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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 3:56:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer

Really interesting thought fodder here, thanks Aswad, Pandora and others.

Sorry though - ethical and legal issues aside, calculating dosages for chemical restraint and intubation would put me in a professional safety mindset, not a personal one. Work drudgery is not sexy. I doubt I could have any fun with this scenario unless it was strictly done on a fantasy level with no real life medical considerations required.

Tap water makes great fantasy chloroform, minus the annoying little details of stuff like IPPV and O2 support. I'll pick it every time.

Agreed. It's too much like work to have it be fun. However, knowing the infomation is one hell of a mindfuck on an individual who might want something like this scenario. I'd go into a diatribe about rapid sequence intubation with that doc I mentioned, and his eyes would glaze over....

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 3:58:21 AM

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When i had my knee operated on last year, i was given a drug to immobolize my lower limbs, the feeling of trying to lift your legs and nothing happening was odd in the extreme. Then i was given a mild sedative which wore off before the operation was over. Luckily i couldn`t feel a thing but chatting to the surgeon while he stapled the wound was some experience.

Sounds like a spinal block to me.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 7:48:20 AM

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If the idea is to be fully aware but paralyzed, I haven't a clue right now, but will be looking into it.

While it is possible to do it, it's just not practical in the environment that we play in. Here's why.

I know this already, and it was the reason for commenting as I did.

To the best of my knowledge, there are no systemic paralytics that do not paralyze the diaphragm.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 7:53:49 AM

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Sorry though - ethical and legal issues aside, calculating dosages for chemical restraint and intubation would put me in a professional safety mindset, not a personal one.

Well, the problem is the conscious-but-paralysed fantasy that one poster expressed.

Mine about unconscious/sleeping is quite a lot easier to do.

And the mention of drug based "mind control" (in an extremely loose sense of the word) is also a lot easier to do, if you are content to have them docile and/or confused or some similar altered state of mind. In a less loose sense of the word, you would need to take steps that are not suitable for general publication IMO.

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Work drudgery is not sexy.

For myself, I'd tend to agree with that.

Others may have very specific fantasies, though.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 7:56:15 AM

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In addition to the "fantasy" of drugging a man and having total control, a Domme has to understand the criminal aspects to this fantasy.

There is nothing criminal about possessing or using unscheduled drugs or herbs.
Of course, that doesn't work for the "conscious but paralyzed" version mentioned.
But it is not a problem for some of the other things mentioned, depending on jurisdiction.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 7:59:14 AM

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Sounds like a spinal block to me.

Still rather beyond the average person to use in play...

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 8:44:35 AM

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Scary and hot. With the right person I would definetly sign up for this. As much as I enjoy affectionate, loving play...There's an equal amount of time when I just want to be roughed up and abused.

Combine it with some roleplay (my favorite episode of Batman was the one where Julie Newmar's Catwoman kidnapped and brainwashed Robin ;) )...Oooooh, happy happy squirming.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 8:53:22 AM

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hmmm maybe I could consider switching... *winks*

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 9:56:03 AM

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When i had my knee operated on last year, i was given a drug to immobolize my lower limbs, the feeling of trying to lift your legs and nothing happening was odd in the extreme. Then i was given a mild sedative which wore off before the operation was over. Luckily i couldn`t feel a thing but chatting to the surgeon while he stapled the wound was some experience.

Sounds like a spinal block to me.

It certainly was Ma`am. Being awake and immobile was odd.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 9:58:09 AM

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Sounds like a spinal block to me.

Still rather beyond the average person to use in play...

Isnt that the truth, i needed a local anesthetic before i could have the spinal block injected. Dont try this at home

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 10:41:20 AM

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Sounds like a spinal block to me.

Still rather beyond the average person to use in play...

No shit sherlock. If you'd have left the comment in context, it was referring to someone's KNEE SURGERY. The moment where someone brings that into the dungeon as their kink, I'm retiring. Seriously.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 1:22:16 PM

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what about one of those that just render you paralazed, but still aware? totally coherent of what is happening. you can still feel it all, but cant do a blessed thing about it.

oh my.. cold shower now..

lee

now that sounds like more fun to me
curtsy

It's funny, people have brought this scenario up, and it absolutely does nothing for me. It makes me think that there clearly is something in my wiring that is fairly significant -- after all, if someone being drugged and passing out and "helpless" turns me on, why not someone awake and conscious and unable to move? The same thing goes for bondage -- I am absolutely CRAZY about bondage and restraint, but have no interest in the idea of someone who cannot move (because they are drugged or temporarily paralyzed) but is not restrained.

I remember being a lot younger, watching superhero type shows, and being disappointed if the "hero" was incapacitated with drugs that were used instead of bondage. Because that meant that they were not going to be TIED UP! My ideal scenario was drugged - passing out - waking up in bondage. I'd call that a triple.

In the last few weeks I was reminded of two more TV shows I used to watch ONLY because there were often men tied up in them. Wild, Wild West (gads that was a bad show) and Get Smart. :)

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 6:33:11 PM

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Scary and hot. With the right person I would definetly sign up for this. As much as I enjoy affectionate, loving play...There's an equal amount of time when I just want to be roughed up and abused.

Unfortunately, the logistics of having any form of paralysis done in play are immense. As MisPandora pointed out, you'll pretty much need to rent capacity for this at a hospital if you want to do it. And that is going a bit far, unless you've got millions of dollars in your pockets. Not to mention that you'd need to make it legal first, and I'm pretty sure it is in conflict with the hippocratic oath ("first, do no harm" comes to mind).

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 6:37:19 PM

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No shit sherlock. If you'd have left the comment in context, it was referring to someone's KNEE SURGERY. The moment where someone brings that into the dungeon as their kink, I'm retiring. Seriously.

I think you must've retired already, then.

My first encounter with edgeplay was in a magazine article about people in England going rather far, and they had a surgeon in their group. At the time, I was in my teens, and hadn't encountered any BDSM beyond bondage, but found this strangely enticing.

The point being, however, that people can and do take it further than we imagine.
As far as I'm concerned, that's their choice.
I would not do it, however.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 6:39:48 PM

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It makes me think that there clearly is something in my wiring that is fairly significant -- after all, if someone being drugged and passing out and "helpless" turns me on, why not someone awake and conscious and unable to move?

If the former does it for you, but not the latter, you're in luck, as the former is possible to do, while the latter is (in any practical sense for us "mere mortals") not.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 6:40:05 PM

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Do any other femdoms have a fetish/fantasy of various "knock out" scenarios, where a man is rendered helpless (against his will) via drugs, chloroform, hypnotism, etc? Ever since I was a kid I can remember being fascinated and excited by scenes in TV and movies with a man who is put to sleep against his will (especially if he resisted), and as I got older, it was a tried and true roleplaying game for me. My favorite is using a pair of wet panties and telling my man to pretend it's chloroform and I am knocking him out (this, I learned when I was younger, was a good way to ensure the guy would play along -- after all, the wet panties made it more exciting and erotic to him than just a simple handkerchief).

I have never gone so far as to want to experiment with real drugs of any kind, nor will I ever. But, I still make it a point to drill/interrogate any man when I meet him about whether or not he's been put to sleep by a doctor or dentist, did he resist, and how did it make him feel...oh, yeah, and by the time he is done, when my panties are wet, it makes a nice transition to my suggestion for a little game.

Akasha

Mmmmmm yes...have had this kind of fantasy ever since I was a preteen. Something about a bound, gagged man looking up at Me with pleading/dread in his eyes makes Me burn...!
Great thread Aakasha!
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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 6:51:32 PM

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I'd suggest editing out a certain word about age.
That one gets threads shut down real fast.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 7:03:58 PM

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Why not just get him drunk? Or use NOz?

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 9:22:56 PM

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Nitrous is not safe. Have you tried it? The people I know who have, stopped when there was none left. If they'd been able to, about half of them would have gladly asphyxiated themselves with it. One group had a full tank, but fortunately they were using some sort of nozzle that mixes it with air at a fixed ratio; the tank was empty when they were done. I'm hard pressed to consider amateur use of nitrous a good idea, for this reason. If those were aberrant cases, sure, let me know.

And being drunk does not bring anything interesting to the table. Ethanol is a useless drug. Variable dose-response, variable bioavailability, variable halflife, unpredictable LD50, unpredictable response, highly generalized response, and too damaging to raise any specific parameter to an interesting level without making it a very rare thing, without going into all the specifics of the chemistry (a lot of docs haven't, from my experiences; the ones that have relate quite differently to ethanol than those that haven't).

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/23/2007 11:06:30 PM

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The fantasy can be done. It takes alot fo pre-planning. But is more fun than you can imagine.

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