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AquaticSub -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:29:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: came4U Pure slavery, is how I view 24/7. And I am sorry if I offended others by unintentionally viewing it as 'disabling' for a gal in that position. If you are happy at and in your situation, I salute your sucessful happiness. I do not think anyone is offended, but I do feel compelled to say that pure slavery (to me) is simply doing what your owner wants. If Valyraen wants to dress me in diamond-encrusted ball gowns, have me dance all night, sip the best wines and spend my days lounging by the pool... that is what he wants. If he wants me to spend my days cleaning the house, wearing nothing but a smile that is what he wants. It varies so greatly from owner to owner.

missturbation -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:30:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl So firstly what is your definition of 24/7? 24/7/365 (or 366 during leap year) with someone Secondly do you think it really is possible to live the dynamics 24/7? well, i wish i could however i have UMs to take to and from school, a life in the radio/media biz, and other activities/interests that don't involve D/s dynamic. i can't dress in my leather corset and heels with the UMs in plain sight in public - please let's get real ...there's a time and place for that and it's certainly not walking towards a private school. [:D] see this is what i mean, life gets in the way of life !

AquaticSub -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:32:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation quote: ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl So firstly what is your definition of 24/7? 24/7/365 (or 366 during leap year) with someone Secondly do you think it really is possible to live the dynamics 24/7? well, i wish i could however i have UMs to take to and from school, a life in the radio/media biz, and other activities/interests that don't involve D/s dynamic. i can't dress in my leather corset and heels with the UMs in plain sight in public - please let's get real ...there's a time and place for that and it's certainly not walking towards a private school. [:D] see this is what i mean, life gets in the way of life ! Only if you believe you are only submissive while dressed in leather corsets. I don't change with what I'm wearing or what I'm doing. I am still his while I am teaching children how to kick and punch. I am still his while I am being deferred to because of my knowledge.

missturbation -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:35:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation quote: ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl So firstly what is your definition of 24/7? 24/7/365 (or 366 during leap year) with someone Secondly do you think it really is possible to live the dynamics 24/7? well, i wish i could however i have UMs to take to and from school, a life in the radio/media biz, and other activities/interests that don't involve D/s dynamic. i can't dress in my leather corset and heels with the UMs in plain sight in public - please let's get real ...there's a time and place for that and it's certainly not walking towards a private school. [:D] see this is what i mean, life gets in the way of life ! Only if you believe you are only submissive while dressed in leather corsets. I don't change with what I'm wearing or what I'm doing. Not at all and that is not what i meant. However there are times when if Sir rang and said 'do this' that it just would not be possible etc. That is what i mean by life gets in the way of life. I cannot always be his 100% devoted submissive because i have other responsibilities.

AquaticSub -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:38:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Not at all and that is not what i meant. However there are times when if Sir rang and said 'do this' that it just would not be possible etc. That is what i mean by life gets in the way of life. I cannot always be his 100% devoted submissive because i have other responsibilities. Which is why we have a tiered system of orders. It is perfectly acceptable for me to say "I can't do this because I have class (college or martial arts)/homework/a friend was dumped and needs me/on the phone with my mother/in the middle of painting/in the middle of practicing my forms/just found out I have to fill out paperwork to graduate/etc." Even by saying that, I am doing what he wants and being his devoted Kitten by adhering to our system of priorities. Having a 24/7 d/s dynamic does not mean you think you control the world.

RCdc -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:39:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl So firstly what is your definition of 24/7? 24/7/365 (or 366 during leap year) with someone Secondly do you think it really is possible to live the dynamics 24/7? well, i wish i could however i have UMs to take to and from school, a life in the radio/media biz, and other activities/interests that don't involve D/s dynamic. i can't dress in my leather corset and heels with the UMs in plain sight in public - please let's get real ...there's a time and place for that and it's certainly not walking towards a private school. If BDSM is simply yummy corsets and groovy heels - then fine. But its not all leather clothing and whips for some people, it's authority transfere - some people don;t get off on the whole clothing shit - BDSM isnt just visual fetish. Thats a myth really that BDSM is all PVC and tight lacing. For some people - body modification is BDSM - for others its not. And for the record - I do wear my corset in front of the children. I have even attended a school concert in one - but what on earth does wearing a corset offend or even display BDSM? Too anyone else, it's simply a corset - and a fucking fine looking one at that. Peace the.dark.

kyraofMists -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:41:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Not at all and that is not what i meant. However there are times when if Sir rang and said 'do this' that it just would not be possible etc. That is what i mean by life gets in the way of life. I cannot always be his 100% devoted submissive because i have other responsibilities. For us, he decides which responsibility will take priority in any given situation. If he calls and wants me to do something and I am in the middle of something else, I will ask to give him that information. It is then his decision on what I do first, what he called to have me do or what I was already in the middle of doing. He makes the decisions that best serves the relationship. Sometimes that means that his immediate wants have to be put on hold, but it is his decision to make. Knight's Kyra

RCdc -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:42:44 AM)
Aqua - I believe I love you....[sm=flowers.gif][:D] Peace the.dark.

Archer -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:44:07 AM)
Yet the military man CAN be recalled from leave at any time, and ordered into combat, and his Leave can only be taken with the approval of the military. Again the Monestary/ Convent applies most directly The Church and it's hierarchy rule you every day every hour. Yet there are many who view the monastic life as something they are called to do. They are Brother Francis all day every day complete with the vows, laws, rules and schedule. Wake up time prayer time work time meals time, speach restrictions, etc. Yet life at a Jesuit Monestary and life at a Benidictine Monestary are two very different things. And those that have joined the Monestary/Convent can leave. came4u, I would say your perspective is scewed by your experience to be a very narrow view, of what 24/7 is. 24/7 means the authority dynamic is there all the time not that it is used in a specific manner all the time. There are days when my slave works very hard at meanial tasks all day and half the night, there are also days when she works at creative tasks all day and half the night. There are days when her first duty to me (Her motherhood of her children) consume all the available time of a day. The perspective I take makes all the difference in the world in the mearging of life into a coheasive coherent thing, where her slavery is manifest in every aspect of her life, without consumming it. To illustrate You listed control of phone, vehicles, my clothing, my food, times I went out, I control those things as well with Elegant, having the contrrol and how I exercise it are likely very different than your experience, but don't mistake how control is weilded with not having it.

AquaticSub -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:44:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark Aqua - I believe I love you....[sm=flowers.gif][:D] Peace the.dark. Yay! I get flowers! does her happy dance I love you too! [:)]

missturbation -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:44:44 AM)
Having a 24/7 d/s dynamic does not mean you think you control the world. For some people it might. I was just interested in what peoples views were of what is 24/7. See sometimes like today i have been cleaning etc. Im in scruffy jeans, hair scraped back and i really dont want to get dressed nicely, cook a meal or even serve him. For me 24/7 would mean if he called now i may have to do all the above and its not for me. Thats not to say i want to choose when to serve him as if he called i would do as he asked but for me its sometimes nice, like today to know i can just laze for the rest of the day.

earthycouple -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:47:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Having a 24/7 d/s dynamic does not mean you think you control the world. For some people it might. I was just interested in what peoples views were of what is 24/7. See sometimes like today i have been cleaning etc. Im in scruffy jeans, hair scraped back and i really dont want to get dressed nicely, cook a meal or even serve him. For me 24/7 would mean if he called now i may have to do all the above and its not for me. Thats not to say i want to choose when to serve him as if he called i would do as he asked but for me its sometimes nice, like today to know i can just laze for the rest of the day. Then the question becomes finding someone who meshes with your day to day being. I'm much like you so a sub who expects a leather clad, make up donned super woman all the time would be sorely disappointed. I like my t shirts. I bet if you found someone on the same basic wavelengths day in and out 24/7 may not seem so "out there"

AquaticSub -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:50:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Having a 24/7 d/s dynamic does not mean you think you control the world. For some people it might. Depending on how seriously they thought that, I'd call it delusion. quote: I was just interested in what peoples views were of what is 24/7. See sometimes like today i have been cleaning etc. Im in scruffy jeans, hair scraped back and i really dont want to get dressed nicely, cook a meal or even serve him. For me 24/7 would mean if he called now i may have to do all the above and its not for me. Thats not to say i want to choose when to serve him as if he called i would do as he asked but for me its sometimes nice, like today to know i can just laze for the rest of the day. Of course. And I get to have my lazy days. I just ask for them and unless there are things that have to get done and I haven't been particularly rotten, he sees no problem in letting me have them. Long as my homework is done and there is enough food for him to have dinner and breakfast.

RCdc -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:52:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Having a 24/7 d/s dynamic does not mean you think you control the world. For some people it might. I was just interested in what peoples views were of what is 24/7. See sometimes like today i have been cleaning etc. Im in scruffy jeans, hair scraped back and i really dont want to get dressed nicely, cook a meal or even serve him. For me 24/7 would mean if he called now i may have to do all the above and its not for me. Thats not to say i want to choose when to serve him as if he called i would do as he asked but for me its sometimes nice, like today to know i can just laze for the rest of the day. Thats me right now - all scruffed up and exhausted because I have been under a pier taking photographs as well as then coming home to do my chores. If Darcy was to call me up and say 'I have tickets to a gig with some friends, and I you will come' - I would go, knowing its my 'duty' and my privilage to entertain his friends and be all I can for him. I have cleaned and created and then cooked his meals when He came home from work and made his coffee when he needed it right until bedtime then been what he needs there also - because it pleases him. He has the authority.Period. Peace the.dark.

missturbation -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:52:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kyraofMists quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Not at all and that is not what i meant. However there are times when if Sir rang and said 'do this' that it just would not be possible etc. That is what i mean by life gets in the way of life. I cannot always be his 100% devoted submissive because i have other responsibilities. For us, he decides which responsibility will take priority in any given situation. If he calls and wants me to do something and I am in the middle of something else, I will ask to give him that information. It is then his decision on what I do first, what he called to have me do or what I was already in the middle of doing. He makes the decisions that best serves the relationship. Sometimes that means that his immediate wants have to be put on hold, but it is his decision to make. Knight's Kyra Whilst i respect that dynamic in your relationship, (i have always greatly admired the relationship between yourself, KoM and Alandra) sometimes for me personally i am not able to ask his permission to put on hold a request he makes. Because of the job i do sometimes that dynamic is just not possible. For example if there is trouble or trouble brewing in the pub i work in i may not have time to lengthily explain why i cannot do something he requests straight away. I guess its the old what works for one doesnt always work for another. And cheekily i may add if it had anything to do with spiders grins i would definately be unable to fulfill straight away - just kidding [:D]

Archer -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:54:48 AM)
If I tell Elegant to do something that is "not possible due to other obligations" then it is up to me to determine which obligation takes precedent. My slave has no obligations that are not also MY obligations. ie she is not permitted to take on any new obligations without consulting me and getting my OK. Because she belongs to me and thus anything she takes on is by default my obligation. Now back to the item at hand if I direct her to do soemthing and it conflicts with some other directive I have given her then her duty is to point this out so that I can resollve the conflict in her orders. Life doesn't get in the way of our M/s dynamic because we look at the dynamic as an approach to how to live our life, all of it. From work to parenthood, to school functions to play time to family obligations, to laundry to shopping. Everything falls into the catagory of life. I designed my protocols in such a manner than they take the real world into account.

came4U -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:55:05 AM)
quote: came4u, I would say your perspective is scewed by your experience to be a very narrow view, of what 24/7 is. Exactly again! who's perspective should I view it through? my uncles? lol It is my view, MINE MINE. the OP didn't ask 'what is the general consensus, or what is Dom so n so's literal opinion, nor the Dom-manual translation. It means what it means to me. Around the clock submission. With or without being in the same room as the person (aka no free time, life revolves around the D and nothing else). Thus, why in my definition 24/7 is a total mind/body control. I am unfit for that since. It would not be a healthy situation for me. Others, consider 24/7 something milder. I will probably change my ideal of the definition personally in time. Lots and lots of time. lol

AquaticSub -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:56:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation For example if there is trouble or trouble brewing in the pub i work in i may not have time to lengthily explain why i cannot do something he requests straight away. Heh... I have answered calls from Valyraen with "Can't talk, explain later" and then hung up on him. Needless to say, this doesn't happen often. However, I've also never gotten in trouble for it because when it was explained, he completely understood why I did it and approved of my actions.

MadRabbit -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:56:20 AM)
Well, quite a thread. There has been quite a few posts from people I admire that are exceptional and at the same time, there is quite a few posts that make me wonder if the person is living on Pluto or put any thought into an "24/7 M/S relationship" past their favorite fantasy novel. Is it "really 24/7"? Is it not really "24/7"? Am I as uber and as real as all the other people who pat themselves on the back for "living this lifestyle 24/7!"? Is it impossible because you have to work a job and cant prance around the house naked in a collar 24/7? Or perhaps impossible because you cant be in control of a slave's dental habits, phone call usage, bathroom breaks, and number of pen strokes to write the letter "M" all the time 24/7? If two people are happy in a relationship, does it really matter whether it is or not is 24/7? Personally, when I hear people talk about how impossible it is to live this lifestyle 24/7, it seems to me they are focused on chasing some high placed standard or goal of "lifestyle uberness" rather than simply trying to form their own personal lifestyle that is fulfilling and provides happiness for them. If your definition of 24/7 is so high up there, that is impossible for you...well, I would say you need to change your definition of what 24/7 is. You can do that...its ok...there is no rulebook. Now for me...I define 24/7 the same way I define ownership. I have authority over all aspects of the slaves life all the time. However, this authority is simply something that is there 24/7 and not something thats constantly defined by actions. If its passive, it doesnt go away. Its simply me choosing not to exercise that authority. If its active, then thats because I want to exercise the authority, not because I have to actively make a decision for every single one of my slave's choices for that authority to be present. Sure, it would be great if I had a person on beck and call 24/7, but unfortanely the reality of the world is people have jobs and not many couples can get by without dual incomes. I certainly wont be able to support a partner who doesnt work for quite a long time. This is just simply circumstance and something I have to accept and take into account in exercising my authority and making decisions...just like I have to accept that its raining and my uber 24/7 authority decision for us to go to the beach is not going to work out. However, there is no "Eh...I dont really feel like obeying today. I'll obey tommorrow". They are always my slave 24/7...even if I have to remember that they are also an employee and a mother in addition to that. People who say "Its too hard to be a slave 24/7"...well, I dont really understand that and I really have to question how they are defining the word "slave". It seems to me that their definition of slave has more to do with a kinky, fantasy based role as opposed to a realistic and pragmatic definition of a relationship dynamic.

TotalState -> RE: 24/7 - no way!! (9/3/2007 9:58:47 AM)
Is it just me who finds this a wholly uninteresting question? I mean, in a sense all relationships that are serious are 24/7. All that's being asked is the varying degree of servitude/submission/fill-in-the-word-that-makes-you-hot in your lives. And that really differs from person to person, relationship to relationship. This whole mess of 24/7 or not, slavery or not, submission or not is just nonsense, isnt' it? It's all relative, existing in the minds of the individual, not some binary truism.

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