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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611
There are certain people out there who try to use this event to further their own political goals. Yes, Rudy Giuliani uses 9/11 far too often in his political speeches. But the left wing also uses it to prove some sort of higher theory they suddenly came up with.....That it is America's fault. That it is our foreign policy or economic policy that provoked the attacks therefore we somehow deserved to be attacked.
And that's flawed logic. It's almost like you are letting the terrorists off the hook completely agreeing with their message of anger and violence. To tell you the truth....I DONT GIVE A DAMN what provoked them. I don't care what we did or what they think we did. You don't hijack airplanes full of innocent people crash them into buildings. Did the people on those planes have anything to do with American foreign policy? Did the people in the WTC have anything to do with American foreign policy? No! So there is absolutely no justification for killing those people.
Tim McVeigh blew up the Murrah Federal Building because of the FBI's abuse of power in Waco. Is that a justified terrorist attack? We villify that man so easily because he is a radical, white, right-wing christian. The left LOVES to vilify those people. But when it comes to Muslims hijacking airplanes....who's fault is it? America's.
If Tim McVeigh had brown skin and was a muslim....I wonder who would be blamed...
If you have read any sort of history you would know that for the last 1500 years there has been a vicious struggle between the west and Islam. And there is no sign this is changing. Frequently you hear these terrorists in their videotapes going on and on about the crusades...about the Battle of Tours. They are talking about events that go back several centuries ago. They are diving into things the United States had nothing to do with because this nation wasnt even born yet. However, the US is currently the heart and soul of the free-western world. We are also considered a Christian nation. And we are the only super-power in the world. And that makes us a very attractive target for every person who does not like the current world order. So when terrorists talk about America, they throw us into the same category as Europeans and the Roman Catholics. Notice how terrorists are right now hitting Europe even more than the US. It is because they are targetting THE WEST! Not America specifically. They hate western Europe just as much as they hate American policy.
Until religions can figure out how to get along with each other, this is the type of world we are living in. And it's not going to change.
This is exactly what I was talking about,when I replied to SusanofO`s "Can you still express feeling patriotic as a U.S. citizen?" thread.
My reply to the OP:
I feel the love of country, manifests itself in different ways for liberals and for conservatives.
I`ll use the analogy of a parent/child relationship.
First off,both love the other, deeper than can be expressed,but they are different types of "love".
A liberal,like a parent,loves their child.They praise the child when they do well.But they correct the child when wrong,guide them when they go astray,and punish them when they mis-behave.It`s tough love,and w/ out it,the child is doomed.It is the most important type of love a parent can have.
On the other hand,for the conservative,their love country is much like the love a child feels towards their parent.The love is un-questioning and without condition,right or wrong.To a child,their parent can do no wrong.
To a conservitive,their country can do no wrong.
Hell,you`re mom can be a murderer,and the 5 year old is still going to adore her.It`s like that w/ conservitives/neo-conservitives and most republicans.
So yes, you can be a patriot, and for America,and be against bush.
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Doesn`t this describe cyberdude, to a tee?
Neo-cons have been calling liberals,"blame America firsters",for years.Don`t let cyberdude611 fool you into thinking this is new.
Ever meet or know a parent who won`t believe their kid could break a window,or steal a bike?There are plenty of them,who just can`t admit that their kid is a trouble maker or a bully.Absolutely intolerable.
When a liberal/normal person points out that meddling in a foreign countries affairs has caused us trouble,neo-cons kill the debate by saying that all liberals can do is "blame America first".
LOL,doesn`t matter if a republican president fucks up our foreign policy,they(neo-cons) just suck up and brown nose them,like they were omnipotent,or without accountability.
And yes,it has been the republican presidents, that have fucked things up for the US,and created "blow-backs",like bin laden.
This is why republicans conflate America with their presidents.They say you`re criticizing America,when you`re actually pointing out how much of a loser, Regan or the Bushs were/are.
To tell you the truth....I DONT GIVE A DAMN what provoked them. I don't care what we did or what they think we did. You don't hijack airplanes full of innocent people crash them into buildings. Did the people on those planes have anything to do with American foreign policy? Did the people in the WTC have anything to do with American foreign policy? No! So there is absolutely no justification for killing those people.
That you don`t care,is clear.You have never cared.You don`t care about anyone or anything,accept yourself.This is very typical of the neo-con mindset."Fuck everyone",is their motto.You don`t care that Iraq is the biggest foreign policy disaster in history.You don`t care about the damage that`s been caused,or the future damage that this will caused.Got it...
And ,the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis that have been killed,by us?You don`t care about them either,and never have,in spite of the bogus talk about spreading freedom.
We need people who do care,who are curious and thoughtful.
We don`t need a bunch of bush collage pals and cronies,fucking things up,just to see what happens......
We need someone who picks competent,qualified in their field,accountable men and women
< Message edited by Owner59 -- 9/11/2007 9:13:18 PM >
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