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Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/29/2005 1:05:12 PM

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So I've been at this online BDSM thing for a while now, and maybe it's just be, but it seems like there is an explosion of babygirls looking for their Daddydoms.

It's like someone one day opened up the playroom door and they just flooded in. *smile*

One theory I have is that it has slowly become more and more excepted to express interest in a type of relationship that was once looked at as squicky.

Are there other thoughts?

Taggard

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/29/2005 1:16:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

So I've been at this online BDSM thing for a while now, and maybe it's just be, but it seems like there is an explosion of babygirls looking for their Daddydoms.

It's like someone one day opened up the playroom door and they just flooded in. *smile*

One theory I have is that it has slowly become more and more excepted to express interest in a type of relationship that was once looked at as squicky.

Are there other thoughts?

Taggard

Dear Taggard.

I think that it is more acceptable and less squicky as you say. I also postulate that in the main, that it's a warm comfortable place to start out for a lot of women, and somewhere that they can attach to easily. No responsibilities and no control whatsoever given in a very trusting way......and a feeling that they liked growing up, that daddy will take care of and fix everything, abrogating responsibilities is very soothing to many. Of course, before the blast here, there are those that have many years in the lifestyle and have been babygirls for over 60 years and all that shit, and to you I apologize in advance. But having thought about this.......I get alot of Daddy asks if you will.......I have come to this possible erroneous conclusion.

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/29/2005 1:17:50 PM

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I suppose in a way someone did sort of open the door on it, or rather you might say the internet did. Just my personal opinion but I tend to agree with you, this particular style of D/s had gained in popularity and I think that's been chiefly because of the internet. When it was first introduced to me it was described as being a "kinder, gentler" kind of D/s that focused more on a loving relationship, positive reinforcement, etc. which sounded good and to me more balanced than trends I'd seen at the time that seemed to equate M/s with harsh BDSM and a lack of affection. What I have often seen in practice is that for many online being a babygirl is a quasi-form of submissiveness where they expect to be able to be a brat while being spoiled and pampered by their (sugar) Daddy. If you're picking up that I am at this point suspicous of the whole thing... give yourself a cigar.

If you also guessed I don't buy into the whole "M/s has to be harsh with no affection", give yourself a Cuban cigar

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/29/2005 1:24:15 PM

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Daddy/little girl as I practice it isn't an introductory, jumping off point. it's not a safe place to start and then you can go out into rougher stuff (indeed, if your little girl needs Daddy to beat her cunt until she is incoherent, fill her belly with his piss - it's reasonably rough already).

It simply is - it's one particular framework for BDSM, that borrows from the wide-eyed trust a little girl has for her Daddy. What I have seen is girls who either did not recieve the emotional prescence they deserved from their father, and want to receive it now from their Daddy, or girls who did recive it, and want it again - who want a man like Daddy.

TDY, when you say an increase, what timeframe do you mean?

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/29/2005 1:29:01 PM

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If you're picking up that I am at this point suspicous of the whole thing... give yourself a cigar.

Hmmm...then it's not just me...

Taggard

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/29/2005 1:31:50 PM

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An "explosion" perhaps for you :-)

I have not seen it at all in fact the whole "idea" of a Daddydom is still way scarry to a LOT of people.
I accept that is who I am. but then my definition of that maybe totally different then yours or others.

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/29/2005 1:33:43 PM

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TDY, when you say an increase, what timeframe do you mean?

I started doing this stuff on S.S.B. back in '95 or '96. And the change, as I see it, has really been escalating over the past 2 or 3 years. I took a bit of a break in 2002-2003 and it seems when I came back, it was suddenly ok to have these pseudo-incestuous play relationships.

Not that I am personally squicked by the Daddy-daughter thing, it just seems that there once was an unspoken rule about how it wasn't really cool to be open about such relationships, and now that rule is gone.

If that's your thing, more power to ya, but I was wondering if others noticed the shift.

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/29/2005 2:00:18 PM

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Last two or three years sounds about right from my experience as well. Before Yahell shut down the users room there were at one point about a half dozen chat rooms there devoted to the Daddydom/babygirl theme. It was also becoming pretty prevalent among them to see Daddydom/babygirl as being almost a separate style from D/s... essentially the view was, as I understand it, that they saw Dd/bg as forming a unique dynamic as the basis of their relationship. Make of that what you will.

I have no problem with people role playing Dd/bg fantasies anymore than I do rape fantasies, cheerleader fantasies, medical scenes, pirate fantasies etc... the emphasis being on fantasy and not reality.

BTW Faramir, your description of rough Dd/bg play would have probably horrified most of the babygirls. What I saw of it online fits closer with what Ron describes. But that could just be a difference between online ideas and offline realities.

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Hmmm...then it's not just me...

Nope, isn't just you.

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/29/2005 3:34:12 PM

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BTW Faramir, your description of rough Dd/bg play would have probably horrified most of the babygirls. What I saw of it online fits closer with what Ron describes. But that could just be a difference between online ideas and offline realities.

No - that's like saying most girls in BDSM woudl be horrified. Some girls in BDSM want it light, some want it hard - there is a wide cross-section.

What it really is a matter of is queering our sample - I attract the ones who want that sort of thing, so I "see" a disproportionate number of little girls who want a Daddy who hurts them and uses them like a cunt - someone lower in SM intensity would see a gentler chunk of the cross section.

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/29/2005 4:03:11 PM

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For my Master and I we did not just "fall" into the Daddy/littlegirl dynamics that we share in our relationship. Actually it happened quiet by accident for us. One of you said something to the effect of a "sugarDaddy", I hope that I misunderstood you, I do not feel that is our relationship, I do not expect my Master to be my sugar daddy, to me a sugar daddy provides monetary support along with the emotional, and physical support, another words that sugar daddy would not expect the littlegirl in her life to work or be resposible for anything outside of their dynamics, not so in our case. I do not like the fact that I am not working, am really trying very hard to find a job any type of job but not very easy to do, and I fret about it every day while out there looking, I want to pull my weight, but our dynamics is of Daddy/littlegirl, in that he does like buying me things not because I demand it but because he wants to, he is nurturing also in nature and there is nothing wrong with that either, sure is nice to have someone look out for me, since most of my adult life had to look out for others carry their burdens plus my own, we talk through decisions and I also know the final decision is His. So perhaps it may seem that way, that there are alot more starting the relationship, but perhaps they started out as Master/Dom/sub/slave and discovered Daddy/littlegirl in their growth and more are just comfortable stating their preference, as one of you said that it was once thought "squicky" but am sure other Daddy/littlegirl relationships have different twists to them than ours, just like any form of BDSM each little subgroup does things among themselves different from one couple to the next.

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/29/2005 4:09:49 PM

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One of you said something to the effect of a "sugarDaddy", I hope that I misunderstood you

That would have been me, here's the full quote...

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What I have often seen in practice is that for many online being a babygirl is a quasi-form of submissiveness where they expect to be able to be a brat while being spoiled and pampered by their (sugar) Daddy.

I was referring to the behaviors I had observed online, and then only the majority of that. Naturally that isn't all inclusive and I'm happy to hear that you and your Daddy sound like you have a much healthier relationship than what I had observed online with others.

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/29/2005 4:58:10 PM

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One of you said something to the effect of a "sugarDaddy", I hope that I misunderstood you

That would have been me, here's the full quote...

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What I have often seen in practice is that for many online being a babygirl is a quasi-form of submissiveness where they expect to be able to be a brat while being spoiled and pampered by their (sugar) Daddy.

I was referring to the behaviors I had observed online, and then only the majority of that. Naturally that isn't all inclusive and I'm happy to hear that you and your Daddy sound like you have a much healthier relationship than what I had observed online with others.

Thank you for clearing that up for me, I wasn't sure I understood what you meant by that so hope my response wasn't rude, but wanted to make sure that you understood not all of us are looking for that sugar daddy, and yes I think Master and I have found a healthy balance, and learning more of each other every day. Thank you for explaining.

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/29/2005 6:31:14 PM

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i admit to being a bit of a brat at times, but i certainly do not expect Daddy will pamper and spoil me during bratty episodes either... usually such moments will find me in predicaments i would much prefer to be out of, but 9 times out of 10 if i am being a lil brat there is a reason for it and rest assured, Daddy will get to the bottom of it...quite literally...

but being as much as i am one of the newer lg's, i thought i would speak out as to why i have finally come out of hiding, and hope it would help in understanding the more recent *epidemic* type flooding for which the OP speaks of...

having an lg deep within is something i kept extremely private for a variety of reasons. one was of course being the social taboo placed against such ideation, a second and more complex issue was the belief that something within me was not *right*...that perhaps i had a split personality, or maybe there was this deep seated relationship issue within for which my real Dad could not answer to... and then of course there is the frightening fact that allowing others to know such a thing about you is prone to abuses far more unseeming than say letting others know you have a fetish for leather or lace...

it's very personal, very psychological, and very frightening to be so open about something that for many lg's is not necessarily something that can be controlled. i know that for me it's not so much about a *fetish* or a *role play*, as much as it is a personality characteristic... one that up until very recently was a shunned characteristic.

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/29/2005 7:01:08 PM

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One theory I have is that it has slowly become more and more excepted to express interest in a type of relationship that was once looked at as squicky.

Are there other thoughts?

Taggard

Accepted.

I'm sure that's part of it, I really haven't noticed a huge explosion myself so not sure.

Women see submission as passive, they see submission as being the weaker/smaller/needing more care side of the relationship. A daddy/daughter dynamic fits into that ready made. Show me a submissive who doesn't swoon a little bit at being called a "good little girl" by their dom?

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/29/2005 7:10:33 PM

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You know it just struck me after reading Angelicalistical's comments that perhaps part of why I saw such an explosion in chatroom is because of the anonymity of it. It allowed people to live out the fantasy without having to worry about the real life reprecussions. As well as talking to like minded individuals without the risk of exposure.

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Women see submission as passive, they see submission as being the weaker/smaller/needing more care side of the relationship. A daddy/daughter dynamic fits into that ready made. Show me a submissive who doesn't swoon a little bit at being called a "good little girl" by their dom?

That's true and a very good point... they do love hearing that. Kinda like saying it too actually.

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/29/2005 7:57:29 PM

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Drawing mainly on the relationship between my babygirl and I...
She isnt looking for a Sugardaddy, but a nurturer that she missed out on as a child.
I am her Daddy... her protector... her teacher...
I hold her and let her know everything is OK, but she is NOT allowed to be a brat.
Disrespect and acting up are dealt with.
I take this seriously. Some people need things they didnt get when they were supposed too.
She is my baby girl... she is my pride and joy.
I am her Daddy.. the most important person in her life.
There is a balance there, flow in both directions...
Some people see it as "wrong", or not true D/s or M/s...
It works for us, and for many others.
There is room for many practices.

Jim

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/30/2005 12:05:46 AM

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Padrig a lot of Daddy lil ones aren't just fantasy, It's a chararistic. A fantasy is something you can throw on and throw off at will, like being your subs rapist, or being a stranger who abucts the sub.

Daddy little girl can be a fantasy, but it's ok if it's a real charastic not just fantasy.

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/30/2005 12:36:01 AM

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That is true... I emphasized the word fantasy (as in not an actual incestuous relationship) in response to previous remarks about it being taboo, scary and "squicky."

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/30/2005 1:02:19 AM

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it seems wrong to me to call someone daddy or mummy dom ( if they exsist). Always reminds me of incest.

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RE: Daddydoms and babygirls... - 7/30/2005 1:14:16 AM

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There's a phrase that I heard on Leno when he's making fun of the "Who's your Daddy" show. They realed the film with the first 4 men claiming to be a young womens father but the fith man was bloopered in with a Leno employee who said:

"Girl, I'm not your father, but I can be your daddy"

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