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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/13/2007 10:01:34 AM

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i knew a Dom that used one of those punching ball balloons. he lubed it up, then rolled it up and put it in the pussy then he put a small funnel in the opening of the balloon and filled it with ball bearings. then to make it really interesting he would put a vibrator up snug the her pussy and turn it on. he called it the bumble bee treatment.

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I'd say continue graduating from a bigger to bigger dildo.
Remind her at the point of entry to bear down like she's having a baby.
That helps the muscles accept bigger things than they are commonly use to having in there.
Get her a baseball bat.
Have her place a condom on either end & lube it up really well.
Have her maybe do a hot striptease for you some times and fuck herself on it while dancing for you.
Make her mount it while she's showering, or as a morning or bedtime ritual each day or something on a stretching training program.
It's a reallllllyyyyyy full feeling being the wood does not give and is rigid hard the whole length, and the whole girth, the whole time..
How about a Nerf football?
You could put it in a Magnum XL condom, lube it up and stuff it in her twat.
You can buy a traffic cone and stuff a blanket or towel in it to make it more rigid and make her sit on it.
She'll gradually get it deeper and deeper as she stretches out.
Maybe get her all wound up with dildos and then have her sit on her traffic cone when you guys watch a movie.
If you play with her clit while she's mounted on the cone & remember to keep it lubed up the more she relaxes the more the fatter part of the cone will open her up.
LOL as far as pussy stuffing...
I sometimes start with one dildo or one chopstick and keep adding till I'm so full the opening's burning to the point I feel I might tear to add something else.
I've also had guys take off my dress, slip, bra (not an under wire one), hose, and panties and stuff my whole outfit in my twat.
Mmmmm that was hot.
I had someone cut a little hot sun dress off me while I was bound on a cross once.
He covered half the little dress with lube, stuffed that half of it in me, and then inserted fingers and was twisting the fabric and using the knotted part like a dildo.
If you want to be mean fill a condom pretty full and put it in the freezer.
Whew that's a cold thing that stretches you in a whole new sort of way when it's been frozen fat and full of water.
I think over all when trying to insert things her hole should have had lots of lube stuffed or squirted directly in the canal.
Try lots of lubes till you find the one that works for you.
I really like astroglide because it does not gunk up if you play for extended periods of time.
Lube & her ability to relax and just enjoy the sensation is paramount to her stretching and expanding enough to accommodate your big hand one day.
I'd also suggest instead of you forcing things in her to allow her to push herself onto things.
I find if I impale myself onto something vs it being forced in by another I run way less risk of tearing.
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Wow! Lots of food for thought here. Thanks a lot. Whether I ever fit my fist or not, I can tell I'll have a lot of fun trying.

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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/13/2007 10:48:27 AM

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i knew a Dom that used one of those punching ball balloons. he lubed it up, then rolled it up and put it in the pussy then he put a small funnel in the opening of the balloon and filled it with ball bearings. then to make it really interesting he would put a vibrator up snug the her pussy and turn it on. he called it the bumble bee treatment.

Omg, how exciting!

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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/13/2007 11:45:04 AM

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This requires a bit of work but I can tell You from first hand experience..it feels incredible.

Buy several feet of heavy (log type) chain. First make sure You are completely anal about filing every link making positive there are NO burrs left (maybe have Her do it KNOWING what it will be used for)

Test it by running very sheer fabric over it repeatedly, watching for it to snag the fabric (find those little burrs and file that puppy again)

Clean the chain very very well before use
WARM IT UP (otherwise cramps WILL occur)
lube well
insert link by link until she can hold no more...

Mistress used this on me prior to attempting to fist me and even though I've gotten to where I can take Her fist.... we still drag the chain out from time to time :)

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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/13/2007 12:31:21 PM

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Chain is a good one! 1/4" proof coil is often recommended. There's a thread here somewhere on it, but I can't seem to find it. I would strongly suggest only stainless steel. A bit on the expensive side, but much less likely to flake or cause any kind of reaction, and it is usually very smooth. Inspect it carefully.
One link at a time (lots of lube), add as much as she can take. I've had about 4' in my submissive. I've never had her that far out in subspace before (or since). And I do fist her on occasion.
Anybody know where that thread is?

Here it is -
http://www.collarchat.com/m_64352/mpage_1/key_proof%252Ccoil%252Cchain/tm.htm#64798

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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/13/2007 9:10:52 PM

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This requires a bit of work but I can tell You from first hand experience..it feels incredible.

Buy several feet of heavy (log type) chain. First make sure You are completely anal about filing every link making positive there are NO burrs left (maybe have Her do it KNOWING what it will be used for)

Test it by running very sheer fabric over it repeatedly, watching for it to snag the fabric (find those little burrs and file that puppy again)

Clean the chain very very well before use
WARM IT UP (otherwise cramps WILL occur)
lube well
insert link by link until she can hold no more...

Mistress used this on me prior to attempting to fist me and even though I've gotten to where I can take Her fist.... we still drag the chain out from time to time :)

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Chain is a good one! 1/4" proof coil is often recommended. There's a thread here somewhere on it, but I can't seem to find it. I would strongly suggest only stainless steel. A bit on the expensive side, but much less likely to flake or cause any kind of reaction, and it is usually very smooth. Inspect it carefully.
One link at a time (lots of lube), add as much as she can take. I've had about 4' in my submissive. I've never had her that far out in subspace before (or since). And I do fist her on occasion.
Anybody know where that thread is?

Here it is -
http://www.collarchat.com/m_64352/mpage_1/key_proof%252Ccoil%252Cchain/tm.htm#64798

Sweet creeping Judas! I got wood reading this stuff! LOL

mmmmmmm.... chaining

Yeah, I'm thinking this is going to be fun. Thanks a whole bunch. I don't know what I'd do without all you deviants out there.

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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/14/2007 11:32:40 AM

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mmm chains.

le pant, I forgot what the topic was now lol.

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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/14/2007 5:06:19 PM

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To the OP..Why is this surprising to you? Some women are just built small. Regardless of age, having had UM(s), sexual experience, body size, what have you. I myself am one of the tiny ones down there. I am pushing 31 and have had one UM. I have had a few that were above average in the package dept as well. Yet I am as tight as I was when I was a virgin. The idea of fisting terriefies me for the reason that I can barely get 3 of my fingers up there. A man's fist? NO WAY! Big things come out, they don't go in...

Thanks cuffnspankme! same here..and yep..age is not the issue

Are all men the same size? We all know..height, weight....have nothing to do with the genital size of men.

Why, oh why... would a man want to ...um ..ruin a good thing for himself !!! ;)

( Please... childbirth often does cause tears and needs stitches, -not to mention ceasarian sections-
- so the logic that a fist has got to fit everyone safely... no real logic there)

I can understand the appeal..the fullness and ..well..the man is really into you... but ..one size does NOT fit all.

I hope that all who can enjoy this - please do! But, please don't assume...we are all alike.

edit to add: Ok, OK... the chain thing sounds hot..and..exciting ..and that would work...

Have a nice weekend!

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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/14/2007 5:12:49 PM

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Try buying "A Hand in the Bush," by Deborah Addington. It can be purchased on Amazon for about $14 delivered.

Addington makes the claim that the size of the womas is irrevelant and I agree.

As you stated your wife had a child--while hormonal changes can cause dryness and sensitivity I'm not aware that it reduces elasticity.

My point of view is that a man (or woman) does not necessarily fist a woman--the best way is that the fister is being fist-fucked by the fistee. If she's aroused enough, and relaxed enough, the fourth finger--like magic will if she is ready, if she is relaxed, if she opens herself to it, fit in, and then the fifth. It's all about relaxation. Using large dildoes could work if done progressively, but the effect will be achieved not by "stretching," rather the effect will be achieved by "acceptance through relaxation."

Fisting is the most connected, most loving, most erotic act a couple can perform. Yet I have never fisted anyone--they have done it all--like magic, when they were ready, when the time was right, and what amazes me the most is there is never, ever, any stretching. My perception is that to engage in intercourse ten minutes after fisting that the vagina feels tighter than it did previously. The reason is that the vaginal tissue can swell quite remarkably. The vagina is a collapsed cavity--if the interior walls are engorged by arousal 10-15mm all around, the net effect is that after the vagina actually feel tighter.

In short--let her fist herself--you are simply the guide and the object--fisting should never "hurt." A delightful feeling of fullness is not hurt... Why not try to achieve the result over several years....? Think of all the fun... It's the journey up the mountain that counts--not the view at the top.

And yes, stitches from episiomtomies can be very problematic, up to the point of considering essentially surgery to correctly replace scar tissue. Episiotomies in my opinion are rarely necessary (ok there's the 4'7" Asian having a baby, whose husband is a 6' 5" marine). Episiotomies in my opinion is the sign of a carelss practitioner unwilling to use some olive oil, some gentle stroking and some patience--avoid most Obstreticians! How's this for a fact: Obstetricians perform 80% of circumcisions, while Pediatricians do about 20%. But--80% of pediatricians use anesthesia on the baby, while only 20% of the Obstretricians do. I think that says something.

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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/14/2007 9:45:04 PM

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*smiles* great job on finding that link! I was quite certain there had to be other posts out there about it but taking the time to locate one umm yea. And I must say, their instructions, and descriptions were much much better then anything I could have said.

Btw...welcome to the boards :) quit your lurking...we see you! lol

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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/15/2007 4:00:48 AM

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I never had an episiotomy for any of my um's, I ripped with the last one, but the doc left it. He said I could use the room lol. I assume it was a small tear.

I can't wait for the right man to try fisting, I agree that it is all about relaxation no matter how small one might be. Stretching (the vagina and cervix) is only temporary if a gal does kegels regularly. One finger does it for me, I get loopy. yumm. I bet with the right mood and a quiet, dominant patience it would be possible.

got my fingers crossed - LITERALLY! lol

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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/15/2007 4:06:47 AM

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I have this problem, also... in that I love fisting (being fisted), but I'm so tight, it literally takes HOURS to even get up to it... and I wind up with horrible vaginal tears (even with tons of lube!) which sometimes lead to baterical infections. It's horrible, because I love it so!

Oh, and dumb moment- what are UMs?

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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/18/2007 2:14:13 PM

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Adam&Eve has a fist-shaped dildo...probably about the size of a woman's hand.

And here I was drooling over the foot-shaped buttplugs...

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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/18/2007 2:15:59 PM

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Oh, and dumb moment- what are UMs?

CM slang for kids. "Unmentionables"

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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/18/2007 2:18:43 PM

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Aswad,

You need to check this out: http://www.RaptureVision.com

After you get there and convirm you are old enough to BE there... click 'Free Video' to enjoy the free 10-minute gem they feature this month...it seems right up yer alley!

<giggles wildly>
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Edited to add:

Wondering if it's gonna be worth it to follow the link and watch the vid-clip? It not only shows a boy enjoying a Domme "wearing him around her wrist"...but it also includes her inviting another Domme's hand inside him. Eventually...they insert a foot...a couple times. Sheeshhhhhhhhhhhhhh...it IS amazing; so was the smile on the boy's face!!!

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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/18/2007 2:54:32 PM

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Looks cute, though I'm more partial to the "OMG! Stop!" flavour. Thanks for the link, though. You might find some similar content at sicflics and Mia does a lot of it over at Sweet's place (the fisting lessons site).

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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/18/2007 2:57:59 PM

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Looks cute? OMG... At one point they had two hands in all the way to wrists...the next they had a foot up his butt!

Sheeshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... cute?

LOL,
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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/18/2007 3:05:37 PM

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What, you haven't seen "Drei Fauste im Arsch" ?

(For those who don't understand German, the title translates to "Three Fists in the Ass", which is just what it sounds like...)

Edit: Don't bother buying it, though, unless you have a thing for horrible acting, a sissymaid fistee and some really crazy German fellow. I don't, so it was generally the worst investment I ever made, although I must admit the physical feat of accomodating three fists is really Olympic material, if there were a kink category at the Olympic Games.

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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/18/2007 3:14:41 PM

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My god; the next day, did the guy's breakfast fall straight through?

I'm just askin...
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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/18/2007 6:17:03 PM

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I don't, so it was generally the worst investment I ever made, although I must admit the physical feat of accomodating three fists is really Olympic material, if there were a kink category at the Olympic Games.

Well, i think a Kink Olympics should certainly include a "largest insertable" category... probably three, anal, vaginal, and urethral. Though, if you then break up urethral into male and female, and have an additional category for women's DP (and how could you not?), with gold, silver, and bronze you'd have a total of 15 medals... That is kind of a lot.

Nevermind, i'm going to go read onestandingstill's post again.

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RE: Alternative to vaginal fisting - 9/18/2007 7:29:44 PM

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My god; the next day, did the guy's breakfast fall straight through?

I wouldn't know, sorry. Shouldn't be taking that long to retract itself, though?
Anyway, as far as I know, he's a TV dilation queen... king... whatever.
You can prolly find a free clip on the net or something.
Have a look for yourself.

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