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RE: Standard Fetish Index clarification request: ageplay - 7/28/2007 7:44:19 AM   
adoracat


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ORIGINAL: p0rnioke

I seek better understanding of the following subject from this (apparently) knowledgeable community.  I had a somewhat rattling experience regarding my kink that I must share.

I met a seemingly level headed submissive who had expressed interest in ageplay and daddy-daughter roleplay - these are driving interests of my sexuality.  Discussions about our explicit sexual interests revealed this: while my fetish extends into sex in the forms of consensual incest seduction scenes, coerceion scenes, as well as incestuous rape scenes, her interest in ageplay and daddy-daughter roleplay literally stopped at the bedroom door.  She found such things "revolting", and suggested I needed professional help.  She further implied that what I liked was contrary to ageplay - and that I was misrepresenting myself by such self-identification.

Needless to say, our meeting ended rather quickly.

Now, I am understanding of, and interested in, the more cerebral side of ageplay - but I hadn't thought that the term included only non-sexual age regression.  To me the term is somewhat vague and encompassing.

Did I miss the latest textbook on the subject?  Has there been some secret revision to the ISFI (international stadard fetish index).  What is the distinction between age regression and ageplay?

Your comments are much appreciated.  Your learned thoughts on the taxonomy of this, even more so. 

Cheers,

p0rnioke




what you wished, isnt contrary to anything but what *she* thought of as ageplay.   she had one definition in mind, you had another.  since you talked about it....you found out that the definitions were incompatible BEFORE you hit the bedroom!

i have a DaddyDom.  he calls me his little girl, i call him Daddy.  ours is somewhere between the viewpoints of your date and yourself...there is definitely sex involved, there is BDSM involved, but not so much "you're only X years old".  i'm a survivor of actual incestual behavior, and yes, that would bother me a great deal in my own relationship, so we dont do that.

i think that whatever two consenting adults decide to do is right between the two of them.  the problem is finding a person whose kink matches up with yours.  *smiles*

kitten, who wishes you luck in finding what it is you seek

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RE: Standard Fetish Index clarification request: ageplay - 7/28/2007 7:46:24 AM   
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RE: Standard Fetish Index clarification request: ageplay - 7/28/2007 7:49:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aine

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Wow.  Repressed rage can be explored through age play, you know....

Yours,

benji


No comment.

*giggles*



So does this mean you're not up for us acting like two 12 year olds beating, picking on and fighting with one another?  I can pull your hair and you can slap my face at the same time... LOL...

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RE: Standard Fetish Index clarification request: ageplay - 7/28/2007 7:50:39 AM   
Aine


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ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile

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ORIGINAL: Aine

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Wow.  Repressed rage can be explored through age play, you know....

Yours,

benji



No comment.

*giggles*



So does this mean you're not up for us acting like two 12 year olds beating, picking on and fighting with one another?  I can pull your hair and you can slap my face at the same time... LOL...


Now that just sounds like good old fashioned fun!


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RE: Standard Fetish Index clarification request: ageplay - 7/28/2007 9:01:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Faramir

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ORIGINAL: imthatacheyouhav

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ORIGINAL: p0rnioke

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I seek better understanding of the following subject from this (apparently) knowledgeable community.  I had a somewhat rattling experience regarding my kink that I must share.

Now, I am understanding of, and interested in, the more cerebral side of ageplay - but I hadn't thought that the term included only non-sexual age regression.  To me the term is somewhat vague and encompassing.

Did I miss the latest textbook on the subject?  Has there been some secret revision to the ISFI (international stadard fetish index).  What is the distinction between age regression and ageplay?

Your comments are much appreciated.  Your learned thoughts on the taxonomy of this, even more so. 

Cheers,
p0rnioke


I agree with the woman you met with. Pretending to rape your own daughter...IS sick and disgusting...and  i'm glad she RAN quickly .



Actually, what's disgusting and sick is your hypocrisy.  To a vanilla, what you like to do is sick and disgusting, but you would understand they are projecting their values and needs on you.  And you are doing the exact same thing back.  See, that's hypcritical. 

YOU'RE A KINSKTER AT A KINK SITE--WAKE THE FUCK UP!  Giving other people shit about their kinks is painfully stupid, hypocritical, and so monumentlaly intellectually inconsistent as to boggle the mind.  Presumably you have something vaguely resembling a brain in that skull--use it.

And holy crap, can you even read?  The OP didn't say he he had fantasies about raping his daughter, he said he wanted to role-play incest stuff with a woman who isn't is his daughter.  Derrrrr.  I mean, it's fucking English, presumably your native language.  Do you have some kind of humiliation fetish where you show a complete inability to read and comprehend basic, 7th grade level English, and combine it with a repulsive need to judge other people's kinks but not your own?  If so you scored a perfect ten, sparky.


Astonishing? Not so much.. I've seen a pattern of this attitude over the past few days.
Disturbing? Yup. Not the age play but her reaction.
I don't know what else to say except if 'you' are on an adult kink site it is likely 'you' will run into a kink that 'you' don't understand.
Try learning before judging, that is my advice.

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RE: Standard Fetish Index clarification request: ageplay - 7/28/2007 9:32:22 AM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		Age players tend to have very strong opinions about involving sex or sexual activity in their age play- either very strongly for or against.

Age play simply means that at least one person is being as if they were a different age than they actually are.

Everything else is just adding onto that dynamic.  And, as you found, some people want some things and some people DON'T want some things involved in that dynamic.

You weren't wrong or revolting at all- but many people might tell you that you are.  It is a touchy subject and one you'll have to learn to navigate.

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RE: Standard Fetish Index clarification request: ageplay - 7/28/2007 10:46:27 AM   
imthatacheyouhav


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ORIGINAL: Faramir

quote:

ORIGINAL: imthatacheyouhav

quote:

ORIGINAL: p0rnioke

I seek better understanding of the following subject from this (apparently) knowledgeable community.  I had a somewhat rattling experience regarding my kink that I must share.

I met a seemingly level headed submissive who had expressed interest in ageplay and daddy-daughter roleplay - these are driving interests of my sexuality.  Discussions about our explicit sexual interests revealed this: while my fetish extends into sex in the forms of consensual incest seduction scenes, coerceion scenes, as well as incestuous rape scenes, her interest in ageplay and daddy-daughter roleplay literally stopped at the bedroom door.  She found such things "revolting", and suggested I needed professional help.  She further implied that what I liked was contrary to ageplay - and that I was misrepresenting myself by such self-identification.

Needless to say, our meeting ended rather quickly.

Now, I am understanding of, and interested in, the more cerebral side of ageplay - but I hadn't thought that the term included only non-sexual age regression.  To me the term is somewhat vague and encompassing.

Did I miss the latest textbook on the subject?  Has there been some secret revision to the ISFI (international stadard fetish index).  What is the distinction between age regression and ageplay?

Your comments are much appreciated.  Your learned thoughts on the taxonomy of this, even more so. 

Cheers,

p0rnioke



I agree with the woman you met with. Pretending to rape your own daughter...IS sick and disgusting...and  i'm glad she RAN quickly .



Actually, what's disgusting and sick is your hypocrisy.  To a vanilla, what you like to do is sick and disgusting, but you would understand they are projecting their values and needs on you.  And you are doing the exact same thing back.  See, that's hypcritical. 

YOU'RE A KINSKTER AT A KINK SITE--WAKE THE FUCK UP!  Giving other people shit about their kinks is painfully stupid, hypocritical, and so monumentlaly intellectually inconsistent as to boggle the mind.  Presumably you have something vaguely resembling a brain in that skull--use it.

And holy crap, can you even read?  The OP didn't say he he had fantasies about raping his daughter, he said he wanted to role-play incest stuff with a woman who isn't is his daughter.  Derrrrr.  I mean, it's fucking English, presumably your native language.  Do you have some kind of humiliation fetish where you show a complete inability to read and comprehend basic, 7th grade level English, and combine it with a repulsive need to judge other people's kinks but not your own?  If so you scored a perfect ten, sparky.

How kind of you sir...and i hope you are having a nice day....AND.....i also stand by my own personal opinion that pretending to rape your own daughter is sick and disgusting...if, sir you dont like my own personal opinion disregard it. again...thankyou for so eloquently speaking your mind, best regards........


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RE: Standard Fetish Index clarification request: ageplay - 7/28/2007 10:53:26 AM   
p0rnioke


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Status: offline 		Thanks for the numerous responses.  For clarification: 1) The age-play rape fantasy is a negotiated activity.  2) It's not about kids, at all.  3) I was subjected to incest as a child by an older sibling - and repressed the memory until it resurface in college, and although it wasn't brutal, it has certainly shaped my kink - and did so well before I even remembered the incidents.

From what I've read here, I believe that my language was not inaccurate (although the introduction to said person was not through CM, and so she could not have seen my profile here), but that we had very different ideas about the same terms.

Thanks for your input!

p0rnioke

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RE: Standard Fetish Index clarification request: ageplay - 7/28/2007 12:58:22 PM   
farieanne


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Status: offline 		This Post made me think and it also started a conversation between my Master and i which i thoroughly enjoyed.
In Oour opinion There is a VERY BIG DIFRENCE between ageplay and a Daddy Dom.
 
To Uus a Daddy Dom is a Dom who enjoys taking care of there sub in all areas much like a father does for His child. Very much like the relationship my Master and i have. i do not work nor do i drive. my Master pays all the bills and if i want something or want to go somewhere i have to ask, much like a child would. Also if i have a need i to inform my Master as soon as it come up and He sees to it, even down to making my Dr. appointments and getting my prescriptions filled. Though i do not call my Master Daddy all the time, i do from time to time call Him Daddy and He does call me lil one or baby girl.
 
Ageplay, to us, is when two consenting adults "pretend" that the sub is a child and the Dom/me is an adult this, to us, does usually extend to the bedroom though it does not have to. It can include fantasies about incest, incestuous rape, and coercion scenes. Wwe suppose the Dom/me does not always have to be the adult nor does the sub always have to be the child it just seems like, to us, it would work better this way. So it seem to Uus that the one confused about the difrence between a Daddy Dom and ageplay was the sub.
 
i have more thoughts on this and some having to do with the conversation this topic started between my Master and i but i am going to post them as responses to other peoples post.

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RE: Standard Fetish Index clarification request: ageplay - 7/28/2007 1:10:04 PM   
farieanne


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ORIGINAL: Faramir

Actually, what's disgusting and sick is your hypocrisy.  To a vanilla, what you like to do is sick and disgusting, but you would understand they are projecting their values and needs on you.  And you are doing the exact same thing back.  See, that's hypcritical. 

YOU'RE A KINSKTER AT A KINK SITE--WAKE THE FUCK UP!  Giving other people shit about their kinks is painfully stupid, hypocritical, and so monumentlaly intellectually inconsistent as to boggle the mind.  Presumably you have something vaguely resembling a brain in that skull--use it.

And holy crap, can you even read?  The OP didn't say he he had fantasies about raping his daughter, he said he wanted to role-play incest stuff with a woman who isn't is his daughter.  Derrrrr.  I mean, it's fucking English, presumably your native language.  Do you have some kind of humiliation fetish where you show a complete inability to read and comprehend basic, 7th grade level English, and combine it with a repulsive need to judge other people's kinks but not your own?  If so you scored a perfect ten, sparky.


The OP brought this very topic up between my Master and i. Most, i did not say all, people in here have what the vanilla world would call odd, kinky, or weird habbits or kinks. To many just the TPE aspect many of us "play" with is odd and makes the sub/slaves seem weak and the Dom/mes seem like bullies. Yet Wwe wish to be accepted for Oour "kinks" whatever they maybe. Some people like water sport, CBT, Scat, Knife play, needle play, roman showers, ageplay, and bestiality. Wwe agree with Faramir Sir, though He said it a bit forceful and adamantly, but who are Wwe to judge others for their Kinks?

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RE: Standard Fetish Index clarification request: ageplay - 7/28/2007 1:33:34 PM   
farieanne


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ORIGINAL: windchymes

IMO, it's better to act out a "sick and disgusting" sexual fantasy with a willing adult partner than to do it in reality with someone innocent and unwilling.


This is exactly right. i have very strong beliefs about molestation and incest of UM. Just as strongly i believe two consenting adults have a right to do as they wish between them and if they both enjoy what they are doing rather it be ageplay or knife play, or water sports then that’s between them. i would much rather see them role playing it together than acting it out for real.
 
i know there are some Ppeople out there who are going to say that role-playing it may encourage some one to do it for real. To those people who say this Yyou are possibly right. However i believe that if no one ever in the world ever participated in ageplay role-play UM's would still be preyed on. If some one is going to do this unspeakable thing they are going to do it regardless. i also believe that as likely that some one will move on from ageplay to actually doing it, it could delay the Pperson from doing it and hence save a couple UMs and it could also prevent some one else from ever feeling like they needed to do this to a real UM. Oour thoughts are not wrong it is how Wwe act and react to them that can be.

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RE: Standard Fetish Index clarification request: ageplay - 7/28/2007 5:22:21 PM   
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Speaking about Age Play... has anybody ever noticed that not too many people are trying to take some Hot 18 year old Babe.. dress them up like thier 80 year old grand ma and bang the Hell out of 'em??



HahahahahHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Omg. Quite a thought for the day.

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RE: Standard Fetish Index clarification request: ageplay - 7/28/2007 6:12:54 PM   
robertolapiedra


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ORIGINAL: p0rnioke



I met a seemingly level headed submissive who had expressed interest in ageplay and daddy-daughter roleplay - these are driving interests of my sexuality.  Discussions about our explicit sexual interests revealed this: while my fetish extends into sex in the forms of consensual incest seduction scenes, coerceion scenes, as well as incestuous rape scenes, her interest in ageplay and daddy-daughter roleplay literally stopped at the bedroom door.  She found such things "revolting", and suggested I needed professional help.  She further implied that what I liked was contrary to ageplay - and that I was misrepresenting myself by such self-identification.


p0rnioke




Hello pOrnioke. I think you just got rattled by someone who "allegedly" wanted to become your "real" daughter. Was there any talk about adoption papers?

Anyone equating what you define as an "incest kink" as being "the same" as if you were having "real" sexual relations with your daughter, is the one who needs the therapy (reality therapy).

A lot of people seem "level headed" when you first meet them...you were lucky. Maybe she just wanted to use something you said to mind fuck you, as she was not interested  in pursuing this future "partnership"..  I bet you do not feel like "insisting" right now, eh? RL.

PS: To the morality police. In BDSM, kink (most of the time) is kink. Rape fantasies and the like, are not real, they are symbols. Incest fantasies of whatever form are the same.

Some do not like piss, shit, blood, gagging, vomiting, gasping for air, mind fucking, sleeping on hard floor (or in a cage), punches, animals, making people do what they do not like to prove "something", and the list goes on. They are not "symbols" but "real", and everybody says "to each his own". But fantasies? One would pass "moral" judgment?

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RE: Standard Fetish Index clarification request: ageplay - 8/14/2007 9:02:18 PM   
FelinePersuasion


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Status: offline 		You can not claim to possibly know what ALL daddy/ babygirl relationships are about. Nor do I think you're qualifed to decide who's a true Daddy/ baby girl relationship.

They're as varied as the people who do them. Some Daddy doms have incest fantasies they like to role play and so do some baby girls, I am one of them who had incestious fantasies at one point.

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ORIGINAL: SirAlden

True babygirl/DaddyDom relationships have nothing to do with incest.


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RE: Standard Fetish Index clarification request: ageplay - 8/14/2007 9:29:28 PM   
Ysabol


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Status: offline 		My Daddy Dom and I engage in ageplay 24/7. At first, I was unfamiliar with ageplay, and thought bad things of it. But, after my Daddy explained to me exactly what he wanted, and what HE classifies as ageplay, I was ok with it.

In our ageplay relationship, I am not his "daughter." There is NO incest fantasty or rape involved. In daily life, I act like a little girl, between the ages of 14-17 or thereabouts. I talk silly, do funny things, and act like a little girl. I love being able to let my "inner child" out. Yes, we also engage in "normal" BDSM activities, and sex. But, the dynamic is NOT that I am his daughter. It's more like he's the man taking care of me.

If anyone ever wants someone friendly to discuss ageplay with, feel free to message me on the other side. My sister submissive also is engaged in ageplay 24/7 too.

Also - I do believe, like others have said here, that there are MANY definitions of ageplay. Some do NOT include sex, especially when it's mixed with age regression, and the submissive is a young child. Some DO inclide sex. Some is just play, done for various amounts of time. Some people, like me, LIVE ageplay, and don't consider it "play." There is not just one definition of ageplay - it's different for everyone.

And - for those who are expressing their views that incest of a child, or rape, or whatever is bad, and that ageplay is "sick." Yes, their reaction IS valid. They're not into this type of thing, and that's ok. But, what is NOT ok is to come into a thread about ageplay, and tell the poster that they are "sick and disgusting." It's fine to believe ageplay is "sick," but...keep it to yourself, and don't engage in it! I would never come to YOUR board, and tell you that YOU are sick and disgusting for liking YOUR kink - so, give us ageplayers the same courtesy.

Thank you A/all.


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RE: Standard Fetish Index clarification request: ageplay - 8/14/2007 9:59:11 PM   
InnocentYoungSub


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ORIGINAL: raeanha

I recently joined an age play site. Half the site encompasses erotic play, and the other half bans anything even mildly sexual, in deference to the varied ways  people use age play and/or regression.

Some folks regress to a younger age because of abuse. They're using  ageplay to go back to a safe place, before something horrible happened to them, or relive those days as a safe time. The cannot handle any sexuality in their age play whatsoever. They also have very specific definitions and rules to emphasise the fact that they are talking about the emotionally vulnerable innerchild that is part of an adult. . 


Could you give me the link to this age play site?

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RE: Standard Fetish Index clarification request: ageplay - 8/15/2007 2:05:38 PM   
FelinePersuasion


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Status: offline 		I believe she's refering to ageplay.org, Boys are a minority over there, for every100 girls there's like 2 boys that post, and there's very few parent types on the island any more it's mostly inner kids, and the parent types there was had kids already and were not looking to take on more.  Also  be forwarned it's a lot of make believbe and lets pretend we're giong to school or having a tea party or on and on and on. The backside wasn't supposed to be fore role play make believe it was supposed to be for frank discussion about ageplay and sexuality and all that backside-y stuff, but the inner kids who just wanna make lets make believe threads have run all that over, and make pretend is about the only thing that happens, except in blogs. There really isn't any more discussions or conversations, just role play threads, on both sides. And you have to wade through tons of what they call ik speak like me fwee how owd is woo?  me me no wike dat, lots of made up baby talk, to the point of excess sometimes. Sometimes some of the inner kids there never speak in anything but baby talk,

Which is why I never go there any more. I have zero use for lets pretend games, when the backside was supposed to be for adult themes, regarding ageplay c p and other topics.

< Message edited by FelinePersuasion -- 8/15/2007 2:18:13 PM >

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