2007 8:35:41 PM

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Ummm....isn't Sinergy a male?

Yeah...what Sinergy said...

{ Edited as I type way too slow somedays and sinergy beat me }

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/16/2007 8:36:29 PM

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HAHAHA... I was wondering how long before you came along and pointed out that you were male to him... Guess he really doesnt know as much as he would like us all to think

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/16/2007 8:41:31 PM

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HAHAHA... I was wondering how long before you came along and pointed out that you were male to him... Guess he really doesnt know as much as he would like us all to think

Jet lag. I just flew in from northern California...

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/16/2007 8:46:41 PM

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Shit! Now you tell me....I've been wanting to fuck that hot chick, Sinergy, for quite some time now.....Has anyone seen a picture of The Heretic? Is she hot?

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/16/2007 8:48:02 PM

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Shit! Now you tell me....I've been wanting to fuck that hot chick, Sinergy, for quite some time now.....Has anyone seen a picture of The Heretic? Is she hot?

ROFLMAO... wait until you really find out hes a guy .... direct all aggression at Petronius for the initial misidentification

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/16/2007 8:49:34 PM

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On the off chance We are all wrong....

Sinergy...do you have any extra fishnets? Mine got a horrible run

*runs away before something is thrown at Her*

{Edited so I could get My ass out of target range}

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