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BitaTruble -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/8/2007 11:40:29 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NefertariReborn

How long between the rage and the final goodbye?  Did he let you go easily or was there drama?  When you did leave was the adjustment a quick one or did you have to resist the urge to go back to him?


Master A failed to disclose several things to me (and, to be honest, I didn't think or know to ask a lot of questions). His medical history was a complete mystery to me. I don't know if I can explain this very well, but what and who 'he' was didn't matter to me. In the darkness that I knew, there was a whole lot of selfishness and pity to keep me company and my walls were so thick that I just didn't care about anyone else. I mean how could I when I didn't even care about myself, you know?

Anyway, he had dangerously high blood pressure (I was unaware of this) and smoked 4 packs of cigarettes a day. When I confronted him about the book, at first he denied the plagarism and insisted that he wrote those 'for me'. His logic was that as he had sat there and took the time to copy them out by hand, that was writing them.

As someone who has kept a diary for all of my life, someone to whom words were dear & only friends, his logic and excuses were anathema. We had a terrible fight and I tore his collar off my own throat and threw it at him and the louder we screamed at each other, the higher his blood pressure got until he popped a vessel and started to bleed profusely from his nose. I won't go into a lot of detail because it was pretty gross, but his advanced age, the smoking and the high blood pressure were all too much. I called 911 and they took him to the hospital. (I rode in the ambulance.) They couldn't control the bleeding and he died two days later. I carried his death as my own personal guilt for several years.

I don't know if there would have been an urge to go back since that wasn't an option but I can't deny that I've wondered sometimes and that, on a few occasions since then, I've even missed it. Not who I was back then, but the danger and thrill that came along with just not knowing what could really happen to me. With Himself, I feel loved and because of that, I never feel threatened so life with him doesn't have the fear factor that it did with Master A.

Flaws.. you work on that at a pace, you know? A scar is a scar and it can heal over, but the reminder of what caused it is always there. So far, that scar has kept me from returning. I 'think' it always will, but the human psyche is a funny thing. Today, I'm feeling good and I'm grateful for today and that's pretty much how I take things. One day at a time. The fact that those days have stretched into a considerable number of years now doesn't change my attitude about it. My hope is by not forgetting, I won't be repeating.

Celeste






velvetears -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/8/2007 1:27:39 PM)

You write so well and your words touch so deeply.  i have contempt for this man and you never really ever attacked him directly.  Your words were too kind in reference to him, but they are your words and i understand.   You spoke about being in that dark place before you even met A, and how you did not blame him.  You also spoke about taking responsibility and not getting stuck in the quagmire of self pity, i admire your strength and courage.  It's easy to blame and so much harder to look at ourselves and see our own culpubility in the situations we find ourselves in.  But once you actually do that, it's like grabbing onto a rope when your going down in quicksand, you don't drown and you are free.  Thank you so much for sharing this piece of your life.




Kimveri -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/8/2007 2:48:31 PM)

Hello, Celeste,

Thank you for your words, here & elsewhere. You touch on things near to my own experience, though of course, not the same, & inspire me to share something I wrote not long ago. Thanks for letting me know it would not constitute a "hijack" to your thread.

(While the following piece may seem a tad harsh to some, I truly hope that the reasons are clear & the whole piece is viewed with that in mind.)

I’ve written before on the idea of each person living & measuring their life by their own yardstick. It seems to me that as individuals there is no other way for us to view & judge things except through the unique lens of our own experience & understanding.  With that in mind, I sincerely believe that no two people will see, experience or react, to a situation the same way. Too many variables involved for that to occur, so…while we can, will & often must make judgments (from our unique perspective), it seems to me only prudent & reasonable to accept the possibility that we could be mistaken. No one will handle or react to circumstances in the exact same manner that another person would. We are not robots with identical programming, regardless of how many similarities we may share.

With that understood, let me get to the meat of this writing.

I am tired of the “helpless victim” mentality that pervades our world today. YES, people live through horrible, mind-boggling, traumatic events. YES, people are victimized by OTHER people. YES, such things have lasting repercussions, most of which are negative to the extreme. I am not trying to be a foolish polly-anna & insist that all things are rosy. I know, from personal experience, that bad things DO happen to good & innocent people, through little or no fault of their own. This is not my contention.

My issue is with the choices people make in the aftermath of such life-changing events.

I’ll share an example from my own life, to better illustrate the crux of the matter, as I see it. I was molested in my childhood, more than once & by more than one person. It altered my perception of men, trust, & the appropriate sorts of interaction I should seek in my future relationships. Following the final incident, I was placed in foster-care for my own safety & was fortunate to have foster-parents who provided a truly safe haven. I was also placed in several counseling programs, some more productive than others of course, & I participated in them with fervor.

That was the moment of choice. The crossroads in my life that thrust upon me a decision that would forever change the way I viewed others who had experienced similar traumas. I CHOSE to ACTIVELY participate in my own healing.

I’m sitting here wondering if I need to reiterate that….

In the group counseling sessions, I watched many of the others express their feelings of helplessness, powerlessness, & hopelessness. I decided that I was not going to resign myself to the idea that I would never heal, never get past this injury, never know a healthy relationship with a man. I shared my own terrors, my own feelings of helplessness. I also shared my sense of rage, my hunger for retribution, my craving for redress. I shared my need to take BACK power over my life, my choices, my health, be that mental, emotional or physical health. After 6 weeks, I asked my caseworker to permit me to drop the group sessions as I felt they were no longer productive & to her query of why I felt that, I replied that I did not wish to wallow in the pit of self-pity. It was time to climb out of that dark, tear-soaked pile of victims.

I did continue to see a counselor three times a week for nearly two years. In the years (ok, decades ;-D) since then, I have sought out further counseling, at various times, for various reasons.  I worked hard on recovery. I did not want validation as a victim, I wanted to take back my place as a whole person, & the only path towards that goal that existed for me was the path of the survivor.

I chose that path.

Let me assure you, I did not avoid all the traps & pitfalls along the way to where I am today. I fell prey to a few poor choices, influenced by the warping effects of what I’ve experienced. I own those mistakes. They are mine, I made them, & I learned from them. I actually value most of them a great deal, as they are the indelible marks of life’s lessons on the yardstick by which I measure my personal progress. There are some mistakes I even made more than once, especially regarding my relationships with men. However, I was not a victim in any of those situations. I was responsible for my own choice to participate, & good or bad, I learned from it. I also survived.

I look around me today at people who have experienced traumatic circumstances & I see a very stark demarcation amongst them. I look into the many pity-pits & I see the wailing, moaning, teeth-gnashing hordes of victims &  there, scattered among them,  a few brave souls, defiantly clawing their way out of the pit in which they find themselves. I’m astounded to see the many hands that grasp at them, trying with all the repressed fury of a violated human to drag those Survivors back down into the hopeless pit of victims.

I often stop & reach down to pull the Survivor up, lending my own strength, however paltry, to their upward motion, against the weight of their trauma, their scars & the seething minions of helplessness hanging from their ankles. If those few want to survive, then I feel it’s my duty to do what I can, whenever I can, to help them find a moment’s refuge. Someone did that for me, gave me that safe haven where my spirit had the calmness to see that I did, indeed, have a choice in my future. I consider it similar to the concept of “paying it forward”. It’s not because I expect something from those survivors whose hands I might hold so briefly. It’s not about what I get back for my effort. It’s about sharing with others the opportunity that I was given so long ago, the opportunity to choose. The opportunity to survive.

So, when you are there, climbing & clawing your way up out of a pit of pity, & someone’s fingernails are digging into your ankles, pulling you back down. When that feeling of despair wells up sourly in your throat & you want to cry out with rage, kicking at those “poor pitiful, lonely victims”, look up. Call out, ask for help & accept it when it reaches its hand down to you. If you have to kick loose a few victims, do so with no regret. Don’t look back & get caught in the trap of the pity-pit. Kick free, & do like me – listen for those faint calls from the survivors as they climb, & answer them whenever possible.

One day, the victim who tried so desperately to pull you back just might tire of the salty brine of the pity-pit & start climbing out, hoping for help as they feel the tenacious breath of victims on their toes. They may even cry out, & you may hear them. Do you truly think they will refuse your hand because you once, long ago, kicked them loose, in order to survive? Trust me, they’ll be damned glad that you made it! The only people who will reject you are the people who want to remain in the pity-pit. They reject anyone who proves that there’s life to live after victimization.  They reject that choice, they deny that responsibility & they won’t survive.

Make the choice, don’t look back, & pay it forward. I did, & I’m a survivor.

~Kimveri







celticlord2112 -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/8/2007 3:12:58 PM)

Reading all that has been shared here is challenging, disturbing...but very illuminating.

Potent reminders of the power we all possess to either build up or tear down those around us.  Powerful testimony of how far reaching the consequences when we choose either path.

Thank you, one and all.






MadRabbit -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/8/2007 3:57:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

Reading all that has been shared here is challenging, disturbing...but very illuminating.

Potent reminders of the power we all possess to either build up or tear down those around us.  Powerful testimony of how far reaching the consequences when we choose either path.

Thank you, one and all.





I agree. I found it to be one of the best posts I have yet to read on these forums.

Too often things like this get swept up in the simple black and logic presented endlessly here of "She consented so its ok!" that acts like a black hole for the often complicated reality of life.




sapphirepleasure -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/8/2007 4:08:10 PM)

Celeste, you've always been someone I've admired from afar, even checking out your myspace and reading your blog.  You are obviously the 'real deal' when it comes to submission/slavery, and coming from a very wise and healthy place.  Thank you so much for sharing this part of your journey.  I hope it furthered the healing path you are on.  You obviously don't harbor any bitterness, and in sharing your story, you have touched many in such a postive way. 

With gratitude,
sp




BitaTruble -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/8/2007 7:24:07 PM)

~FR~

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone for responding. The kindness of your words overwhelmed me and was an unexpected benefit to starting the thread. Thanks, especially, to ownedgirlie (for more reasons than I can say, but she knows) and to Kimveri for putting themselves out there, too. I honestly don't feel particularly courageous or brave for sharing a bit of ancient history. I mean, being self-centered and withdrawn isn't exactly the sort of person that I ever aspired to be and to have allowed that to be my truth for so many years, well, that was a pretty sucky thing to do, but, I don't think I'm sucky anymore, so it's all good. [8D]

Thanks again to everyone who shared here and to the lurkers who shared themselves in my mailbox. You guys count, too.

Celeste




gwendolyn -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/9/2007 12:58:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble





I don't know if there would have been an urge to go back since that wasn't an option but I can't deny that I've wondered sometimes and that, on a few occasions since then, I've even missed it. Not who I was back then, but the danger and thrill that came along with just not knowing what could really happen to me. With Himself, I feel loved and because of that, I never feel threatened so life with him doesn't have the fear factor that it did with Master A.

Flaws.. you work on that at a pace, you know? A scar is a scar and it can heal over, but the reminder of what caused it is always there. So far, that scar has kept me from returning. I 'think' it always will, but the human psyche is a funny thing. Today, I'm feeling good and I'm grateful for today and that's pretty much how I take things. One day at a time. The fact that those days have stretched into a considerable number of years now doesn't change my attitude about it. My hope is by not forgetting, I won't be repeating.

Celeste






This entire thread hit a nerve I'd shoved into the tiniest room in my head, but this - what you say here about 'going back'.. it's a twisted rush, living that sort of life. And somehow, in that moment, it feels almost normal. I found it a struggle just to find my way back to some semblance of real normalcy. Looking at myself in the mirror and seeing just me; without that shadow hanging over my shoulder, ready to pounce the moment I showed even a hint of happiness. In those first few months of freedom, I was terrified. I still look over my shoulder sometimes, still check my car before getting in.

I applaud you for letting others into those moments in your life. It took me years to finally let go of my own guilt and tell just one person about the things I felt the most ashamed of. They weren't my actions, but the fear of judgement was still there. I want you to know how much I admire and appreciate what you said. Thank you.

Gwen




KnightofMists -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/9/2007 7:59:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kimveri

Hello, Celeste,

Thank you for your words, here & elsewhere. You touch on things near to my own experience, though of course, not the same, & inspire me to share something I wrote not long ago. Thanks for letting me know it would not constitute a "hijack" to your thread.

(While the following piece may seem a tad harsh to some, I truly hope that the reasons are clear & the whole piece is viewed with that in mind.)

I’ve written before on the idea of each person living & measuring their life by their own yardstick. It seems to me that as individuals there is no other way for us to view & judge things except through the unique lens of our own experience & understanding.  With that in mind, I sincerely believe that no two people will see, experience or react, to a situation the same way. Too many variables involved for that to occur, so…while we can, will & often must make judgments (from our unique perspective), it seems to me only prudent & reasonable to accept the possibility that we could be mistaken. No one will handle or react to circumstances in the exact same manner that another person would. We are not robots with identical programming, regardless of how many similarities we may share.

With that understood, let me get to the meat of this writing.

I am tired of the “helpless victim” mentality that pervades our world today. YES, people live through horrible, mind-boggling, traumatic events. YES, people are victimized by OTHER people. YES, such things have lasting repercussions, most of which are negative to the extreme. I am not trying to be a foolish polly-anna & insist that all things are rosy. I know, from personal experience, that bad things DO happen to good & innocent people, through little or no fault of their own. This is not my contention.

My issue is with the choices people make in the aftermath of such life-changing events.

I’ll share an example from my own life, to better illustrate the crux of the matter, as I see it. I was molested in my childhood, more than once & by more than one person. It altered my perception of men, trust, & the appropriate sorts of interaction I should seek in my future relationships. Following the final incident, I was placed in foster-care for my own safety & was fortunate to have foster-parents who provided a truly safe haven. I was also placed in several counseling programs, some more productive than others of course, & I participated in them with fervor.

That was the moment of choice. The crossroads in my life that thrust upon me a decision that would forever change the way I viewed others who had experienced similar traumas. I CHOSE to ACTIVELY participate in my own healing.

I’m sitting here wondering if I need to reiterate that….

In the group counseling sessions, I watched many of the others express their feelings of helplessness, powerlessness, & hopelessness. I decided that I was not going to resign myself to the idea that I would never heal, never get past this injury, never know a healthy relationship with a man. I shared my own terrors, my own feelings of helplessness. I also shared my sense of rage, my hunger for retribution, my craving for redress. I shared my need to take BACK power over my life, my choices, my health, be that mental, emotional or physical health. After 6 weeks, I asked my caseworker to permit me to drop the group sessions as I felt they were no longer productive & to her query of why I felt that, I replied that I did not wish to wallow in the pit of self-pity. It was time to climb out of that dark, tear-soaked pile of victims.

I did continue to see a counselor three times a week for nearly two years. In the years (ok, decades ;-D) since then, I have sought out further counseling, at various times, for various reasons.  I worked hard on recovery. I did not want validation as a victim, I wanted to take back my place as a whole person, & the only path towards that goal that existed for me was the path of the survivor.

I chose that path.

Let me assure you, I did not avoid all the traps & pitfalls along the way to where I am today. I fell prey to a few poor choices, influenced by the warping effects of what I’ve experienced. I own those mistakes. They are mine, I made them, & I learned from them. I actually value most of them a great deal, as they are the indelible marks of life’s lessons on the yardstick by which I measure my personal progress. There are some mistakes I even made more than once, especially regarding my relationships with men. However, I was not a victim in any of those situations. I was responsible for my own choice to participate, & good or bad, I learned from it. I also survived.

I look around me today at people who have experienced traumatic circumstances & I see a very stark demarcation amongst them. I look into the many pity-pits & I see the wailing, moaning, teeth-gnashing hordes of victims &  there, scattered among them,  a few brave souls, defiantly clawing their way out of the pit in which they find themselves. I’m astounded to see the many hands that grasp at them, trying with all the repressed fury of a violated human to drag those Survivors back down into the hopeless pit of victims.

I often stop & reach down to pull the Survivor up, lending my own strength, however paltry, to their upward motion, against the weight of their trauma, their scars & the seething minions of helplessness hanging from their ankles. If those few want to survive, then I feel it’s my duty to do what I can, whenever I can, to help them find a moment’s refuge. Someone did that for me, gave me that safe haven where my spirit had the calmness to see that I did, indeed, have a choice in my future. I consider it similar to the concept of “paying it forward”. It’s not because I expect something from those survivors whose hands I might hold so briefly. It’s not about what I get back for my effort. It’s about sharing with others the opportunity that I was given so long ago, the opportunity to choose. The opportunity to survive.

So, when you are there, climbing & clawing your way up out of a pit of pity, & someone’s fingernails are digging into your ankles, pulling you back down. When that feeling of despair wells up sourly in your throat & you want to cry out with rage, kicking at those “poor pitiful, lonely victims”, look up. Call out, ask for help & accept it when it reaches its hand down to you. If you have to kick loose a few victims, do so with no regret. Don’t look back & get caught in the trap of the pity-pit. Kick free, & do like me – listen for those faint calls from the survivors as they climb, & answer them whenever possible.

One day, the victim who tried so desperately to pull you back just might tire of the salty brine of the pity-pit & start climbing out, hoping for help as they feel the tenacious breath of victims on their toes. They may even cry out, & you may hear them. Do you truly think they will refuse your hand because you once, long ago, kicked them loose, in order to survive? Trust me, they’ll be damned glad that you made it! The only people who will reject you are the people who want to remain in the pity-pit. They reject anyone who proves that there’s life to live after victimization.  They reject that choice, they deny that responsibility & they won’t survive.

Make the choice, don’t look back, & pay it forward. I did, & I’m a survivor.

~Kimveri




I quote this in whole.. just because it is so damn good!!! and hope people take a second and third look at it.

I only add... when you grab that hand that pulls you out of the pit...... that once your out... you walk on your own... don't depend on the hand to keep you out of the pit.  If you do... you never really left that pit in the first place.




RRafe -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/9/2007 8:02:57 AM)

Right. It's good to take some help once in a while.

It's bad to keep needing it forever.




LeatherBentOne -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/9/2007 8:15:45 AM)

Totally awesome post by an awesome woman.  Thank you for sharing what I know is almost impossible for one to share, despite putting it into words on a printed page.




Kimveri -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/9/2007 12:11:22 PM)

Afternoon, folks,

Howdy, KnightofMists,

quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists
I only add... when you grab that hand that pulls you out of the pit...... that once your out... you walk on your own... don't depend on the hand to keep you out of the pit.  If you do... you never really left that pit in the first place.


Thank you very much for the high praise. Also, thank you even more for a vital point that I didn't touch upon in my own writing.

Thanks once again, to you & to Celeste,

~Kimveri




glassdoll -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/9/2007 1:43:33 PM)

How can one respond without hurting a senistive pisces like yourself? The man was a bastard.  He had no right to abuse you. For the $0.02 i'm throwing in, he crossed a very marked line when eating shit entered the equation. No orgasms? 3 years? Girlie. Why weren't you out the door in the first 6 months? Your story is painful to read, but it just concludes that it is well written. Best to you. XOXOXO glassdoll




Cruelletouch -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/9/2007 1:56:40 PM)

Darling Bita,

I was happy to see all the support and comfort you received by fellow lifestylers in response to your post.  We have spoken at length about your trials during this period of time in your life and you are fully aware of my feelings about Master A.  This said, I feel compelled to reiterate some of those feelings. 

The fact that you allowed those things to happen to you is a conversation in itself and while it may have fortified you to become the incredible person you are today, the main crux of the matter is different for me.  The fact that a person like Master A can exist at all is the problem I wrestle with in this case.  He was a miserable, bitter person that used the title "Master" to justify his treatment of you and others to help mitigate the misery of his sorry, pathetic life.  I take a personal offense at his use of the title "Master".  He was not a Master.  True Masters live by a code of ethics and retain honor and integrity.  Master A was an abuser, pure and simple.  His act of endangering your well-being was nothing more than an exercise in muscle flexing, giving him some warped sense of satisfaction into forcing you to comply with his demands.  One of the major responsibilities of a Master/Mistress is to protect and care for the well-being of his or her slave.  That is a duty that you undertake when you accept a slave as your own.  Master A never had a clue. As Masters and Mistresses we all push our subs and slaves somewhat physically.  It's too easy; however, to forget that we are dealing with both the body and the psyche.  The body heals rapidly, the mind far more slowly and sometimes not at all.  As a Master, I know that I sometimes hold that psyche in my hands and I treat it delicately and with respect.  I need and want a slave with a healthy emotional base and I strive to make sure that I keep it as such.  Master A refused to acknowledge the emotions of others because he was so wrapped up in his own pity.

Through all of it, you have become an amazing woman and an incredible slave.  As a Master, I am truly blessed that I found you and couldn't have asked for a better person to serve me.  You do it with elegance, confidence and grace.  I love you.  As for Master A and his "crimes", I wonder what kind of penance he is doing now.  I always believed in the punishment fitting the crime so I think it would be appropriate if, at this moment, he is serving as satan's boy toy.  Oh yeah, and do me a favor, let's skip the Alpo tonight and just have chicken.

Love,
Master
For the rest of you,
Michael




BitaTruble -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/9/2007 4:03:05 PM)

thank you, master

i am well aware of your feelings in regard to master a and after our conversation last night, i more fully understand your thoughts on the matter and do agree with them. the injury to my hand today is going to prevent me from responding more in depth since it's so difficult to type, but suffice to say, i love you, too.

celeste




catize -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/9/2007 4:20:18 PM)

Dammit, now I'm crying, but they are happy tears for you both.




camille65 -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/9/2007 4:22:57 PM)

Amazing thread.




chey -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/9/2007 4:43:29 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: catize

Dammit, now I'm crying, but they are happy tears for you both.


I was going to say the same thing!




SweetCaleigh -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/9/2007 5:36:56 PM)

*tears*  The feelings are all too familiar.  i am greatful that i have met my former Master.  i am not sure where i would be today if it weren't for Him.  Most likely in a very deep deep hole. 

Thank you for a wonderful reminder of what He did for me.  i  never do forget Him, but this thread just re-inforces the very reasons why i LOVE Him so dearly.
*sweet caleigh*




domiguy -> RE: Feelings of worthlessness (9/9/2007 5:59:54 PM)

Wow...That is quite a story...Thank God you found out that Master A was a plagiariser or you might still be there and he might not have bled out. 

Where Kimveri speaks of introspection and taking the time to heal....To really and try and improve upon the person that she was.

The end all beat all, is that you post all of this on a bdsm site....Eating dog food or shit?  Big deal. Right now there is a thread about spitting on your sub.....

I wish people out here well....If you plan on giving those a hand who need help you better be an octupus...And you better be able to discern between those who need help and those who are happy and content and those that don't want your help.

I think although your posts could be potentially helpful for some, you do have to remember where you are posting...The question always crosses my mind as to what brings folks out here?  Is it a need that has been thought out or does it come from a darker place? 

LA makes a valid point, she found Bita's overall predicament kind of hot (paraphrasing)  ....It all gets rather blurred out here in what degree of kink is acceptable and what constitutes abuse or is icky.

If you are damaged ...Get help.  Maybe we could find a former kinkster who has been cured and is now a born again Christian to come out here and explain how all of you who participate in an unequal relationship are twisted and need help. It's all just degrees ...I hope people who approach this do it with both eyes wide open...And it comes from within not caused by the external fallout of the happenings in one's life. 

Didn't find any of this very compelling. Other than those that feel that they are not living a healthy lifestyle seek and get the help that they need.




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