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stateira -> animal behavior issue? (7/18/2007 4:44:16 PM)
So my Master has this pug. I have never really been a pug person and don't really know anything about them. The pug is a 7 yo male and he's unfixed...Master refuses to fix him even though he's not going to breed him. Before I came along that dog could get away with murder. He would hump whatever other dog he wanted to and pee 12 times (not an exxageration) every time he went outside, and if he attacked another dog it's always the other dog's fault...never the little pug angel. When I came along I actually made him behave...he wasn't allowed to bark (we live in an apartment), He wasn't allowed to hump my little girl dog when she was here with us, and he didn't get 30 minute walks 3 times a day so that he could pee all 12 times. He did what all he needed to do and then we came inside. So needless to say I don't think he likes me very much. Well there is something he's started doing and I say it's a behavioral issue, but Master gets mad at me for overreacting and says "well he's just a dog". If I'm busy (for example today I was cleaning the carpets) or whatever I let him out on the patio instead of taking him downstairs on a walk. That is a bad habit I know, but not the point. Today (this is the second time) he stood out there for 10 minutes...I was out there with him on the phone. He just stood there and looked at me the entire time and refused to do anything. So after about 10 minutes I figured well maybe he doesn't have to go....so I let him inside. He runs in the door past me and waits for me in the living room. As soon as I walk into the room he immediately squats and starts pooping on the carpet and looks straight at me while he's doing it. Is there something I can do to fix this? It's actually causing problems between Master and me on a relationship level because as I said...he thinks I overreact about it by getting upset.

Arpig -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/18/2007 5:11:36 PM)
My advice? get rid of the dog, but then again I have little patience with dogs who crap indoors

SubinMaine -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/18/2007 5:14:44 PM)
Honestly, it's very hard for an older already "trained" dog to change the potty routine. Has your Master had the dog for the entire 7 years? If so, has He always taken the dog on 3 - 30 minute walks per day? Granted, the dog may be upset with the new potty routine (or how you aren't spoiling him) and going to extremes, but i'm not entirely sure that dogs have that large a thought capacity. Maybe if you took him on 2 - 30 minute walks per day? W/we have 2 dalmations and they get let out 4 times per day for 30-40 minutes at a time minimum...if the weather is nicer, they're out longer. This is not only for potty breaks but exercise as well. i know the few times either of U/us has "missed" a scheduled potty run, accidents have occured....

phthalo -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/18/2007 5:15:28 PM)
Crate training ... Get a dog crate, not a big one ... Just big enough for the pug to sit, stand and turn around comfortably. Small enough so if he "goes" in it, he can't get away from it ... Therefore, he won't "go" in it ... Take the dog outside, wait 10 minutes, if the dog hasn't done what he needs to do, quietly place him in the crate, close it and walk away ... Wait about 20 minutes and try again ... Lather, rinse, repeat until the dog does his buisness outside and then lavish praise on him like going to the bathroom outside is the most amazing thing you've ever seen a dog do. Don't ever yell at the dog or berate him as you put him in the crate. Ignore barking and crying to get out of the crate ... Trust me, this works. Its a hassle at first but eventually the dog gets the idea that you're smarter than him.

HaveRopeWillBind -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/18/2007 5:17:33 PM)
Get one of those shock collars that can be controlled remotely. Next time he lets loose on the carpet give him a zap. (The pug, not your Master.) Bet that behavior wilkl change real quick.

stateira -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/18/2007 5:20:39 PM)
He has been crate trained for most of his life...but it's hardly ever used. He thinks he is the king and has been allowed to run free and be wherever he wants whenever he wants. I hate to have to leave him in there all the time...this problem is a recent development like I said. We've been living here around 8 months now and it's just in the past month or so that he started doing this.

windchymes -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/18/2007 5:35:05 PM)
Master was wrong to never neuter a male dog he wasn't going to breed. He displays a lot of dominant (fun for humans, not for dogs!) dog behaviour, the humping, and peeing to mark what he considers his territory. However, three thirty minute walks a day is actually quite beneficial for any dog, as well as their humans. It relieves pent-up energy so they don't have to vent in other ways, like pooping on carpets and terrorizing other dogs and humans. The more exercise he gets every day, the better for you. Looking at it from his point of view, he was Boss Dog for 7 years and had Master all to himself, then you came along. How would you feel? He's pissed, and pooping on the carpet is his way of 'punishing' you. You've established yourself as the pack leader of the household and he's not going to give it up easily. You're not going to out-dominate him by brute force, you're going to have to work it out of him. At his age, he's not going to change much, especially not in a short period of time. It's really not fair to the dog to put unrealistic expectations on him for the sins of the Master. He's only doing what male dogs do, it's not totally behavior "problems", a lot of is just normal behavior for an unneutered male dog. (They are problems for you, yes, that's understandable.) It's like, we don't hold a drug addict responsible for their behavior, they can't help it, it's the drug. Same goes for the dog.....he can't help it, it's the testosterone running rampant in his little body! One thing you might try, if possible is to put him out when it's time to poop and don't let him back in until he does. That way he learns that if he wants to come back into the house, he has to poop to do it. But please, walking any dog is an important part of their care. Owners have a responsibility to see that their dog has proper exercise, and what the DOG needs, not what is convenient for the humans. One or two thirty minute walks a day isn't really much and is essential for a dog's health, both mental and physical. The walk isn't supposed to be the dog's treat or reward, it's part of keeping them heathy and balanced. Also (sorry to be so long-winded!), dogs sense your feelings, and I'll bet he's sensing that you don't like him. Are you giving him any kind of treat or praise when he does do something you don't want him to, like not barking when you tell him not to? It might help if you could "bond" with him a little bit so he doesn't view you 100% the enemy.

phthalo -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/18/2007 5:43:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stateira He has been crate trained for most of his life...but it's hardly ever used. He thinks he is the king and has been allowed to run free and be wherever he wants whenever he wants. I hate to have to leave him in there all the time...this problem is a recent development like I said. We've been living here around 8 months now and it's just in the past month or so that he started doing this. No, no you don't leave him in it all the time. Pretty much, once he's successfully pottied outside, you praise him for it and then play with him and bring him back inside to be part of the pack again. Its only when there's a threat of him going on the carpet that you use the crate.

Lashra -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/18/2007 6:05:24 PM)
Your Master has issues regarding not fixing this dog. Some men do feel it takes away from the dogs masculinity[&:] which is utterly ridiculous. He NEEDS to be fixed and that would solve a lot of your behavior problems. It sounds to me that you and your Master need to settle some issues regarding this dog, you are NOT overreacting. I had a sub with a pekingese that he refused to fix for the above mentioned reason. I refused to enter his home because it stank so bad of dog piss from the dog marking! Right now this dog is challenging you because he feels he is your superior and it sounds like your Master reinforces this behavior. Put him on a leash and take him outside and walk him to where you want him to go, do not take him inside until he goes. Then give him proper praise and maybe a cookie. Then take him back inside. Soon he will learn that you are higher than he is on the totem pole. ~Lashra

nyrisa -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/18/2007 8:45:05 PM)
If I put my dog outside, and went out of town overnight, meaning she had to stay in the yard and sleep in the doghouse instead of inside the people house, she had a special way of making her displeasure known. When I returned home, I'd find I pile of Shih Tzu doo on the Welcome mat in front of my door. I would definitely call that a "message". I would think that putting a dog out on the patio and expecting him to take his daily constitutional there, instead of during a relaxed walk as he has been accustomed to do, is probably too big a change for him to accept easily. When you say patio, is it open to a grassed yard? Or is it a paved area? If it does not allow him to run on grass, it is probably so much like the house that he feels there is little point in going outside, when he can do his business in the air conditioned comfort of the living room. I think you would be well advised to let him have his walks, and not upset the house training routine. If you have made progress in other behavior areas, I commend you. But on this one, you might want to consider leaving well enough alone, and go back to what he is accustomed to.

Aileen68 -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/18/2007 8:52:23 PM)
I wouldn't want to poop on a patio. Take the poor thing for a walk.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/18/2007 9:16:28 PM)
Just remember that your dom dude has decided that the dog is the dominant one of the house, so make sure to call it sir and take care of it before your dom.

FelinePersuasion -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 12:02:06 AM)
yeah, I'd agree on not cutting down an animals walks.

ownedgirlie -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 12:15:24 AM)
You have changed the routine of this animal who has been accustomed to that routine for seven years. It's not like you can talk to the thing and explain it to him. He doesn't know what the hell is going on, but his little pug world has been disrupted and he's probably stressed. Pets do experience stress. So often people stress their pets out and then get mad at them for misbehaving. If you worked out for an hour and a half a day for seven years and then were suddenly couped up into a small space, your behavior would likely change, too. The difference is, you have the ability to talk about it. He can only bite, dig, hump, pee and poop. :)

Rule -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 12:32:37 AM)
The dog is communicating with you in an unmistakable manner. He is telling you that you and your ways suck - and he is right. You have no respect for him and his needs at all. It seems to me that you are a lazy slave. So there is not a dog problem, but a slave problem. Your master knows how to fix that.

came4U -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 12:40:23 AM)
lololoooo @ luckyAlbatros, I am a pet advocate and I adore pets, whether it be time for their discipline or time for smoochies and hugs..... um yes, it is a pet, it is a spoiled pet, why not take it for a walk 3x(try 5x) day? It is cruel in general for any living creature to be cooped up all day in an apartment. If he wants to pee 12 times, and poo 7x so what? That is what walking is for. Dogs have energy, as much or more than we do. How would your bowels move properly without excercize? If you go to the mall and walk 2 miles while your dog sits at home, how do you expect him to poop on demand? Walking regularly keeps his digestive system rollin' along and healthy. You yakkety yak on the phone? or he just sits there staring? hint hint!! He thinks you are a lazy moron of a human-ish being. By Gods, if you invest in any pet, it is only to spoil them or use as a guard-menace. You can handle neither. Both require too much work and attention. When you have children, when they cry and you do not understand what that cry means do you just not cope and just stare at 'it' (baby) and hope it stops? Pahh selfish and cruel way for any animal to live. Call him Sir, yes, and get off yer ass and walk him.

LotusSong -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 9:47:50 AM)
What is this dog trying to tell you? He's in an apartment. He's BORED! He wants his walk. Pooping on the rug is his only way to communicate this with you. My god, he stood there and STARED at you for TEN MINUTES before this happened. What would have happened if he pooped on the balcony? Would he have been yelled at? Animals are not stupid. Probably the only happiness is his walk so he CAN pee 12 times. Plus he's probably going nuts with no sexual outlet, even if it's just sniffing things on his walk. I don't see this as the dog's fault. If you are following master's orders concerning the care of his pet, make HIM clean up the mess.

spankmepink11 -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 11:32:08 AM)
I agree with Lotus and came4, the problem is not with the dog. You came into his home and decided to change the routine he's had for 7 years. This also has nothing to do with him not being fixed, my dog is not fixed and would not dream of going to the bathroom in the house, nor does he hump anyones legs...etc. Taking him out on the balcony for 10 minutes is not going to get his metabolism going enough to stimulate a bowel movement, and really....does it matter how many times he pees? He obviously will do so until his bladder is empty. Do you not have leash laws in your area? You say the dog attacks and humps other dogs? Easy fix . A dog wearing a collar and leash can only approach who, or what, you allow. We also go out 3 times a day...usually the morning and evening walks are short....15 minutes....then midday walk is longer...30-60 minutes usually in the park. They need exercise and activity as much as we do. Good Luck

CuriousLord -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 11:41:50 AM)
Dogs have emotions too, you know. That walk time- in which it peed a dozen times a day- was likely the highlight of its day. The best part of its life, the part that it looked forward to every day. And you took it away. Yeah, the dog's probably pissed. Not that the dog should have to be walked all of the time. The dog probably deserves to be happy, right? And if it's not happy in the situation it's in, perhaps you should consider providing it with a situation that would leave it in a better mood.

SuperSizedSub -> RE: animal behavior issue? (7/31/2007 11:53:09 AM)
It just makes me want to hiss, spit and swear when people don't look after their dogs properly - at the very least WALK him 3 times per day, set up a solid routine, show him he's special - needed, loved, secure etc.. don't stick him out on the patio and expect him to dance to your (rather flawed) tune ............... jeeeeeeeeeezzz walk the poor thing

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