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Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 11:45:34 AM

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hi, wasn't sure if this had already been mentioned here, but wanted to make sure everyone knew that today is "Jena 6 Day," a day of protest against the outrageous injustice of 6 african-american teenage boys in Jena, La. facing 20-25 year prison sentences for a high school fight. a fight which, btw, was provoked by heavy racial tensions, if you have not heard the story.

to show support, people are encouraged to wear all black, attend a rally or vigil near your hometown, and/or write the governor, district attorney, or a senator of Louisiana. meanwhile hundreds of thousands from all over the country have travelled down to Jena and Alexandria, LA today to protest and show support and love for these boys. my Master and i wearing our black and will be attending a rally in D.C. this evening. if you would like to get involved or just learn more about the story, here are a few links:

http://www.colorofchange.org/jena/dayofaction/

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/5150065.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/19/jackson.jena6/

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 11:55:27 AM

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6 on one is not a fight. 25 years is too short a sentance.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 12:20:36 PM

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Everyone charged with a violent crime "faces sentances of" a billion years. It rarely works out that way. Nothing here is any different than anywhere else. The one kid who remains in prison is so because he cant post bail. His charges have not been downgraded because at 16 years old (when it happened) he already had 4 convictions, two of those for assault. I see a behavior pattern here.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 12:21:42 PM

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If I dressed up in all white in counter-support for the victum would I be a racist?

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 12:27:09 PM

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So, six people who are gravely offended by the a horribly offensive act react by a 6-on-1 dogpile beatdown that potentially could have killed the kid, and you actually champion that cause?

Frankly, it takes a great deal of restraint on my part to keep this civil and within the guidelines of the board code. If a Mexican child received the same treatment when he urinated all over an American flag and declared "reconquista" there would be no ridiculous "El-Paso Six demonstrations" at all. If the color of the one and the six was reversed, there would be a public outrage, and a potential riot if the jury did not echo the sentiments of those picketing on the streets.

I don't defend the actions of the "VICTIM", but there are means available to have dealt with him... School suspension/expulsion, counseling, whatever the Dr. Phil remedy du jour is. When those six Victims of racial offense decided to break the law and nearly kill someone for such a distasteful and hurtful display, they became violent criminals. I hear a great deal of hate speech directed at my ethnic subgroup (sadly it is mostly from liberal professors in the university from the same ethnic background as myself). Some of it is distasteful or offensive. Some of it is pure, guttural, "street" hateful. Does that give me license to release my hurtful feelings with a lead pipe? Would you be at my arraignment in protest against the system when myself and three others nearly killed a person of a different color/religion for some offensive stunt he pulled? And if you wouldn't, what makes these idiots so special that you would treat our cases differently?!

You cannot argue logically, because this whole thing is stupid from that perspective. This country was founded on the principle of freedom of expression. No, I am not trying to defend idiot victim's choice of expression... I am conveying the belief that we are supposed to be a society where we can speak freely (whether right or wrong) and be reasonably safe from grievous bodily harm for doing so. Allowing an excuse for this behavior today is delivering a message in society that when one person upsets six others for whatever reason, they have license to beat the hell out of him. I am sorry, I don't give a damn. There are no magic words that pardon a thuggish dogpile of a beatdown by a group of people. And if there are such words, you better realize the other edge of the sword your argument sharpens over such words and who else would/should then be eligible for such violent treatment.

The one kid is an ass. He should have been punished.... by the right people. These six kids are asses, and criminals lacking in self-restraint and control necessary to exist in society. Now it is their turn.

EDIT: additional information was sent to me by a member who lives near Jena, which I will post here. If this is in fact true, it makes the case even more outrageous and unacceptable, and now they can and should throw that idiot hate crime punishment against those kids as well:

"I would like to take this opportunity to correct one thing. The white victim, young Mr. Barker, was not in any way responsible for any of the previous "racial tensions" (ie nooses, or any fights leading up to the Dec. 4 attack). He was merely chosen at random because of his skin colour and was attacked from behind, rendered unconscience by the first blow, and then as he lay on the ground, he was repeatedly stomped and kicked by these criminals. Please feel free to verify this information with www.thetowntalk.com where you can click on "The Jena Six" logo to find out more."

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 12:33:49 PM

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What exactly are you protesting? That six people who beat the crap out of someone are being charged for their actions?
And we should excuse their actions because they are black? Sounds racist to me.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 12:55:33 PM

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No, I oppose hate crimes. What they did was plenty illegal. 6 on one beating and kicking a kid till he has to be hospitalised, while in school.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 1:05:48 PM

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If six white kids beat a black kid it would be called a hate crime and they'd be facing a lot worse sentances. If it was true that the kid had nothing to do with the nooses being hung then he was indeed the vitcum of a hate crime, not just retaliation. Then again I've only heard of one case of a black person being accused of a hate crime but that was because the kid was disabled not because he was white.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 1:57:39 PM

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oh brother. i believe some of you wondering what all the fuss is about, are grossly underinformed of the whole story here. the white student in question was not nearly "beaten to death," he came away with some scrapes and bruises, and a mild concussion..he was released from the hospital that same day, and later in the evening attended a ring ceremony with friends. also, there's no telling exactly what provoked the fight, but i would bet my life that he wasn't just some innocent kid walking around minding his business. according to some, he had been hurling racial slurs left and right, and making jokes about the nooses. this isn't to say that the fight was justified, it certainly was not. these 6 students should have been expelled for the remainder of the school year. the injustice is the fact that they were all charged with ATTEMPTED MURDER, for the sort of fight that, severity wise, takes places in high schools all over the country every day.

beyond that, this fight was the culmination of many prior racially charged events and attacks, committed by students both black and white. from the nooses on the "white tree," to arson, to death threats...things had been reaching a boiling point in the town for months. the fact worth noting is that without exception, in every instance in which a white student was the offender, they were given a slap on the wrist, while black students who were offenders were given the maximum penalty possible. in one case, a white student threatened a black student with a shot gun (which turned out to be unloaded), the black student managed to wrestle the gun away from his attacker, and found himself facing charges of assault and theft (for the gun, of course)!

the Jena case is just one representative of the racial injustice that still pervades our legal system in this country. it is commonplace for blacks to receive twice the penalty, or more, than whites who commit the same crimes. it is also commonplace for blacks to be charged with outlandish crimes far exceeding the actual offense, as in this case. and sadly it is also commonplace for the majority of america to shrug their shoulders and wonder just where the injustice is in all of this.

fortunately for most of the Jena 6 the attempted murder charges have been dropped for lesser (tho still ridiculous) charges, and in the case of Mychael Bell, the first sent to trial, his conviction was thrown out tho he has still not been released from jail, and with our system, who knows when he will be.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 2:11:49 PM

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So, six people who are gravely offended by the a horribly offensive act react by a 6-on-1 dogpile beatdown that potentially could have killed the kid, and you actually champion that cause?

Since when did kicking someone 'round the head deserve 20-25 years in jail? 'Hardly a punishment fitting the crime.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 2:13:44 PM

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What exactly are you protesting? That six people who beat the crap out of someone are being charged for their actions?
And we should excuse their actions because they are black? Sounds racist to me.

20-25 years. 'Not racist at all.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 2:14:43 PM

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I agree, the charges were inflated. They should have been charged with simple assault.

It reminds me of Paris Hilton, getting far in excess of what others have gotten for the same offense. She of course, was white, rich and female. Maybe we should have had a "Paris One" day, where we dressed in Gurelli's and marched to California.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 2:33:52 PM

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quote:

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So, six people who are gravely offended by the a horribly offensive act react by a 6-on-1 dogpile beatdown that potentially could have killed the kid, and you actually champion that cause?

Since when did kicking someone 'round the head deserve 20-25 years in jail? 'Hardly a punishment fitting the crime.

Kicking someone in the head after he was beat down (not to mention 6 people doing it) is considered "grievous bodily injury". That alone is enough for me to use deadly force against those kids in the defense of the victim in the state of Louisiana, and many others. Based off the information I received (that the kid was not tied to the act and was drawn at random) this could be prosecuted under that bullshit hate crime statute (and certainly would if the races were reversed under the same facts). That alone carries some serious jail time.

You can try to minimize this as a kick to the head, but the fact is this wasn't the case at all. The kid was jumped and severely beaten. The prosecutor has the right to charge them under that statute AND THEN SOME according to the law. Apparently he elected a course of action to send a message to Louisianans that a gang-style beat down on somebody over your hurt feelings won't be tolerated, and he was well within his rights to do so.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 2:55:12 PM

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A picture worth a thousand words - or maybe a few years....
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070919/480/7b4a6f668d1d457bb9a96cc57fc23abd

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 3:00:21 PM

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if the 6 had chosen to wear black and peacefully protest-none of this would be happening...

i protest the protest.....

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 3:07:30 PM

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I understand that there was some racial issues here, but there comes a time when you just have to be the better man and walk away. This whole thing was over a tree. I mean a tree! I remember back in high school all the little cliques had their own lunch table and they didn't like you sitting with them if you were not part of that group. It was very childish but that was how it was. And yes, there were some groups that were all black and others all white. There were others that were all girls or all boys.

If the KKK is holding a meeting somewhere, if you are black they wont let you in. And as wrong as that may be, it doesn't give you a right to pick a fight.

And lets not confuse the issue... if the situation was reversed and you had 6 white kids beating up one black kid because he was black, I assure you that the black community would be very angry if those white kids did not get prison sentences. Look at how angry the black community got over the Duke Lacrosse thing. You know, before there was any trial, everyone was screaming for those kids heads even though there was no evidence they did anything wrong.

Remember what MLK Jr did... he didn't advocate violence...not at all. I doubt he would support these 6.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 3:26:55 PM

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NG's views excepted pleased to see common sense prevailing on this issue
6 on to 1 I arsk ya !!!

On the BBC news tonight, 20th, it was reported that all the great and the good are assembling in Jena. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson lol

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 3:37:48 PM

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Caitlyn, what's a "Gurelli?"

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 4:18:56 PM

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"We declare our right on this earth...to be a human being, to be respected as a human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on this earth, in this day, which we intend to bring into existence by any means necessary." - Malcolm X

Yes, it's a pity these stupid black folk can't just take what's coming to them and silently protest. Why did they sit under the "white tree"? Why can't they take a joke? Nooses hanging from a tree is a good joke, right? I mean, that's funny...and it's been funny for a few hundred years.

...Right?

Racism is funny.

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RE: Jena 6 Day - 9/20/2007 4:27:05 PM

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Amy Goodman had in interview with a fucking Cracker on the school board, and I suggest you hit democracynow.com for the podcast of it...

I got the subtext, "We came a long way since the 50's... They woulda all been lynched... THEY SHOULD BE GLAD THEY WEREN'T".

Anyway, listen for yourself and see if you "Read Between The Lines" the same way I did...

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