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gaining weight - 10/3/2007 8:20:49 AM   
fatfiftyfemale


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Status: offline 		a friend of mine (from another site) tells me she is being forced to gain weight tho already quite overweight for her Master and display purposes. is there a healthy way she can do this?
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RE: gaining weight - 10/3/2007 9:09:21 AM   
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RE: gaining weight - 10/3/2007 9:47:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Due to the serious health risks of obesity, there is not a doctor alive who would condone an overweight person gaining more weight. This is not just body modification, this is killing her a little at a time, sort of along the lines of slow arsenic poisoning. You can bet your last dollar this guy will not be there to take care of her and pay her medical bills when diabetes, high blood pressure, heart problems, sleep apnea, joint damage to knees and hips, back problems, the list goes on......needs treatment.

I am not at all poking at anyone who is overweight (one being myself); I would hope that anyone who already has to face these health problems would also advise her to not do this.

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RE: gaining weight - 10/3/2007 10:21:02 AM   
Sabella


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Status: offline 		So she's sending you messages asking how to do this while chained in a closet? she's being forced right? why isn't she asking you to send the police instead?

Inquiring minds, yaddee yaddaa...

But no. If she's already obese then she is not healthy. Gaining weight past this point is not healthy. You can't healthily do something that is already UN-healthy to begin with?! If she wants to UN-healthily do this then she probably already knows how and it's a kinda ridiculous question to begin with, JMHO.

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RE: gaining weight - 10/8/2007 6:57:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: fatfiftyfemale

a friend of mine (from another site) tells me she is being forced to gain weight tho already quite overweight for her Master and display purposes. is there a healthy way she can do this?


Yes there is a healthy way for this lady to gain weight. She needs start weight lifting and eating more protein. The weight trainning will build muscle and bulk causing weight gain. On a plus side, fat will be burned. Though we think the loss of fat will result in weight loss, remember that muscle weighs more than fat. She'll appear thinner but weigh more than most could guess.

Everytime I show someone on a scale that I really weigh 200lbs, they're shocked.

Muscle building is the way for this girl to go for gainning weight in a healthy way for herself.

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RE: gaining weight - 10/8/2007 8:10:26 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		Tell her not to do it.

My sister went through voluntary weight gain to get rid of an ex. Guess what, now she can't get rid of it.

Nobody in their right mind would ask anyone they care about to be overweight. They should be doing the opposite, helping them eat healthy and lose it. She should know better. And the other poster is dead on, with the results of long term obesity. It is so hard to lose, and it kills. Even if she doesn't drop dead tomorrow, even if she keeps as healthy as possible by getting her minerals and exercise, being overweight is an overload on the body, of that there is no question. Being extremely careful and paying attention to vital nutrients can slow it down, but just the weight itself is a burden.

She needs to get her head together and just say no. If she is already fat or obese she should know how hard it is to lose. She doesn't need to also lose her mind to this guy. This is ridiculous. If she can't get her head together and tell him no, then tell her to get away from that asshole.

Doesn't anyone understand what a relationship is ? I thought the idea was to care about each other, and the other's well being. Who the fuck is a guy who wants their Woman to be fat, actually fatter ? Here's a question, how fat is he ?

How about she tells him to gain weight, and let him learn what it is like to carry around an extra hundred pounds or so.

This is not something you fuck around with, it is a serious health issue. I lost a bunch of weight and I swear if I ever put it back on I will go find my blaze of glory to go out in. It is too fucking hard to lose, and I don't care who you are, as years go by you will wish you didn't have that extra weight. And if you don't lose it in time, it will inhibit you from exercising. I don't think she wants to get into that position.

NO, NO, NO, and make it a hard limit.

If you consider her a friend, I would urge you to make this message loud and clear. This is not bullshit. It took me being homeless, and then in jail, and then two bouts with sciatica to get down to 30% over my optimum weight. And I lost alot of muscle doing it, it is very hard to burn fat without taking some muscle with it.

I cannot stress this enough. Do not let her do it. I don't care how much of a masochist she is, this is a sentence of death by slow torture, I am 47 and can feel it coming on. My Father is 68 and I can see how it screwed him all up. This is no joke.

I think the guy is some kind of psycho or something to ask her to do it in the first place.

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RE: gaining weight - 7/5/2008 2:05:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fatfiftyfemale

a friend of mine (from another site) tells me she is being forced to gain weight tho already quite overweight for her Master and display purposes. is there a healthy way she can do this?


I don't really think there is a way to gain weight in a healthy way if you aren't somewhat healthy in the first place. Thank whatever god/goddess that watches over me but I'm mobidly obess(sp) at 260lbs but I look about 170-200 and I am healthy beside the firtility problems. But I would guess if she had some exercise just to keep her heart healthy (also muscle weighs more, just add a bit of fat for show? ) and eating more small healthy meals during the day and gaining slowly would be the healthiest course?

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RE: gaining weight - 7/5/2008 2:20:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fatfiftyfemale

a friend of mine (from another site) tells me she is being forced to gain weight tho already quite overweight for her Master and display purposes. is there a healthy way she can do this?


Answer: No!

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RE: gaining weight - 7/5/2008 12:54:29 PM   
proudsub


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Status: offline 		I agree with everyone who said an overweight person shouldn't be trying to gain more no matter how she does it.

That said, if she agrees to it, it should be done by eating more of the healthy high calorie foods like peanut butter, nuts, low fat protein and dairy, and  whole grains, as well as weight training to add muscle. She should avoid trans fats, saturated fats, sugar and refined grains, all of which can raise the risk of diabetes and heart disease.

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RE: gaining weight - 7/5/2008 1:19:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I always find it interesting how people react to the over weight or morbidly obese.

As if you are a bad person because you like to eat too much and move too little.

The advice on how to eat the healthy fats is spot on. 

I've probably gained and lost over 600lbs in the last twenty years.  The men who seek me out find my size erotic.  My softness to die for.  And I am finally, comfortable in my own skin.

Your friend is a grown woman.  If this is going to make her and her partner happy, then, love her and be there for her.

If you get hit by a bus crossing the street, you're going to be in heaven wishing you had that last piece of chocolate cake........



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RE: gaining weight - 7/5/2008 1:23:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		How is her blood pressure. Does her Dominant really care about her health if he is ordering her to do that?

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RE: gaining weight - 7/5/2008 4:45:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I needed to add something. How is the sub in questions Colesteral ? Heart rate? Any angina or heart disease? What about other physical ailments like lack of energy, physical stamina, shortness of breath? how are the joints? Does she have bad knees or a bad back? What about fitting into an airplane seat?

There are a number of concerns of the severely obese. Usually self imposed medical problems. For a Dom to suggest gaining is gross negligence of his property. there is a SSBBW here. Shes in a wheel chair.

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RE: gaining weight - 7/5/2008 5:07:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not agreeing with "forcedf eeding" and I don't doubt the guy will not stick around if she developes health concerns but not every fat person WILL get diabeties or blood sugar problems. There's a man who weighs 1200 pounds, and he was a documentary about him an his quest to loose weight, and even at 1200 he had no medical problems other than poor circulation and the inability to move about.

So, not every morbidly obese person WILL get problems, but more like they may.
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ORIGINAL: nyrisa

Due to the serious health risks of obesity, there is not a doctor alive who would condone an overweight person gaining more weight. This is not just body modification, this is killing her a little at a time, sort of along the lines of slow arsenic poisoning. You can bet your last dollar this guy will not be there to take care of her and pay her medical bills when diabetes, high blood pressure, heart problems, sleep apnea, joint damage to knees and hips, back problems, the list goes on......needs treatment.

I am not at all poking at anyone who is overweight (one being myself); I would hope that anyone who already has to face these health problems would also advise her to not do this.


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RE: gaining weight - 7/5/2008 5:35:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

I'm not agreeing with "forcedf eeding" and I don't doubt the guy will not stick around if she developes health concerns but not every fat person WILL get diabeties or blood sugar problems. There's a man who weighs 1200 pounds, and he was a documentary about him an his quest to loose weight, and even at 1200 he had no medical problems other than poor circulation and the inability to move about.

So, not every morbidly obese person WILL get problems, but more like they may.
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ORIGINAL: nyrisa

Due to the serious health risks of obesity, there is not a doctor alive who would condone an overweight person gaining more weight. This is not just body modification, this is killing her a little at a time, sort of along the lines of slow arsenic poisoning. You can bet your last dollar this guy will not be there to take care of her and pay her medical bills when diabetes, high blood pressure, heart problems, sleep apnea, joint damage to knees and hips, back problems, the list goes on......needs treatment.

I am not at all poking at anyone who is overweight (one being myself); I would hope that anyone who already has to face these health problems would also advise her to not do this.



You're talking about the mexican man documented? The one who couldnt even walk? The one who had severe Lymphedema??? He couldnt even get out of bed. He was a prisoner in his own body.

I dont think you know of what you speak. That kind of poundage and even less cause severe stress on joints.

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RE: gaining weight - 7/5/2008 6:02:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BelleMorte1969

I always find it interesting how people react to the over weight or morbidly obese.  As if you are a bad person because you like to eat too much and move too little.

(snip)

Your friend is a grown woman.  If this is going to make her and her partner happy, then, love her and be there for her.  If you get hit by a bus crossing the street, you're going to be in heaven wishing you had that last piece of chocolate cake...


This isn't about being fat, overweight, obese, whatever.  No one on this thread has said anything about being a bad person.

This is about purposefully gaining weight when you are already above an optimum weight for you (whatever that optimum weight is), compounded by the fact that you are doing it for someone else.  I'd rather take the odds of living for years vs. being hit by a bus when I eyeball the chocolate cake and decide if I'm going to eat it or not.

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RE: gaining weight - 7/5/2008 6:30:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

quote:

ORIGINAL: fatfiftyfemale

a friend of mine (from another site) tells me she is being forced to gain weight tho already quite overweight for her Master and display purposes. is there a healthy way she can do this?


Yes there is a healthy way for this lady to gain weight. She needs start weight lifting and eating more protein. The weight trainning will build muscle and bulk causing weight gain. On a plus side, fat will be burned. Though we think the loss of fat will result in weight loss, remember that muscle weighs more than fat. She'll appear thinner but weigh more than most could guess.

Everytime I show someone on a scale that I really weigh 200lbs, they're shocked.

Muscle building is the way for this girl to go for gainning weight in a healthy way for herself.




this is the ONLY way i would ever consider gaining weight! 

i get this same response from people when the see me ( and yes, i DON'T lie about my weight in my profile...no reason to). i workout 4-5 times a week combining cardio/weight-training/yoga.
have a complete physical before messing with your health by putting on excess lbs. to check for any underlying concerns. 

fatfiftyfemale....if this master has your friend's best interests at heart, he will consider WHY he would want to put this woman thru possible health problems and your friend should be sure she can handle the consequences of this choice.

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RE: gaining weight - 7/5/2008 7:26:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok so true he couldn't walk I did say that, but  his doctor went on the show saying he had no heart problems and no diabeties and no signs of developing it, and those are the main things I've heard people threaten most fat people with getting. so I still say it's not gaurenteed you'll get sick, but the risk is increased.

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

You're talking about the mexican man documented? The one who couldnt even walk? The one who had severe Lymphedema??? He couldnt even get out of bed. He was a prisoner in his own body.

I dont think you know of what you speak. That kind of poundage and even less cause severe stress on joints.


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RE: gaining weight - 7/5/2008 9:21:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		  As per the usual, many subbies on here are very sensitive about the topic of weight.

Personally, I don't see a man wanting a woman to reach an unhealthy high weight as being too different from wanting her to reach an unhealthy low weight. I've read several profiles of doms who insist that it doesn't matter if a sub is overweight when she comes to him: he will put her on a crash diet until she reaches the weight he find ideal. The "ideal weight" depicted by models and actresses and such these days can be dangerously underweight.

  This is a risk that the sub is willing to undertake for her master. I don't see it was terrifically different than any other risky activity. Yes, many overweight people develop health problems. However, not all of them do and not all of them will. If the woman is already overweight, I honestly don't see a problem with it if she is willing to gain weight.

  As for how to do it in a healthy fashion, I'm not entirely sure. I'm sure her dom doesn't want her doing it in a healthy fashion (i.e. protein shakes, working out, etc.) because he's not turned on by a super-muscly woman who weighs 200 pounds, he wants someone who has the flab and folds to go with the weight. I suggest she avoids foods that are terrible for her: fast food, ice cream, chips/crisps, and stick to rice and veggies and meats: bigger portions than she would normally choose, more often than she would normally choose. She might also try and be a bit active, so that when/if she chooses to lose the weight, she's still mobile and able to exercise, if even only a little.


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RE: gaining weight - 7/5/2008 10:51:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well this "subbie" doesn't consider the responses sensitive, but merely opinions on the dangers of an already overweight person purposefully gaining more weight. And comparing underweight to overweight... the health issues are not even close to the same magnitude.  Few people can cause themselves to become so underweight that it becomes a health issue.  Yes, some do, but rarely is it for someone else but usually because of an eating disorder and/or a body identity disorder.

I find it disturbing that you think it is okay if she is already overweight to begin with... does that mean it would not be okay if she was not overweight? So a little overweight is the same as hundreds of pounds overweight?  Seriously???

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RE: gaining weight - 7/5/2008 11:45:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it's unhealthy to do this. forcing someone that is already overweight to gain more weight is not only damaging to her health but also her self esteem. 

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