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RE: Flogger materials and handle construction. - 8/9/2005 11:09:30 AM   
InsomniaNow


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Thank you for the feedback!

We think we have enough knowledge and know how to write a quite extensive book.

Andrew

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RE: Flogger materials and handle construction. - 8/9/2005 11:16:20 AM   
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Yea,

In all actuallity some do it your selfers make far better toys that some of the professionals. Many of the pro's are far more capable than the crap they turn out, but they are more interested in the money than quality. I can't blame them it's a difficult business to be in.

Andrew



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YES!!

A definative (and ideally, illustrated) text that would at least give you a good place to start without making so many of the expensive and stupid mistakes right off the bat, would be really powerful. Especially for the diy-ers.

It would be really enlightening, Andrew, if you or someone like you who has all the "tricks in the toolbox" would let the rest of us peek in. I also think it would sell like crazy.

And you are right. For me it is a matter of symbolic and metaphysical importance that what I use comes from my own hands. It won't take away from the business of professionals like yourself. As you said, even other professionals have examined your work and gone... "uh-uh. nope. no way." We "sometimers" or amateurs even more so.

Please. Do this!


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RE: Flogger materials and handle construction. - 8/9/2005 11:22:01 AM   
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;) sounds interesting, I'm curious to see your work.

Look into checkering files, you could come up with some really neat stuff with that..

I still think it'd be easiest to turn the handle close and then dremel / chip carve from there.

Andrew

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Thanks Andrew, what i've got in mind is more exotic woods, chip carve and dremil.
I'm looking forward to seeing the new stuff on the site.
Thanks
Q


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RE: Flogger materials and handle construction. - 8/10/2005 2:06:42 AM   
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Andrew,

I would love to see your technique and I agree with you that people who are going to make their own gear are not likely to cut into your business, they are at least going to try to build something on their own at some point.

I can attest that after spending $600+ for various tools, leather and materials, that I'm not saving a dime by trying to learn how to make my own gear. If I didn't want to have floggers and restraints made by my own two hands, I'd rather save the time, effort and money and have someone else do it for me. I'm making my first floggers right now, I’ve got four wood dowels in my shed that need a few more layers of topcoat and hopefully I'll be starting to attach the tails next week.

There is a Canadian who has written a book about how to make a wide variety of BDSM gear and is selling it on his web site, http://www.thebetterbuiltbondagebook.com/ . That isn’t to discourage you at all, Andrew. There is no reason why you couldn’t try to do a more focused work and do it better. If any of you have ever read the basically useless book Kinky Crafts, you can see how easy it would be to write a better book than the competition.

I’ll look forward to seeing what you write if you do this, Andrew. If you want some feedback from your target audience, I’d be happy to help and I’m sure that some of the others who posted to this thread would be too.

Joe

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RE: Flogger materials and handle construction. - 8/10/2005 8:03:50 AM   
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Actually the Bruce Grant Encyclopedia of Rawhide and Leather braiding is one of the most usefull resources for flogger / whip making I have found. The trouble is, it's full of all sorts of completely useless information as well, and it's difficult for a do it yourselfer to sort through it all. Plus there are a number of aspect that you just don't find anywhere.

The book certainly wouldn't be a "Quick and Easy" approach.

Andrew


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Andrew,

I would love to see your technique and I agree with you that people who are going to make their own gear are not likely to cut into your business, they are at least going to try to build something on their own at some point.

I can attest that after spending $600+ for various tools, leather and materials, that I'm not saving a dime by trying to learn how to make my own gear. If I didn't want to have floggers and restraints made by my own two hands, I'd rather save the time, effort and money and have someone else do it for me. I'm making my first floggers right now, I’ve got four wood dowels in my shed that need a few more layers of topcoat and hopefully I'll be starting to attach the tails next week.

There is a Canadian who has written a book about how to make a wide variety of BDSM gear and is selling it on his web site, http://www.thebetterbuiltbondagebook.com/ . That isn’t to discourage you at all, Andrew. There is no reason why you couldn’t try to do a more focused work and do it better. If any of you have ever read the basically useless book Kinky Crafts, you can see how easy it would be to write a better book than the competition.

I’ll look forward to seeing what you write if you do this, Andrew. If you want some feedback from your target audience, I’d be happy to help and I’m sure that some of the others who posted to this thread would be too.

Joe


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RE: Flogger materials and handle construction. - 8/10/2005 1:09:00 PM   
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Hey Broken.

What Andrew is talking about is rolling up just what fits into the tubing that you use, then wrapping the remainder around the outside. We start off by wrapping all the tails around the tail and holding them in place with a piece of tape. Then hanging a baggie off the other end of the handle and putting lead into the baggie until we get the balance we are looking for.

Use some sort of glue to hold the buttplug together while you work on it. Once it's rolled and cut so it fits into the tube, I like to shove it in the tube and let the glue dry for five or ten minutes just to make the rest of the process easier. After the glue is dried, I drill a hole through the plug being careful to aim so I catch both ends of the strip that was rolled. Then I use a needle to run a length of artificial sinew around the plug and through the hole in a figure 8 pattern. After you've gone two or three times around, spiral around the sinew that's on the outside. This tightens the whole thing up very nicely. I make a point to do this donut knot as close to the top of the plug as possible so I can run screws into the plug without hitting the donut knot. If you skip the donut knot, your flogger tails will come out from the middle. It's really embarassing.

Once your plug is shoved into the handle, wrap the rest of the tails around the outside of the handle (glue them if you wish), then drill through the outer set of tails and into the tubing. After that, you're ready to run screws. You want counterhead screws and make sure they are long enough to go well into the plug.

I prefer to attach my tails after everything else on the handle is finished. Then all that's left is the knot covering the bulge. If you mount your tails this way, you will usually need to build up your bulge a tad more by wrapping a peice of leather around it to give your knot something to grab. I'm attaching a picture of a finished flogger that's done this way.

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Hey guys.

I have built quite a few floggers in the last couple of years, and have a very good leather wholesaler here in town. The problem I have right now has more to do with handle construction and finishing work. I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations.

For handles, I usually leave about eight inches of uncut leather at one end of the cutting, and then wrap that around a dowel or some other core material. The problem I am having is that I tend to work in heavier leathers -- elk, bullhide -- and produce floggers with a higher number of tresses. This causes some trouble, as the diameter of the handle can quickly become unmanageable in thickness, and not particularly comfortable for some people with smaller hands.

Can anyone recommend another method of attaching the falls to some kind of handle material? I took apart a higher-quality professionally made flogger, and found they were doing it pretty much the same way described above...

I am at a loss, and have a beautiful skin I would like to turn into something really special.

Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, ya'll.





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RE: Flogger materials and handle construction. - 8/10/2005 2:48:14 PM   
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Hey Nick, and thank you for the post.

I really do thing I need a photo for a lot of the steps... I am having a hard time visualizing what "wrapping all the tails around the tail and holding them in place with a piece of tape" means in terms of actually doing it.

Lol. We all learn differently. If anyone would be interested in doing a step by step, I am sure we could talk to collarme and get them to host the pictoral tutorial somewhere on the boards...

If you have any suggested resources elsewhere, please advise.

I need to upload some pictures of my stuff, I suppose, just to show you guys where I am starting with.

Huh.

Okay, keep it rolling.

Thanks again!

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RE: Flogger materials and handle construction. - 8/10/2005 3:22:59 PM   
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The picture Nick included, is that about the dimmensions your wanting to build?

Andrew


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ORIGINAL: brokenhallelujah

Hey Nick, and thank you for the post.

I really do thing I need a photo for a lot of the steps... I am having a hard time visualizing what "wrapping all the tails around the tail and holding them in place with a piece of tape" means in terms of actually doing it.

Lol. We all learn differently. If anyone would be interested in doing a step by step, I am sure we could talk to collarme and get them to host the pictoral tutorial somewhere on the boards...

If you have any suggested resources elsewhere, please advise.

I need to upload some pictures of my stuff, I suppose, just to show you guys where I am starting with.

Huh.

Okay, keep it rolling.

Thanks again!


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RE: Flogger materials and handle construction. - 8/10/2005 3:28:24 PM   
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I you know if you e-mail me privately we could possibly arrange for a phone conversation to further elaborate the details of construction.. It's just difficult to describe it with out interactive feedback or pictures. And it'll take us some time to build any sort of guide.

Andrew


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ORIGINAL: brokenhallelujah

Hey Nick, and thank you for the post.

I really do thing I need a photo for a lot of the steps... I am having a hard time visualizing what "wrapping all the tails around the tail and holding them in place with a piece of tape" means in terms of actually doing it.

Lol. We all learn differently. If anyone would be interested in doing a step by step, I am sure we could talk to collarme and get them to host the pictoral tutorial somewhere on the boards...

If you have any suggested resources elsewhere, please advise.

I need to upload some pictures of my stuff, I suppose, just to show you guys where I am starting with.

Huh.

Okay, keep it rolling.

Thanks again!


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RE: Flogger materials and handle construction. - 8/11/2005 9:56:31 AM   
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Andrew--

I would appreciate the opportunity very much indeed to pick your brain... And yes, it is difficult to visualize some of the parts of the process that you have described.

And no, the piece that Nick posted, although lovely, isn't quite what I have in mind, or worked on in the past... THAT level of finishing detail is a little out of my reach for now... Let's give it a few years. lol.

Anyway, perhaps posting some of the things we have made to this thread would be a logical next step. What do you guys say?

See you 'round.


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RE: Flogger materials and handle construction. - 8/11/2005 11:30:00 AM   
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Ok, sounds great, lets see it!

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Andrew--

I would appreciate the opportunity very much indeed to pick your brain... And yes, it is difficult to visualize some of the parts of the process that you have described.

And no, the piece that Nick posted, although lovely, isn't quite what I have in mind, or worked on in the past... THAT level of finishing detail is a little out of my reach for now... Let's give it a few years. lol.

Anyway, perhaps posting some of the things we have made to this thread would be a logical next step. What do you guys say?

See you 'round.




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RE: Flogger materials and handle construction. - 8/11/2005 12:56:20 PM   
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I will try to get some of my (extremely) rudimentary toys photographed and posted this evening. I could use a little project.

Andrew and Nick -- shouldn't one of your company investments be a good-quality digital camera? It takes the guesswork out of so much photography, 'cause you KNOW right away if you got what you wanted or not...

Just a thought.

Look forward to running into you again soon, and thanks.

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RE: Flogger materials and handle construction. - 8/11/2005 2:19:14 PM   
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We actually have a very nice digital camera, We've been struggling with lighting issues and glare. It's just been tough to get the picture as crisp as we want it to be. Neither of us are any good with photography..

Andrew

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I will try to get some of my (extremely) rudimentary toys photographed and posted this evening. I could use a little project.

Andrew and Nick -- shouldn't one of your company investments be a good-quality digital camera? It takes the guesswork out of so much photography, 'cause you KNOW right away if you got what you wanted or not...

Just a thought.

Look forward to running into you again soon, and thanks.


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RE: Flogger materials and handle construction. - 8/15/2005 10:58:33 AM   
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Feh.

Sorry guys. Tried to upload some photos, and was told that the files were too large. So I need to get into photoshop and do some reformatting, I guess.

I will give it a shot over the next couple of days.

--A little off subject, but Andrew and Nick, have you ever worked with chamois? What do you know about it, pros and cons?

Catch you guys around.

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RE: Flogger materials and handle construction. - 8/15/2005 12:41:12 PM   
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We tend to avoid anything that's not full grain leather (we do work with NuBuck).. So we haven't worked with suedes or chamois.. It of course is highly absorbant.. Other than that I don't know.. I imagine it would absorb any sweat or blood off the body and would be difficult to clean.. But that's about the extent of my knowledge. ;)

Andrew

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ORIGINAL: brokenhallelujah

Feh.

Sorry guys. Tried to upload some photos, and was told that the files were too large. So I need to get into photoshop and do some reformatting, I guess.

I will give it a shot over the next couple of days.

--A little off subject, but Andrew and Nick, have you ever worked with chamois? What do you know about it, pros and cons?

Catch you guys around.


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RE: Flogger materials and handle construction. - 8/15/2005 1:04:51 PM   
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Yeah, I can see where the absorbtive quality of the material could present quite a problem. Then again, if you can draw blood with chamois-like weight leather, hats off to you. I certainly couldn't, unless braided. Hmm...

Okay, no chamois. Just a thought.

Still trying to work out the problem with file size on the posting, guys. Thanks for your patience.

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RE: Flogger materials and handle construction. - 8/15/2005 1:42:45 PM   
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Well that depends, does the bottom have any pimples on the surface area I am flogging? Are there any scabs that could be grabbed by the tails and pulled off? How long is the session? What else is going on in the scene?

Andrew


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ORIGINAL: brokenhallelujah

Yeah, I can see where the absorbtive quality of the material could present quite a problem. Then again, if you can draw blood with chamois-like weight leather, hats off to you. I certainly couldn't, unless braided. Hmm...

Okay, no chamois. Just a thought.

Still trying to work out the problem with file size on the posting, guys. Thanks for your patience.


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RE: Flogger materials and handle construction. - 8/15/2005 1:45:12 PM   
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Honestly though, it's more of a quality / cosmetic issue for us, than a safety issue.. So feel free.

Andrew

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ORIGINAL: brokenhallelujah

Yeah, I can see where the absorbtive quality of the material could present quite a problem. Then again, if you can draw blood with chamois-like weight leather, hats off to you. I certainly couldn't, unless braided. Hmm...

Okay, no chamois. Just a thought.

Still trying to work out the problem with file size on the posting, guys. Thanks for your patience.


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