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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 6:33:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Hello Cyndi - the font problem is probably my doing...as you posted my quote!

I simply do not see your submission or anyone elses as selfless. You gain from the arrangement in some way or another. When you gain, negative or positive when you have consented means that you are doing so to achieve something - regardless of anyone and anything else.
That is selfishness.

Only the enlightened are selfless.

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the dark
...thank you for your response : )
this response makes sense to me...
yes, in its most innocent and simplistic intention> I do gain from the arrangement....if for no other reason, a "place for my submission" ..

I suppose what I wrinkled at> was the "negative conotation" that seems to follow the term selfishness...
even the book definition of it is negative and filled with " me me me" ideals...( which I guess was what I was really rejecting/questioning in my feelings about my personal submission) ..

thanks the dark : )

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 6:34:17 AM

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I realize that for some the "One True Way" is intrinsically a selfish path, and anyone who strays from the One True Way is merely "overrated, boring and unrealistic".

Fortunately for those who are selfless, not all of us believe in the One True (Selfish) Way.

And so by logical inference, you believe in the converse : the One True (Selfless) Way.

There is no logic in that statement.

I have clearly said this is "my paradigm" for the master/slave relationship.

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It is a fuzzy logic though, based on the precept of the human mind. A Dom/me who fully and firmly believes in their own mind that isolating his/her sub/slave from others is the right way to go, and convinces their sub/slave that this will in fact make them a better sub/slave (which the sub/slave has said they desire to become) may end up causing harm. The Dom/me thought they were doing the "right" thing (striving to help their sub/slave achieve perfection), and yet clearly it was not. There will always be argument and counter-argument on such fuzzy concepts.

Is this any different than the logic society uses to promote the Nanny state where 'Nanny knows Best' is the motto?

What you've described could be repeated for any kink you wish to name. What if the Dom/me advises -any- course of action with the best of intentions, only to discover things go awry?

Are we to believe selfish dom/mes are less likely to make that mistake than selfless ones?

That those who put their own interests first are less likely to make a damaging decision than those who place the well being of their slaves first?

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but anyone wishing to find out is free to try it and see.

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 6:36:52 AM

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Yes...Bob..You should have dumped your dying wife. Thank God you didn't...Because then you couldn't parade her memory out here for all to see. Many people out here have experienced loss.

Rarely have they mentioned their dead partner with the frequency that you do.

I can just imagine what your "new" slave will get to enjoy...

"You know, my dead wife didn't blow me like that."

"You know, my dead wife didn't shit during anal."

"You know, My dead wife allowed me to have several women at the same time...And she loved to eat pussy!"

The woman was a saint for tolerating you for as long as you two were together.....Maybe it wasn't cancer...Maybe she just quit.

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 6:40:48 AM

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What I don't understand about Bob is why he keeps parading his deceased family out for us to look at. And why he thinks he is special because he stood beside his wife and raised his son. Um, isn't that what you are supposed to do?

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 6:42:06 AM

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You guys might also consider just leaving a topic alone if it offends you so much.

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 6:42:42 AM

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Where did I say I was offended? I enjoy watching people fulfill their kinks.

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 6:47:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: Cyntilating

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Hello Cyndi - the font problem is probably my doing...as you posted my quote!

I simply do not see your submission or anyone elses as selfless. You gain from the arrangement in some way or another. When you gain, negative or positive when you have consented means that you are doing so to achieve something - regardless of anyone and anything else.
That is selfishness.

Only the enlightened are selfless.

Peace
the.dark.

the dark
...thank you for your response : )
this response makes sense to me...
yes, in its most innocent and simplistic intention> I do gain from the arrangement....if for no other reason, a "place for my submission" ..

I suppose what I wrinkled at> was the "negative conotation" that seems to follow the term selfishness...
even the book definition of it is negative and filled with " me me me" ideals...( which I guess was what I was really rejecting/questioning in my feelings about my personal submission) ..

thanks the dark : )

Despite what dark claims, Cyndi, "selflessness" is not an absolute condition, but a comparative state: "selfless" compared to what?

I recognize there are those who are more selfless than I, because they can give of themselves in ways I cannot. Thus my love and respect for them.

According to dark, selfless people are undesirable, apparently because they are "perfect" and "enlightened".

dark does not appear to recognize that becoming selfless is a process, and predicts (without experience) that completing that process renders one undesirable.

I find it rather ridiculous to suggest that if selfishness is desirable, then selfish masters would find selfless slaves to be undesirable. Defies all reason.

It also defies all reason to think selfless slaves would desire a selfish master who will not consider their needs (note the word "needs", not "desires") first.

We have Stephann's example to show us what the selfish 'master' would do if the selfless "partner" developed cancer.

Want to selflessly serve someone who dumps you because your cancer means you're no fun for the 'master' anymore and he has to worry about himself first?

I find it hard to imagine anyone saying yes to that too.

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 6:50:23 AM

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You guys might also consider just leaving a topic alone if it offends you so much.

What you are witnessing is the "whatever Bob says must be wrong" syndrome.

Get used to it, amongst the obsessed it is their favourite pastime.

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 6:53:12 AM

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You guys might also consider just leaving a topic alone if it offends you so much.

What you are witnessing is the "whatever Bob says must be wrong" syndrome.

Get used to it, amongst the obsessed it is their favourite pastime.

Actually, it's more likely that bob can't seem to fathom that other people think and view life differently than he does.

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 6:55:17 AM

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Yanno, Bob, I really don't think that's it. It's more the way in which you write. You do say that X is only your opinion but then, it seems to me, you strongly debate everyone who has a differing opinion, to the point that it seems that if they don't hold your opinion, then they are wrong. It's fine to have an opinion about whatever, but everyone is entitled to his or her own.

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 6:57:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

You guys might also consider just leaving a topic alone if it offends you so much.

What you are witnessing is the "whatever Bob says must be wrong" syndrome.

Get used to it, amongst the obsessed it is their favourite pastime.

Actually, it's more likely that bob can't seem to fathom that other people think and view life differently than he does.

Actually, I believe selfish people deserve one another just as I believe selfless people deserve one another.

Both represent balanced dynamics.

I feel sorry for the selfless sub/slave who is caught up with the selfish dom/master. There is no balance in the dynamic.

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That you never really lived?

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 6:58:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

You guys might also consider just leaving a topic alone if it offends you so much.

What you are witnessing is the "whatever Bob says must be wrong" syndrome.

Get used to it, amongst the obsessed it is their favourite pastime.

I know. It's always fun to feel better about yourself by tearing others down. Very mature.

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 7:00:52 AM

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Hey bob...you wouldn't happen to have a dog named Precious and you don't happen to ask your perfect slave to rub the lotion on it's skin, do you?
You are one strange guy who I would not want to run into on a forest path.
Put me back on block because you are like talking to a wall.

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 7:01:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

You guys might also consider just leaving a topic alone if it offends you so much.

What you are witnessing is the "whatever Bob says must be wrong" syndrome.

Get used to it, amongst the obsessed it is their favourite pastime.

I know. It's always fun to feel better about yourself by tearing others down. Very mature.

As opposed to your posts?

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Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 7:04:22 AM

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RRafe, as you and Bob are entitled to your opinions, we are entitled to ours and, unless anyone violates the TOS, they can pretty much post whatever they want. All the bitching in the world aint gonna stop that.

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 7:08:17 AM

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What I don't understand about Bob is why he keeps parading his deceased family out for us to look at. And why he thinks he is special because he stood beside his wife and raised his son. Um, isn't that what you are supposed to do?

It would seem that there is alot more healing that needs to take place...

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 7:11:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

You guys might also consider just leaving a topic alone if it offends you so much.

What you are witnessing is the "whatever Bob says must be wrong" syndrome.

Get used to it, amongst the obsessed it is their favourite pastime.

I know. It's always fun to feel better about yourself by tearing others down. Very mature.

I've seen this on every board I've participated on. It is inevitable those prone to obsessive-compulsive behaviour will pick me as a target.

<shrug>

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That you never really lived?

Or there was so much living left to do?

For those interested: pics and poetry have been added to my profile.

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 7:14:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

You guys might also consider just leaving a topic alone if it offends you so much.

What you are witnessing is the "whatever Bob says must be wrong" syndrome.

Get used to it, amongst the obsessed it is their favourite pastime.

I know. It's always fun to feel better about yourself by tearing others down. Very mature.

I've seen this on every board I've participated on. It is inevitable those prone to obsessive-compulsive behaviour will pick me as a target.

<shrug>

If you've seen this on every board then have you ever considered that it's you and not everyone else that has a communication problem.

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 7:14:55 AM

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Hey bob...you wouldn't happen to have a dog named Precious and you don't happen to ask your perfect slave to rub the lotion on it's skin, do you?
You are one strange guy who I would not want to run into on a forest path.
Put me back on block because you are like talking to a wall.

:::Precciousssss come here girl, precioussssss::::

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RE: "Love Reign O'er Me" - 9/1/2007 7:15:42 AM

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I think it's really nice of you all to encourage bob and increase his chances of finding his dreams-by keeping his topics active. Well done!

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