RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships?

Join Our Community

Collarchat.com

Home Login Search

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships?

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships?

Page: << < prev 1 2 [3] 4 5 next > >>

Login

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 5:04:29 AM

Posts: 5672
Joined: 12/19/2005
Status: offline

There is no arguing with a skeptic, so I am not going to try. There con life insurance salepeople too - but that (to me) doesn't mean all of them are crooked (and certainly not that any don't exist at all).

But I do believe in some psychic phenomena. What is the point in trying to stop me - or anyone else - from doing that? I've thought it through, and like Fox Mulder: "I want to believe" hehe. I think it's fun, and interesting.

- Susan

< Message edited by SusanofO -- 9/7/2007 5:10:31 AM >

_____________________________

"Hope is the thing with feathers,
That perches in the soul,
And sings the tune without the words,
And never stops at all". - Emily Dickinson

(in reply to tsherpet)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 5:05:31 AM

Posts: 4470
Joined: 9/23/2005
From: Cold and magickal Norway in a town near Bergen!
Status: offline

Hi Prinsexxx

You are psychic, well that explains it, i have been sitting and looking at your posts, and at your picture feeling drawn to them and i have not known why. i understand now. i very often feel others whit abilities out of the ordinary, feel a conection to them.

For me many members of my family have abilities. my grandfather was psychic, my mother is a healer, and my grand aunt and other family members have abities to. i have however had to learn myself, becouse before i started to study such things, few in my family was willing to talk much about or use their gifts, but when i started using mine, my mother begun to heal and my grandfather at least became a bit more open about his.

It have little and all inpact on my relationship. It is a part of who i am, and my Master accsept that. Somethings i know things in advance and he just say oh. It is a thing i think he value in me though.

i wish you well and i must say it is so good to meet others that are pshycic or have other ESP or abilities. Have a wonderful weekend.

_____________________________

Whatever you think you can do or believe you can do, begin it. Action has magic, grace and power in it.--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Futon torpedoes, make love not war!--Aswad

(in reply to Prinsexx)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 5:09:09 AM

Posts: 4584
Joined: 8/27/2007
Status: offline

SKEPTICS BOO!
If you need proof then that's YOUR problem. OK PROVE to me love exists???
Ok prove it doesn't.

prove to me that human relationship exists..........

if all we ever did was inside of parameters then the world would indeed be a bland grey place...but all of us existed before language, all of us existed before we could walk or talk or get ourselves to the proof that anythug other than pure sensation existed outside of self....we were all children were we not???

we all die.....and where oh where is the proof of what keeps us living, keeps us striving, keeps us giving and keeps us receiving and then if we are lucky, once or twice maybe bliss happens and we do not have words we do not have a means to lay it down in history in a form that is proof to anyone else other than the one we experienced the bliss with................no?

(in reply to tsherpet)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 5:10:48 AM

Posts: 77
Joined: 9/19/2006
Status: offline

Unlike athletic ability, pychics don't improve with training. And the "olympics" for psychics is the scientific community, but none have qualified for competition.

"laugh if you want , we dont know everything about the capabilities of the human mind."

No, but we know a hell of a lot about results. We also know how people use psychology to give the appearence of psychic powers. Those who don't understand fall back on the superstitious answers.

"But i still think there are occurrneces that cannot be explained. "

True, but not having an explaination is no excuse to make one up, or to drag one out of the dark ages. We aren't going to understand the unexplained by looking back to times when were we far more ignorant than we are now.

"With all due respect - If some skeptics ran the world, we'd have all fallen off a flat Earth by now, because Copernicus would have been burned at a stake for saying the Earth revolved around the sun."

LOL, except it is the psychics who are like the flat earthers. They are repeating old superstitions out of ignorance. Don't ever try and put fearful, ignorant superstition with the forward thinkers of the world. Not understanding the nature of their world, the ignorant made up a flat earth. Those who doubted this belief were the ones who dared challenge it and search for the truth. Supernatural powers have been steadily declining as our knowledge has increased.

"Until then, I think it's interesting to contemplate the possibilities."

Yes it is. But why limit oneself to simplistic superstitions? What we know and what is possible from that knowledge is far more fascinating than our fairytales.

(in reply to tsherpet)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 5:11:03 AM

Posts: 4470
Joined: 9/23/2005
From: Cold and magickal Norway in a town near Bergen!
Status: offline

Hi

quote:

The problem with psychic abilities is, no one ever in the history of humanity has been able to prove they exist. In a group of believers, no problems. But then groups of believers also see Jesus in tortillas. Throw a questioning mind into the mix, and psychic powers evaporate.

This is not right. Do you know how many pepole have been seceptics that are now belivers and how many controlled experiements have been done that have been sucessful on psychic phenomena in the lab. However the secptics that now belive have been showed the door in the sientific comunity and the experiements are ignored becouse it do not fit whit the current sientific paradigm, and the sientists are very afraide of that paradigem changing.

i wish you well.

_____________________________

Whatever you think you can do or believe you can do, begin it. Action has magic, grace and power in it.--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Futon torpedoes, make love not war!--Aswad

(in reply to tsherpet)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 5:15:55 AM

Posts: 5672
Joined: 12/19/2005
Status: offline

tsherpet: This is only your opinion. Millions of people disagree with you - and I suppose millions do agree with you. And so???
This proves________________(what?)

- Susan

_____________________________

"Hope is the thing with feathers,
That perches in the soul,
And sings the tune without the words,
And never stops at all". - Emily Dickinson

(in reply to nephandi)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 5:16:15 AM

Posts: 55
Joined: 5/25/2007
Status: offline

I rarely do aught but browse theses forums, having little to contribute. I would rather alow the conversation to proceed without my influence, but I feel an essential point is being overlooked. Magic and such phenominon are based on belief, but that is ok, because so is any persons entire world view. Tsherpet, could you please explain the nature of that conveyance that allows one to magically summon a quart of milk from the store which is over 5 miles away in fewer than 15 minutes? A "car" you say? How does it work, I see no horses or sail...You say you place the key in here, turn it like so (with an oh so subtle, magical twist of the wrist, I'd say, but I'm just superstitious) and it uses an elixer called "gasoline" to get you there. Interesting. So how come when I pour a little gasoline on this here rock, and twist this key in the crack there, nothing happens? Spark plugs, pistons, connecting rods, crankshaft what? Could you explain that in terms I can understand? Can anyone here, no? Fine, I'll take your word for it that it is a "machine", but I will continue to recognize it for what it is, magic.

So once you have that one digested, let's move on to a Lear Jet. Or a mass spectrometer. Or a particle accelerator. As the science becomes esoteric and the experts thin, the work they perform becomes less understandable and more like magic. It has been said that there is little difference between the scientists and magicians, save the scientists are better able to explain their tools, better able to allow the belief.

I see things, feel things. Yes I am more observant than most around me, do I interpret or feel these things? I don't care, I just want it to stop. I do not feel comfortable driving down the freeway, late at night, getting a new set of emotions every time I look into the eyes of an oncoming driver, I feel as if I may wash away. I don't care if it is psychiness or psychosis, I take measures to prevent it.

(in reply to tsherpet)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 5:20:26 AM

Posts: 4470
Joined: 9/23/2005
From: Cold and magickal Norway in a town near Bergen!
Status: offline

Hi

quote:

Unlike athletic ability, pychics don't improve with training. And the "olympics" for psychics is the scientific community, but none have qualified for competition.

You astound me whit your lack of knoweldge. Why do you think psychics train? We was not all born whit our abilities and they do inprove whit training.

i wish you well

_____________________________

Whatever you think you can do or believe you can do, begin it. Action has magic, grace and power in it.--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Futon torpedoes, make love not war!--Aswad

(in reply to tsherpet)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 5:20:29 AM

Posts: 171
Joined: 3/7/2007
Status: offline

Well to the orginal OP...I find this to be an interesting thread. I will give you credit for expressing your ability to the open forum. When inadvertinly there will always be skeptics.
I do belive in the ability to be physic. I don't need books or links telling me I'm wrong in what I believe. To each there own opnion in what they believe. If they want to see jesus in food so what. If they want to believe that aliens started this planet so be it. That also goes to all the other views expressed in this thread. At any rate I found this an interesting post to read.
To the skeptics
One last thing don't tell me what I can and cannont believe in based on your so called fact. The same principals work in the BDSM world, just becasue we don't like it doesn't make it wrong

< Message edited by kshearsecouple -- 9/7/2007 5:27:32 AM >

(in reply to tsherpet)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 5:28:44 AM

Posts: 77
Joined: 9/19/2006
Status: offline

"There is no arguing with a skeptic, so I am not going to try."

Of course there is no arguing with a sceptic. All you can do with a sceptic is prove yourself. Results not justifications, anecdotes or urban legends.

"There con life insurance salepeople too - but that (to me) doesn't mean all of them are crooked "

It is not the cons bringing the rest down. It is the all round lack of success. At least with the insurance salespeople the real ones existence can be proven.

"But I do believe in some psychic phenomena. What is the point in trying to stop me - or anyone else - from doing that?"

I'm not trying to make anyone stop believing in anything, I am merely encouraging people to think. The choice is still yours.
But in this discussion we have already seen two myths blown out of the water, so my input has not been a waste of time.

"I've thought it through, and like Fox Mulder: "I want to believe" hehe. I think it's fun, and interesting. "

Good point, people do want to believe.
It was fun and interesting for me too, when I was a kid. But investigating the claims led me to the even more interesting psychological apsects. Far more interesting than the simplistic superpower fantasies.

"If you need proof then that's YOUR problem."

Actually it's got nothing to do with the sceptics. Those who make claims are the ones requiring proof. Also if anyone really had psychic abilities then proving them would benefit humanity, so what possible reason could one have for not spending ones life trying to prove it?

"OK PROVE to me love exists???
Ok prove it doesn't. "

That is a pointless comparison. Love is a concept.
Psychics performance doesn't match their claims, it's as simple as that.

"This is not right. Do you know how many pepole have been seceptics that are now belivers and how many controlled experiements have been done that have been sucessful on psychic phenomena in the lab. "

Show me one successful controlled experiment. We have already had one person try this, and they used a failed US intelligece project. There are lots of psuedo scientific experiments, usually tied to book sales. No one has met scientific standards.

"However the secptics that now belive have been showed the door in the sientific comunity and the experiements are ignored becouse it do not fit whit the current sientific paradigm, and the sientists are very afraide of that paradigem changing."

LOL. Experiments are analysed and rejected as they do not met the standards. And the sceptics who are believers, they are few and far between. Many were never sceptics to begin with but merely use that claim to try an legitimise their position.

"i wish you well. "

I wish you a higher level of scrutiny for what falls on your ears.

(in reply to nephandi)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 5:29:04 AM

Posts: 22716
Joined: 5/7/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: tsherpet

No, but we know a hell of a lot about results. We also know how people use psychology to give the appearence of psychic powers. Those who don't understand fall back on the superstitious answers.

This is true and there will always be people who are frauds. Yet there are too many people who have abilities which haven't been fully explained by the scientific community either.
I would love for someone to to step into my shoes for a week and actually live my life during that time time as am empath. Then you you would see it is more of a curse then a blessing. Quite often I have wished I wasn't so "in tune" with the emotional state of people, as it would have made my life much easier over the years.

< Message edited by beargonewild -- 9/7/2007 5:33:08 AM >

_____________________________

Do Not Rile da Chosen Bear

Promiscuous boy you already know
That I’m all yours what you waiting for?

Resident MANWHORE ~1000 Bear pts~

10 NZ points
Whips~n~Cuffs

(in reply to tsherpet)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 5:29:08 AM

Posts: 185
Joined: 8/11/2007
Status: offline

Psychic... empathic.... insightful, in tune...

I fully believe the majority of humanity do not use all of the brains capability - I drive, and see them on the commute every day.

I believe there may be some genuine Psychics or Empaths out there... but directly to the OP, I would expect Psychics to forsee the reactions to posts that state their abilities with no doubt or hesitation, and maybe just choose to share it with those that they can sense would appreciate it... otherwise - I would sense an unfulfilled need for attention.

(in reply to kshearsecouple)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 5:31:11 AM

Posts: 5672
Joined: 12/19/2005
Status: offline

tsherpet: I have no problem thinking, I just don't happen to think what you want me to think. Sorry about that.

You have a right to think anything you want. If total skepticism works for you - then great. Please allow me the same courtesy to think whatever I want?

The Stargate project was not a "failure" - it was disbanded mostly because, from what I can gather - the government was afraid of being sued - due to how the participants were treated.

That doesn't necessarily negate the remote viewing ability of the participants - the reason they were recruited was for having that ability to begin with.

But like I said - it is obvious you have a right to believe whatever you want - and so, may I remind you, do I.

- Susan

< Message edited by SusanofO -- 9/7/2007 5:40:54 AM >

_____________________________

"Hope is the thing with feathers,
That perches in the soul,
And sings the tune without the words,
And never stops at all". - Emily Dickinson

(in reply to Redoubt)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 5:44:07 AM

Posts: 5
Joined: 12/30/2005
Status: offline

Of course this ability has been proven. It has been proven time and time again in scientific labs around the world for 30+ years now. It's called Entanglement.

_____________________________

We are on earth to evolve.

(in reply to SusanofO)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 5:46:37 AM

Posts: 77
Joined: 9/19/2006
Status: offline

"This is only your opinion. "

Actually it's not. My opinion is formed from facts.

"Millions of people disagree with you "

Are you kidding? You are suing the mindless masses as validity? People agreeing or disagreeing has more to do with beliefs. The lack of results speaks for itself.

"Tsherpet, could you please explain the nature of that conveyance that allows one to magically summon a quart of milk from the store which is over 5 miles away in fewer than 15 minutes? A "car" you say? How does it work, I see no horses or sail...You say you place the key in here, turn it like so (with an oh so subtle, magical twist of the wrist, I'd say, but I'm just superstitious) and it uses an elixer called "gasoline" to get you there. Interesting. So how come when I pour a little gasoline on this here rock, and twist this key in the crack there, nothing happens? Spark plugs, pistons, connecting rods, crankshaft what? Could you explain that in terms I can understand? Can anyone here, no? Fine, I'll take your word for it that it is a "machine", but I will continue to recognize it for what it is, magic. "

Thank you for making my point. When one is ignorant of basic knowledge one falls back on superstition. Cars are not magic, unless one has absolutely no idea of the last few centuries. All you've done is shown how ignorance causes us to reach for the simplest idea we can come up with just so we can tell ourselves we have an answer. As Asimov said "To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today". God, psychic powers, and superstition.

What you are trying to say is;
"One man’s “magic” is another man’s engineering. “Supernatural” is a null word." Robert A. Heinlein

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" Arthur C. Clarke

"So once you have that one digested, let's move on to a Lear Jet. Or a mass spectrometer. Or a particle accelerator. As the science becomes esoteric and the experts thin, the work they perform becomes less understandable and more like magic"

Not true. That is the value of scientific knowledge, anyone can follow any part of it. It requires no special rituals or powers. Just thought and effort.

"It has been said that there is little difference between the scientists and magicians, save the scientists are better able to explain their tools, better able to allow the belief."

Scientists don't pretend their knowledge is something that it is not. Magicians used to pretend palour tricks were supernatural powers, much like modern psychics.

"You astound me whit your lack of knoweldge. Why do you think psychics train? We was not all born whit our abilities and they do inprove whit training. "

Try the links in this thread. One of the reasons for the remote viewing closing down was because there was no improvement with practice. And that is common among psychics.

"I don't need books or links telling me I'm wrong in what I believe. "

Maybe if you follow up on some of the ideas express you'll understand what it is you are believing and why?

"If they want to see jesus in food so what. If they want to believe that aliens started this planet so be it."

And if they want to fly planes into buildings? Be careful defending beliefs, eventually you'll end up in a place you don't want to be.

"To the skeptics
One last thing don't tell me what I can and cannont believe in based on your so called fact. The same principals work in the BDSM world, just becasue we don't like it doesn't make it wrong "

You can believe anything you want, but your beliefs do not mean the rest of humanity has to ignore the facts. Just as other beliefs systems that have been abandoned did not make us ignore facts. The flat earth was mentioned earlier, and people were free to believe that also, but luckily those beliefs died off, not the facts.

(in reply to tsherpet)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 5:54:36 AM

Posts: 5672
Joined: 12/19/2005
Status: offline

tsherpet: Not everyone believes the same "facts" - if this is a surprise to you, then it shouldn't be. I have to wonder what you are getting out of all this arguing. Are you going to insult my religion next? I went around that block last week.

- Susan

< Message edited by SusanofO -- 9/7/2007 5:56:12 AM >

_____________________________

"Hope is the thing with feathers,
That perches in the soul,
And sings the tune without the words,
And never stops at all". - Emily Dickinson

(in reply to tsherpet)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 5:55:14 AM

Posts: 167
Joined: 5/16/2007
Status: offline

For the record: I do believe in psychic abilities (my mom exhibited them on more than one occassion). I also believe in other things that can't be seen, recorded or proved as fact. After all, that's what belief is all about. I certainly feel that being psychic, or being an empath, would play into the dynamics of any relationship- D/s, bdsm, or otherwise.

As for scientific ~facts~...have you ever noticed how many scientist's dispute the 'facts' of other scientists? Until recently it was a "fact" that our solar system had nine planets. And then there were eight...

Regarding life or civilizations on other planets, I have been intrigued by Frank Drake's Equation. While the equation has one glaring flaw (it's based solely on our existence)- I still find it a good read. For those interested it's a math equation that plugs in certain variables and estimates the probability of intelligent life on other plantes:

http://www.setileague.org/general/drake.htm

(in reply to tsherpet)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 6:00:02 AM

Posts: 77
Joined: 9/19/2006
Status: offline

"This is true and there will always be people who are frauds. Yet there are too many people who have abilities which haven't been fully explained by the scientific community either. "

You are completely missing the point. I am not talking about frauds, I am talking about the ones who believe they are psychic, but who cannot perform. Also even things which are not explained do not make the most simplistic idea from primitve days correct.

"I would love for someone to to step into my shoes for a week and actually live my life during that time time as am empath. "

How about someone recording your abilities? Ive done that amny times for "psychics", and their recollection of their abilities is always different to the recorded results. Their success gets better the more time that passes, but unfortunately the recorded results don't change over time to match.

"I have no problem thinking, I just don't happen to think what you want me to think. Sorry about that. "

I don't want you to think anything, just think. I'm not pushing any idea, except sound reasoning and proving what you think. Not for me, for yourself and the rest of humanity.

"You have a right to think anything you want. If total skepticism works for you - then great. Please allow me the same courtesy to think whatever I want? "

scepticism is a requirement for knowledge. It's not what I think, it is a necessity for understanding.

"Please allow me the same courtesy to think whatever I want? "

You can, but if your beliefs cannot stand questioning, then it is time to reassess your beliefs.

"The Stargate project was not a "failure" - it was disbanded mostly because, from what I can gather - the government was afraid of being sued - due to how the participants were treated."

Where did you come up with that? If it had been successful do you really think the US government would have stopped for any reason?
It was disbanded because of unreliability and no improvement in results after decades.

"That doesn't necessarily negate the remote viewing ability of the participants - the reason they were recruited was for having that ability to begin with. "

Lack of success does negate their ability. And the reason they were recruited was the amount of believers in the mindless masses and their own claims. They were not selcected on proven ability, just self professed ability.

"But like I said - it is obvious you have a right to believe whatever you want "

Nothing to do with what I believe, it is about lack of performance from psychics. I don't believe psychis are failures, psychics have shown they are. Their is nothing to believe in, except their success. That is the only thing which requires belief.

(in reply to tsherpet)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 6:04:53 AM

Posts: 5672
Joined: 12/19/2005
Status: offline

tsherpet: I do know how to think (trust me). I just don't have the same value system you seem to have (or think in the same way). That doesn't mean either one of us is right or wrong.

And I am sorry to disappoint - but I don't feel any particular compulsion to "prove what I think" just because you're into it. Maybe it's because I can't do it according to your standards - but I think that has pretty much been established. I think I've also pretty much established this doesn't matter to me, too.

I'm not on a "mission" - because I don't think it is my right to tell other people what to think. I think that particular idea has had some proven "value to humanity" as well - that might actually be "time tested and approved".

Apparently you think it's okay to do. Good luck with that.

- Susan

< Message edited by SusanofO -- 9/7/2007 6:09:55 AM >

_____________________________

"Hope is the thing with feathers,
That perches in the soul,
And sings the tune without the words,
And never stops at all". - Emily Dickinson

(in reply to tsherpet)

RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relat... - 9/7/2007 6:05:40 AM

Posts: 77
Joined: 9/19/2006
Status: offline

"Not everyone believes the same "facts" - if this is a surprise to you, then it shouldn't be"

What's belief got to do with it? It's called knowledge and repeatable experiments. Facts from results, beliefs from lack of results.

"I have to wonder what you are getting out of all this arguing."

Just putting reality out there for those who are interested in it.

"Are you going to insult my religion next?"

Insult? I haven't insulted anything. In fact the insults are to my, and humanities, intelligence.
If you want to talk about religion I'll deal with yours on the same level as the rest, and I'll be sticking mostly to the concept of religion, not defending or attacking one.

"As for scientific ~facts~...have you ever noticed how many scientist's dispute the 'facts' of other scientists? Until recently it was a "fact" that our solar system had nine planets. And then there were eight... "

Some things are argued about, but that doesn't support the claims of psychics. Only their own results can support their claims. Also with pluto you are tlaking about word definitions not it's existence.

(in reply to tsherpet)

Page: << < prev 1 2 [3] 4 5 next > >>

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships?

Page: << < prev 1 2 [3] 4 5 next > >>

Jump to:

New Messages	No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages	Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages	Locked w/o New Messages

Post New Thread

Reply to Message

Post New Poll

Submit Vote

Delete My Own Post

Delete My Own Thread

Rate Posts

Collarchat.com © 2024

Terms of Service

1.117