zaynab
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Junkyard? chill out....
"a really significant part of the problem is whether MPD/DID *EVEN EXISTS* in the first place."
well, i don't really care what they officially call it, but everyone who knows me my entire life knows that SOMETHING is wrong with me and the psych's ruled out bipolar and schizophrenia and in 2002 told me i have DID. My entire past until the current time, fits the symptoms and history to create this but all i know is.... im glad i know SOMEONE out there has a handle on this and can tell me about it....
and it's such a coincidence that when i apply the therapy techniques for DID that it helps me tremendously. (sorry, couldn't resist the sarcasm)
"Critics state that the child abuse/recovered memories/ritual abuse/MPD panic bears all the signs of a mass mania, like the Salem Witch Trials or the New Delhi monkeyman hysteria."
that's cuz they learned more about it since the 1962 Sybil move came out, and are now sharing all that info, that's all.
"DID cannot be a real disease or it would be much more widespread."
it's not really a disease, a multiples mind is healthy, it's a dissociative disorder, and it's more widespread than previously thought, they are finding out. this is similiar to diseases and such, they don't always know every single thing about it as soon as it's discovered.
"But DID is limited to a specific place (the United States and to a much lesser extent, other Western countries exposed to the U.S. media) and time (roughly, the period from 1976 through 1996). As media coverage spiked, cases climbed. There were 200 reported cases of MPD from 1880 to 1979, and 20,000 from 1980 to 1990 [2]. Per Joan Acocella, 40,000 cases were diagnosed from 1985 to 1995."
that's cuz they now know what they are looking at.... most people with this disorder are misdiagnosed with other disorders for an average of 7 years with things such as bipolar, schizophrenia and etc. before they are properly diagnosed with DID, if they are fortunate enough to even get a proper diagnosis. In the olden days, they used to just do electric shock therapy and delete most of a person's memory to 'fix' whatever problem they had.
all this is out there on the net friends, so if you investigate about this, might want to do it thoroughly.
"Not only is DID centered in the U.S., it is centered in a few practitioners. Many mental health professionals claim that they have never seen a patient with DID."
so? that means nothing. the first psych i went to about my DID said, "we call this 'pre-school thinking' and then proceeded to tell me that Jesus will heal me. He also looked like he was going to crap himself when i told him that one of my alters told me to tell him that he said hi.
the 2nd psych told me that i most definitely did have alters but they left. (i only saw her for one session of 45 minutes). i imagined my alters packing their little suitcases and walking out of my brain.
the 3rd psych is a DID therapist as well as PTSD, etc. and all that she says matches very closely with most of the sites re: DID.
"by lavishing attention and care on persons diagnosed with DID/MPD, we reward them for the supposed disease. For example, multiples often present with child selves. By enacting a childlike role, multiples can demand to be treated with the indulgence we afford to real children. This behavior is especially noticeable on the Internet, where diagnosed MPD/DID multiples who congregate in online forums express themselves using the speech patterns of their "littles"."
my therapist never lavishes me with any of this... or anyone else. im always treated as me, the host. well, no... i take that back, when my alter "old n' creaky" is out, and everyone in my house can hear my joints popping real loud and i walk kinda cripply, they dont mind if i lay down for a few hours until i feel better... that's about as much lavishing as i get for my alters....
matter of fact, my family takes advantage of my alters! lol.... i do so much friggen work at my house... im supposed to be the tired worn out middle aged wife and mother.... but i have to do a lot of work men should do.... i loved our side home construction business we had but im sure glad i dont have to help shingle roofs, build decks and fill french drain trenches with 5 tons of gravel anymore!
and as for the multiples "littles" communicating on message boards.... i mentioned that in my first few messages on this thread, im glad those folks can find some joy but that's the main reason i don't go to those message boards! garbled typing means nothing to me.
"although why collarme forums should be a particularly good place to discuss such issues still remains a mystery...forums where some participants were given enough latitude on discussing the possible disorder to effectively convert the forum into one where almost the only thing being discussed was MPD/DID."
argh! ok, let's drop the topic then and talk about cleaning wood floors or politics.... ! i might just have to bail out on this thread soon because i think your right!
"Right there she claims that she both takes "full responsibility" for her actions, but that she also stays in most of the time because she fears "constantly embarrassing" herself and her family."
well, hold on.... the first 8 years of my hermitization was because i've been victimized by so many friggen people in my life, i had enough... and knowing that i'm niave and trusting and all that great stuff that the sharks just LOVE, i guessed i would have to change into a mean, nasty, bitch to defend myself or stay nice and just stay home away from them.
also, i believe being a "stay at home" mother is very important for my kids and i am glad that i did because they all turned out fantastic. having home businesses and staying at home was a great way for me to still work, still care for my home and family and still be here any time my kids needed me.
the last 2 years, after i was diagnosed with DID, i stayed a hermit because i love it. but i will admit that my alters blurt out things or do things that i dont like, but we're working on that.
"her behavior is actually uncontrollable based on the symptoms of the disorder. Given that, I am not at all clear how she means that she takes "full responsibility" for something simultaneously beyond her control."
yea, when alters come out to visit, i dont have control most of those times, but they're learning to behave themselves.... let's remember here, that the alters are still me, just a me that im not conscious of lol... and i think i am taking responsibility for all of this...
i go to weekly therapy, im retiring one of my home businesses to give me more time to forge ahead with therapy at home with my alters, im keeping them from embarrassing my family by saying stupid things in public and etc., im even starting to address my alters' different sexual preferences... hahaha
"If someone does something incorrect or rude and gets called out for it I would think that the best result would be an apology and the assertion that the undesirable behavior will not be repeated. That's taking "full responsibility" for something."
me too, that's exactly what i do.... few weeks ago, we were at my son's new apartment, standing there with him, his fiance, her sister and his future mother-in-law... i know her fairly well, visited her more than several times... everyone was shocked when i held out my hand to shake hers and said "hi, i don't know if we've met.... my name is zaynab, what's yours?" my son and Dom were embarrassed... so was i.... later, i apologized to my son, but he knew what that was about and brushed it off... i also talked with the his future mother-in-law, told her i felt bad because of course i remember her, just have my memory problems, she brushed it off and we had a great talk (she knows i have DID).
"If someone is just possibly going to repeat the behavior because that person is basically out of control, I am not sure I see the point of anything they might say or do - anything might happen."
hope you arent referring to me personally, here, junkyard. because i always address my behavior both good and bad and always try to improve on it... and by the way, singletons repeat behaviors because they are frequently out of control... so this is not a point that relates only to multiples, ya know.
"I certainly wouldn't play with a person with MPD/DID as I think within the concept of consensual it is implicit that the participants consenting are capable of doing so, and mental capacity factors in very heavily."
well, ive got big news for you, junkyard, you've probably already played with a multiple, they are everywhere and look almost like singletons, but if you look closely on the bottom of their left foot, there's a little tiny "M" printed real small on their heel, for the word "multiple".
"Can a person with MPD/DID ethically consent?
i think they can, after they have a group meeting with all of their alters and take a vote about whatever it is they are consenting to.
(not being sarcastic here).
Is such a person able to control themselves to the degree that they can legally consent to anything?"
probably a lot more than a person with a temper problem or an immaturity problem, or a drinking problem... etc.
"If they can control themselves enough to consent, why can't they control other behaviors?"
junkyard, get a grip..... it's ok......
"This is a problem so controversial, so vague, so poorly understood, so suspiciously possibly nonexistent that I really fail to understand how it can be addressed in casual conversation. I would say it is uniquely unlike most other mental illnesses in that regard."
you sure seem to be enjoying this conversation about it quite a lot, junkyard, and there's nothing wrong with that.
"...a suitable subject for casual conversation, and it being a suitable subject for these specific forums...."
ok, let's change the subject then....
uhmmm..... here's one... isn't it absolutely amazing to think of how complicated it would be for a multiple to try to address the different alters sex lives?" lol... sorry but my attention span with this thread is literally gone! i dont mean to duck out on everyone but i do have a life to live.... i'm sure my Dom will be interested in keeping up with it though.
thanks to all who contributed! ~ zay
< Message edited by zaynab -- 7/21/2005 6:59:15 AM >
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