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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/25/2007 11:09:57 AM   
celticlord2112


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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

The school "settled" by firing the teacher but no attorney would take the case because they didn't want to a part of suing a school. I was hoping for a big settlement so I could use the money to pay for ABA therapy. ABA is the best chance an autistic child has of learning to speak, but it's so expensive only the extremely wealthy can afford it.


Hardly a fit settlement. 

Never having had to nurture an autistic child, I'm ignorant of much about the condition.  What is ABA therapy?


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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/25/2007 11:41:35 AM   
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I think ABA stands for Applied Behavior Analysis. I thought about doing it myself but can't even take classes for it without having a Master's degree. ABA consists of a specialist working with the child 20-40 hours a week and the results are truly amazing. According to the tv special I viewed, this costs about $80,000 for a year of therapy..

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/25/2007 3:53:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

http://www.understandingadhd.com/?spg=PPC&sky=hgy|goo|understandingadhd|adhd|adhd+general+words

I have been asked to Google ADHD so I did just that and picked at random the above site and clicked on detecting ADHD in children
A serious video "documentary" of the type I have described, but which would be rubbished by Celticlord if it didnt support his beliefs "came up"

Note that in the middle of the video one of the clinicians has to assume that ADHD has been present in the children but it only becomes manifest AFTER the parents have exerted a phsychological impact. Convenient or what !

Note also, and most important,  that at least one clinician points out that different methods of top down family behaviour patterns need to be taught. ie the parents need to alter their method of child rearing.
Isn't that what I have been saying ?

Adding:
Listen carefully to what the female clinician says, she comes as close as it is possible to be to admitting that the condition is "learned"  as a consequence of inappropriate family dynamics. NO?


Definitely NO.  And until You have personally observed the dynamics of every single family claiming to have a child with one of the disorders listed here, You cannot possibly know for a fact that so-called "bad parenting" is responsible, whether malicious or accidental.  I already said You were right about overdiagnosis, but to say such conditions are fictitious is, as stated earlier in this thread, bigoted.  I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this topic.
 
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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/25/2007 7:03:02 PM   
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i can't even begin to address the ignorance of a certain poster without getting overly passionate about it...as someone who is bipolar, with ptsd and did and possibly add (that one is unsure) i have a lovely time dealing with people who have no clue about what they can't sense (see, smell, touch, hear, taste) therefore it must not exist...oh and we'll go ahead and add migraines and non-obstructive sleep apnea in there for fun (no loosing weight will not help me sleep better, its not my weight that makes me stop breathing, its the fact that my brain quits telling me to breath...at 24 years old, i found out i've had the symptoms for oooh around 20 years, its a wonder i am still alive)...i have learned that if these people are ever going to realize that i am not just making it up for attention, its not gonna be me that helps them wake up, so its just banging my head against a brick wall to even try...

but thats not the point of my post

i wanted to post because i wanted to say i am so proud of the parents out there who are fighting for their children...its a long hard thankless job, i wish my mom had been well enough to do it for me...but we come from a long line of mental illness that doesn't generally get taken care of till your 40's...my dad can't even physically protect me against his brother (but thats another ptsd post) so i don't expect anything from him.....so....thats what i wanted to say GOOD JOB...keep it up...especially durring those hard times when us 15 to 20..25?...longer? year olds say "i hate you, leave me alone" and the like...

take care
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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/26/2007 8:16:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JerseyKrissi72

I have a son with autism as many people already know. When I was growing up I had alot of emotional issues and was in a special class to deal with them for a few years- now, most public schools here do not have the means to teach special needs children within their schools..why is this? I think every school should be equipped to meet the needs of ALL their children...


The first part of this reply is to JerseyKrissi. I am surprised that your district does not have anything for your son. They cannot even teach students with mental impairments or learning disabilities? That shocks me because legally all school districts are supposed to be able to service these students. Not only service them but service them in their home school. It is why our county had to restructure and move a lot of our special education students around. It is not common these days for teachers to have a certification in autism (At least not that I am aware of and I speak to a # of teachers from many places). In our county there are only a handful of us who are actually holding a certification. If I were you I would follow the advice that was given to you about looking into the legal ramifications to the school. I can tell you that here, if we had to admit we could not service a child in our school then we would be forced to pay the expense of sending him someplace that could. Which may be why they keep giving me new students.

Now I am randomly commenting on some other things I read in this thread:

My first Master has aspergers syndrom and he was a highly intelligent man. Aspergers is a high functioning autism. For some reason my co-workers seem to think my students with autism lack mental ability. I always have to explain to them that autism effects verbal and non-verbal communication skills, social interaction, and often creative types of play. When they find out that some of my students are on or above grade level they seem surprised. Temple Grandin was a non-verbal child with autism. The doctors and teachers wanted to put her in an institution. Today she is Dr. Temple Grandin. She is a professor, author and speaker on the subject of autism. The woman was a child they did not know what to do with, she could not speak...and today she holds a PHD. So for anyone to say changes cannot occur they need to only look as far as this woman!

I have one student who does ABA. He is very intelligent and the ABA is working on some levels and not on others. I do not know his ABA trainers though, perhaps part of it is them.

As for many of them being unaffectionate, I find that to be not true in my classroom. My students seem to be affectionate with me to some degree, maybe just not the way we think of affection. I have 8 students in my classroom and of that 8, six of them have autism. I wear a lot of velvet in the winter, one of my girls will not even come near me. She hates the feeling of it. I could go on for paragraphs talking about each of them, they all mean a lot to me. That is not to say 6 of them at a time is not trying, but when you are able to reach one of them and he begins to actually come to you for conversation without prompting, or another one uses his device to tell you he wants a drink rather than scream you almost want to cry. And some teachers can't understand what they did that was such a big deal, as they stare at you clapping your hands and hugging this kid in praise. One other comment I would like to make is that I think some people are so quick to say these children need to be changed. When I say that I mean their quirks. I hear this a lot from some of the other teachers. What I am confused about is why? Why can't they accept them in spite of the quirks? I find a lot of times that is why they are not wanted in the regular education classrooms. They feel the students are disruptive. But what they find as disruptive is often the way he calms himself or expresses himself. I don't know, its getting late and I'm tired so maybe I am just not making sense anymore.

I hope the woman with duct tape never teaches again.

And I am a mother of one 16 year old who is an honor student, cheerleader, dancer and all around good girl. Very independent and level headed. I also raised a boy who is 12 years old. They are night and day. My son was diagnosed with ADHD in 5th grade. It was something I fought for three years. Even when he was little people would make jokes that he had it. My first job was teaching students with learning disabilities, behavior disorders and ADHD so I knew about it and had some students I felt were misdiagnosed but I am not a doctor. I didn't want that to be my son. In fifth grade I finally faced it and we started dealing with it. I did nothing that I can think of differently with him than I did my daughter. They both lived the same life and dealt with the same hardships. We all handle things differently. I am not a perfect mother, sometimes I say I can do so much for my students and not even reach my own child. My point is that doctors can make mistakes and maybe there are a whole slew of things that could have or should have been done differently but what my son deals with is real to him for whatever reason and I have learned to not worry about what anyone else thinks. What matters to me is my son. So if people think I did a bad job raising him, and I am sure many do, then its okay. They don't live in my house and they do not know us. I have to worry about the things that are worth my worry.

I think I covered everything that was on my mind from what I read. I wish you the best of luck (to the OP). Please look into the legal aspects of the advice others gave you!

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/27/2007 10:16:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

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ORIGINAL: DreamyLadySnow

I'm glad I went to school when I did. Ok nothing was perfect but we were responsible for ourselves, we (mostly) behaved in school, I was placed with kids at or around  my level and I actually learned.

LS

Back when I went to school kids were expelled for behavior we now know is caused by medical issues such as ADHD. Kids with physical handicaps were not accepted and those with mental/emotional needs were deliberately set up to fail be pushed to drop out or be expelled.
It's easy to teach if you only teach the ones who can learn with minimal help.

ADHD: Wouldnt this be better described as...
My parents have got very little idea how to bring up children and no idea at all of the need for firm fair consistant discipline.  I live on chips (frenchfries) sweet drinks and hamburgers. which I enjoy OK?
When my behaviour becomes wild uncontrolled and  irrational gullible self serving highly paid professionals then say I've got ADHD.


Not in my family. I'm fourth generation mood disorder, my oldest is fifth generation. I know my great grandfather didn't live off of chips and hamburgers. I've never seen my dad eat a potato chip.

Prior to my generation, there's been a suicide in every generation of the last three. Depression, ADHD, anxiety disorder, bipolar, high functioning autism, oppositional behavioral disorder, sensory integration disorder to name a few. And mood disorders never come singly. The medical term is comorbid.

My bipolar oldest can't eat anything with any spice, her first cousin autism spectrum can't eat anything bland. They both suffer from sensory integration, manifesting totally opposite.

And the ADHD? It's the precursor to every other mood disorder I know of. I've known almost nobody with it who doesn't later on develop other disorders come puberty.

My dad's 80, ADHD and anxiety. I'm 52, depression, anxiety, non hyperactive ADD. My now 18 year old? ADHD, sensory integration, anxiety, and the most rare and severe form of bipolar. 20 year old nephew? ADHD, sensory integration, high functioning autism.  See a pattern here?

But don't ask me. Ask an adolescent psychiatrist or a pediatric neurologist. My oldest has been under the care of both. And the pediatric neurologist? He's a professor in the field at Columbia Presbyterian Medical School and severely ADHD himself. I don't think he lives off of coke and chips either.

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