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earthycouple -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 4:13:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: UR2Badored

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

Donna...nice pic !! 


I was thinking the same thing........very pretty.


Thanks!! to both of you *S*




MadRabbit -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 4:20:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bandit25

I think the point erin is making is valid.  prop has stated several times that she cannot function in the world, her Daddy abuses her regularly, as an example, he rapes her anally, using her blood as lube to the point where she is unable to function and she has regular unprotected sex with others, not knowing if they are going to kill her or not (and yes that has been stated in one of her posts), all at his bidding and prop has said repeatedly that he has taken steps to ensure that she is not able to leave him.  And, yes, in prop's own words, she was and may still be mentally incompetent.  I, for one, don't see consent there.  That may just be me. 

I don't see erin as making a judgment either.  She is simply using prop's past posts to make a point, that's all. 


Googling "Stockholm Syndrome" and "Battered person syndrome" might provide some insightful information...




Bobkgin -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 4:22:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: susie

I personally don't see her relationship with her "Master" as something that should be openly encouraged as being within what we normally call the "lifestyle" and I don't view it as a healthy relationship at all.




And where does that end?

Which extreme edge play gets attacked next?

And which one after that?

And the next one after that?

Props says this way works for her.

Are you trying to save her from, or condemn her for the choices she lives by?

Have you noticed she doesn't want to be saved?

So have you chosen to condemn her for it instead?

Or is this a round-about way of condemning CollarChat for not banning her posts outright?




Bobkgin -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 4:28:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Okay, so maybe I'm a french fry short of a Happy Meal, but to be consumed, bite by bite, and ingested .. to become a part of the inner workings of Michael, to have 'me' run through his veins, nourishing his body.. just thinking about it gets me hot. So there you go, death, amputation, cannabalism all rolled into one, hot, incredible last scene. What a way to go! Much better than being hit by a bus. [8D]



Not exactly how I'd like to go, but I couldn't pass it up without saying:

Dang! You've got nerves of steel to be posting that!

That's what I'd call "No Limits" in an absolute sense of the term.




kyraofMists -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 4:28:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: UR2Badored
How do you define "no limits"?
(I would appreciate opinions and views from anyone on this matter)


As being unable/unwilling to establish personal boundaries.



Hmmm... Okay, I thought my limit might have been reading 16 pages of a "no limit" thread, but it seems I have now surpassed that and read page 17 and found something very interesting to me...  *g*

I like the way that you describe what no limits means to you, Celeste. 

What do you consider to be personal boundaries?

For me, a boundary is something that if surpassed will harm me.  As a result, I don't think that we necessarly establish some of our boundaries so much as enforce/communicate them to others.  I am wondering if we are using different words to communicate the same concept. 

Knight's Kyra  




susie -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 4:31:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: susie

I personally don't see her relationship with her "Master" as something that should be openly encouraged as being within what we normally call the "lifestyle" and I don't view it as a healthy relationship at all.




And where does that end?

Which extreme edge play gets attacked next?

And which one after that?

And the next one after that?

Props says this way works for her.

Are you trying to save her from, or condemn her for the choices she lives by?

Have you noticed she doesn't want to be saved?

So have you chosen to condemn her for it instead?

Or is this a round-about way of condemning CollarChat for not banning her posts outright?



I notice that you missed the sentence that came after the one that you quoted. It said "But that is my opinion.". It is an opinion I am perfectly entitled to have and express. 

Do not be so arrogant as to make assumptions as to my motives for posting. I did not once suggest that her posts should be banned, nor did I suggest that I have any wish to save her. 

You constanly post your opinion on these fora, at least have the courtesy to allow others to express theirs.




Bobkgin -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 4:34:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: susie

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: susie

I personally don't see her relationship with her "Master" as something that should be openly encouraged as being within what we normally call the "lifestyle" and I don't view it as a healthy relationship at all.




And where does that end?

Which extreme edge play gets attacked next?

And which one after that?

And the next one after that?

Props says this way works for her.

Are you trying to save her from, or condemn her for the choices she lives by?

Have you noticed she doesn't want to be saved?

So have you chosen to condemn her for it instead?

Or is this a round-about way of condemning CollarChat for not banning her posts outright?



I notice that you missed the sentence that came after the one that you quoted. It said "But that is my opinion.". It is an opinion I am perfectly entitled to have and express. 

Do not be so arrogant as to make assumptions as to my motives for posting. I did not once suggest that her posts should be banned, nor did I suggest that I have any wish to save her. 

You constanly post your opinion on these fora, at least have the courtesy to allow others to express theirs.



I count eight questions regarding your opinion.

I see no answers.




susie -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 4:40:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: susie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: susie

I personally don't see her relationship with her "Master" as something that should be openly encouraged as being within what we normally call the "lifestyle" and I don't view it as a healthy relationship at all.




And where does that end?

Which extreme edge play gets attacked next?

And which one after that?

And the next one after that?

Props says this way works for her.

Are you trying to save her from, or condemn her for the choices she lives by?

Have you noticed she doesn't want to be saved?

So have you chosen to condemn her for it instead?

Or is this a round-about way of condemning CollarChat for not banning her posts outright?



I notice that you missed the sentence that came after the one that you quoted. It said "But that is my opinion.". It is an opinion I am perfectly entitled to have and express. 

Do not be so arrogant as to make assumptions as to my motives for posting. I did not once suggest that her posts should be banned, nor did I suggest that I have any wish to save her. 

You constanly post your opinion on these fora, at least have the courtesy to allow others to express theirs.



I count eight questions regarding your opinion.

I see no answers.


I have no intention of answering the questions you had. They are assumptions you made about my posting. YOUR assumptions.  As I said before I am entitled to my opinion and to state that opinion here just as you have done on many postings. Do not be so arrogant as to assume you are the only person here entitled to an opinion.




Bobkgin -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 4:42:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: susie

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: susie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: susie

I personally don't see her relationship with her "Master" as something that should be openly encouraged as being within what we normally call the "lifestyle" and I don't view it as a healthy relationship at all.




And where does that end?

Which extreme edge play gets attacked next?

And which one after that?

And the next one after that?

Props says this way works for her.

Are you trying to save her from, or condemn her for the choices she lives by?

Have you noticed she doesn't want to be saved?

So have you chosen to condemn her for it instead?

Or is this a round-about way of condemning CollarChat for not banning her posts outright?



I notice that you missed the sentence that came after the one that you quoted. It said "But that is my opinion.". It is an opinion I am perfectly entitled to have and express. 

Do not be so arrogant as to make assumptions as to my motives for posting. I did not once suggest that her posts should be banned, nor did I suggest that I have any wish to save her. 

You constanly post your opinion on these fora, at least have the courtesy to allow others to express theirs.



I count eight questions regarding your opinion.

I see no answers.


I have no intention of answering the questions you had. They are assumptions you made about my posting. YOUR assumptions.  As I said before I am entitled to my opinion and to state that opinion here just as you have done on many postings. Do not be so arrogant as to assume you are the only person here entitled to an opinion.


If they were assumptions I'd not have bothered writing them as questions.

I've been accused of many things, but you would be the first to accuse me of being "coy".




texancutie -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 4:53:33 PM)

Good one Domiguy...lol. 

Actually, I think Rover has some very good points that cut straight to the chase.  Love the reference to Dungeons and Dragons, was thinking that myself the other day, just in regards to the online community as a whole.

But one thing I have noticed over time, is how we all at some point throw out thinly veiled aspersions regarding how other people live their lives.  Though on the other hand, they themselves have put out really personal information out there for anybody to read anyway.  But just out of basic compassion, even though they have put themselves out there for mass public consumption, it's probably not a good idea to insinuate that another, that lives their life totally out of whatever frame of reality we may have....is mentally ill.  I may have my own opinions of things as a former Social Worker, but some things are best kept to oneself, especially if it is fairly obvious who that person is.  To me anyway, that is one area it goes just a little beyond being a friendly debate.

I guess all I can say is this, I do things people may not agree with, as much as they do things I would never think of doing. 




MadRabbit -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 4:59:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

quote:

ORIGINAL: UR2Badored
How do you define "no limits"?
(I would appreciate opinions and views from anyone on this matter)


As being unable/unwilling to establish personal boundaries.

I'm going to use the 'death is a limit' argument here since that's so popular. First of all, I think it's rather silly to list something as a 'limit' that 'is' going to happen. How can death, truly, be a limit when we are going to die? I mean, most people say a hard limit is NEVER, EVER gonna happen. It shouldn't be pushed.. it shouldn't even be put into a realm where pushing it is an option.  Death is, absolutely, postively, going to happen for ever single one of the 6+ billion people on the planet. And people that tell me that I'm mental because I have no limits? At least I'm a realist! [8D]

Maybe I'll go out tomorrow and get hit by a bus. Splat. Dead. That would suck. Maybe I'll get some fatal disease and waste away with tubes in my body in a hospital. End result, I'm dead. That'd suck, too. Maybe I'll die in my sleep.. that would suck too, because I'd like to be there to watch. Birth begins us and death ends us. What we make of the in-between is what it's all about.

I have zero desire to limit my experiences because someone else thinks they may be too extreme. If it's out there, I'd like to try it and I'd like to try it with the man whom I adore more than any other being in this world. Himself knows this about me. He knows that his wish is my command, so he's careful to keep me fenced so I don't go wandering along an edge and fall off. See, to me, that sounds kinda cool. Go to the edge and jump.. to fly before you fall, even for those few moments.

I have this in my profile - "What limits cannot be surpassed with courage, tenacity and desire." What is too extreme? Who determines what is or is not acceptable for 'me' to do if not.. well, me? The answer to that question is Himself. None other. Not those who claim to speak for the billions of people on the planet when most of us know the mearest handful of souls. What's not done? What can anyone think of that someone, somewhere isn't doing? Every 30 seconds, 2 per minute, every hour of every die someone is out there committing suicide. Death is not a limit for them. People cut off their limbs for the thrill of it, for insurance claims etc. People are people and people are capable of doing anything that people can imagine doing and yet, suddenly, put on some leather chaps and 'everybody' has limits? That's just.. damn, I don't even know.. rather preposterous if you ask me.. and, you did ask. :)

Okay, so maybe I'm a french fry short of a Happy Meal, but to be consumed, bite by bite, and ingested .. to become a part of the inner workings of Michael, to have 'me' run through his veins, nourishing his body.. just thinking about it gets me hot. So there you go, death, amputation, cannabalism all rolled into one, hot, incredible last scene. What a way to go! Much better than being hit by a bus. [8D]

Celeste


Two questions.

Does not "establishing boundaries" equate to "boundaries not existings"? Boundaries being something that when crossed will result in harm to yourself on a physical or mental level. Not establishing boundaries against your Master in a relationship is very different from boundaries not existing (There is nothing that can be done to me that would constitute harm).

Would you have entered into a relationship with Michael with no established boundaries if he was a man with no moral compass, cared nothing for your well being or health, had no respect for you, and no concern for your best interests and health?

If you can answer "Yes" to both of these questions, then I would actually agree with Bobgkin (who clearly didnt put much thought into the post) that it is "no limits" in the absolute sense.





UR2Badored -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 5:01:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bandit25

I think the point erin is making is valid.  prop has stated several times that she cannot function in the world, her Daddy abuses her regularly, as an example, he rapes her anally, using her blood as lube to the point where she is unable to function and she has regular unprotected sex with others, not knowing if they are going to kill her or not (and yes that has been stated in one of her posts), all at his bidding and prop has said repeatedly that he has taken steps to ensure that she is not able to leave him.  And, yes, in prop's own words, she was and may still be mentally incompetent.  I, for one, don't see consent there.  That may just be me. 

I don't see erin as making a judgment either.  She is simply using prop's past posts to make a point, that's all. 

Disclaimer/I am guilty of being wrong regarding my statements of consensual relationships:
Prior to recent posts on this thread, I had missed relevant information regarding legal consent of an individual. 




breatheasone -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 5:18:41 PM)

~FR~
I too think its just astounding what people try to protect under the guise of WIITWD and or "you can't criticize my "kink"




Bobkgin -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 5:24:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

~FR~
I too think its just astounding what people try to protect under the guise of WIITWD and or "you can't criticize my "kink"



For example?




sublizzie -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 5:25:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
Okay, so maybe I'm a french fry short of a Happy Meal, but to be consumed, bite by bite, and ingested .. to become a part of the inner workings of Michael, to have 'me' run through his veins, nourishing his body.. just thinking about it gets me hot. So there you go, death, amputation, cannabalism all rolled into one, hot, incredible last scene. What a way to go! Much better than being hit by a bus. [8D]

Celeste


Some day I hope to find someone I can surrender to in the way you have surrendered to Himself. You give me hope that it's possible. Thank you!




hisannabelle -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 5:30:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

~FR~
I too think its just astounding what people try to protect under the guise of WIITWD and or "you can't criticize my "kink"


greetings breathasone,

but the fact is, there are a lot of people out there who just do not conform to the acceptable "standards." he has required me to do things and probably will require me to do things in the future that violate a lot of popular sensibilities, and often violate ssc or rack (we do not hold to those kinds of things). not everyone who is in a d/s or m/s relationship automatically fits the bill of the politically correct "bdsm community," so to speak. many people who do not have a relationship within those guidelines are open about the fact that they do not. for me, at least, it is not a matter of hiding behind any expectance of acceptance. there are many things that we do now that i would never have possibly thought i could bring myself to do before i entered into this relationship. i do not even expect other people to comprehend/understand/support it. i fully expect that it would offend people or make them think my relationship is crazy and/or abusive. i do not like being treated that way or having all of my opinions viewed in that light, but i also do not by any means wishfully think that everyone will accept my relationship just because it is kinky.

respectfully,
annabelle.




breatheasone -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 5:30:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

~FR~
I too think its just astounding what people try to protect under the guise of WIITWD and or "you can't criticize my "kink"



For example?

Sorry Bob...I'm not hungry enough for a "debate" to bite that apple....but nice try though.




breatheasone -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 5:37:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hisannabelle

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

~FR~
I too think its just astounding what people try to protect under the guise of WIITWD and or "you can't criticize my "kink"


greetings breathasone,

but the fact is, there are a lot of people out there who just do not conform to the acceptable "standards." he has required me to do things and probably will require me to do things in the future that violate a lot of popular sensibilities, and often violate ssc or rack (we do not hold to those kinds of things). not everyone who is in a d/s or m/s relationship automatically fits the bill of the politically correct "bdsm community," so to speak. many people who do not have a relationship within those guidelines are open about the fact that they do not. for me, at least, it is not a matter of hiding behind any expectance of acceptance. there are many things that we do now that i would never have possibly thought i could bring myself to do before i entered into this relationship. i do not even expect other people to comprehend/understand/support it. i fully expect that it would offend people or make them think my relationship is crazy and/or abusive. i do not like being treated that way or having all of my opinions viewed in that light, but i also do not by any means wishfully think that everyone will accept my relationship just because it is kinky.

respectfully,
annabelle.


Honestly...I'm just talking about what to me would be common sense stuff....nothing that would harm others....or kids...or perhaps the ultimate...human sacrifice. I have essentially no limits with my Master...short of what i just said about common sense issues, i can't imagine saying no to Him. Master and i both happen to be extremely kinky and our kinks seem to match up perfectly....am i ok with all that?...yes....do i care if anyone else is ok with mine and my Masters kinks?....no, not even a little.....




hisannabelle -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 5:44:30 PM)

greetings breathasone,

what is "common sense" to many about limits in this life are not always "common sense" to everyone. the things that we do or that i would consider doing are far outside of the realm of "common sense" limits for most people - i'm definitely aware of that, though. hell, i used to have "common sense" limits myself.

not sure if that was the direction you were going in or that it's relevant, but i thought i'd throw it in there anyway! :) i apologize if it's not relevant.

respectfully,
annabelle.




xoxi -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/19/2007 5:45:21 PM)

Jesus Christ.

I'm not going to make any judgement over whether daddysprop is mentally sane or not, although the fact that she says she is no less sane than anyone else yet is unable to see how abusive her situation is might speak to her level of judgement skills.

I will however say her "Master" is one seriously deranged, insane, psychotic son of a bitch.  Yes I'm being judgemental, and no I don't think that anyone has the right not to be judged for their own actions.  What sort of man would break his woman's bones and expose her to unprotected sex with men who may or may not have life-threatening viruses?

I'm sorry daddysprop, you may or may not be sane, but you are the ward of one messed up human being.  Hearing about your life reminds me of sick, twisted true crime stories.  I know you don't care if you live or die, and would walk off a cliff because your master told you to, and so none of this will make the slightest bit of sense to you but you are seriously being abused.

If I were taking the Master/slave relationship as 100% legit, I will agree that a Master has the *right* to abuse his slave as he sees fit.  Any Master who actually does so for his own amusement however is a twisted and violent psychopath.  Imagine someone who buys a new computer once a week, because every Thursday he smashes the old one to pieces.  That's nuts in and of itself - but its still only destroying an object.  What the fuck sort of person would do that to a person?

I'm not criticizing you, daddysprop - you said you can't leave the situation, and plenty of abused women stay in horrific situations for many different reasons.  Your reasons are your own.  But I certainly am going to criticize the sadistic piece of shit you live with. 

And for those of you who are saying "No, it's okay, she consents to it, it's just the LIFESTYLE she chooses to live" - I assume you would say the exact same thing for every single battered spouse who hasn't picked up and left to go to a women's shelter.  Continuing the relationship is implied consent, right?  Or is it just when the man calls the woman "slave" instead of bitch, cunt, or you worthless piece of trash woman that it's okay?




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