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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

That is fact right there, now (ex-recruiter, long time ago).....dual citizenship is probably of no matter to the government......I believe you can not hold a dual citizenship where one is the US under our law, so if you hold a Polish and Lithuanian by example, pick one and that is what you are, you can wear our greens and body bags.......no prob.

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Well, I can't even see that he may have cracked a history book.  America was more or less integrated at it's inception, then along came the slavery stuff, and we fought a war over it, and in doing so, we took black folk into the service on the Union side, and so the service was one of the first agencies in the new US that championed (all underlying arguments notwithstanding, because they were defeated) and has remained so ever since, with out let or hinderance in terms of being available to serve regardless of race, or ethnicicity.(god I bet that word is fucked up).

Ron

 

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Unless you Native American and you own all the land then they have to kill you for it. Mass Genoside the true American way.

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First of all I speak two langauges Nihon and English Nihon being my first, and am currently studying a third, Chinese which will encompas both Cantonese and Manderian.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I think you are correct.  I believe that US law allows dual citizenship until you are 18, but at 18 you must declare (or be considered an American citizen by default).

Whether or not the "other" country of the dual citizenship tug-of-war still claims you as a citizen is another issue.

Firm

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Unless you Native American and you own all the land then they have to kill you for it. Mass Genoside the true American way.

joanus .... is there anyone, or anything about the United States of America that you like, or of which you have a good opinion?

Firm

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I think you are correct.  I believe that US law allows dual citizenship until you are 18, but at 18 you must declare (or be considered an American citizen by default).

Whether or not the "other" country of the dual citizenship tug-of-war still claims you as a citizen is another issue.

Firm

Actually you keep your Dual Citizen ship til you declare your citizenship one way or the other. I'll be 21 next month and I still have an active dual citizenship, due to the fact that my father wan't a US citizen nor was ever planning to be come one.( I was a one night stand with a hooker, talk about selfesteam issues). my grandfather lived out the rest of his life here with out becomeing a citizen either.

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Yes actually I love American food, it tastes great and is simple and easy to cook. I also like Stephen King, but I'll never visit Maine.
I also like redneads its hard to find those in Japan.

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Yes actually I love American food, it tastes great and is simple and easy to cook. I also like Stephen King, but I'll never visit Maine.
I also like redneads its hard to find those in Japan.

If that's all that you find "good" in the US, might I suggest Ireland?

Plenty of Redheads.  Food is close enough, and you can still read Stephen King.

Need money for a ticket?

Firm

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Well, I can't even see that he may have cracked a history book.  America was more or less integrated at it's inception, then along came the slavery stuff, and we fought a war over it, and in doing so, we took black folk into the service on the Union side, and so the service was one of the first agencies in the new US that championed (all underlying arguments notwithstanding, because they were defeated) and has remained so ever since, with out let or hinderance in terms of being available to serve regardless of race, or ethnicicity.(god I bet that word is fucked up).

Ron

Unless you Native American and you own all the land then they have to kill you for it. Mass Genoside the true American way.

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Dont knock hangin with terrorist, as long as their not blowing them selves up or harpin on about Ali, their pretty nice guys.

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ORIGINAL: pinkme2

Hmm... And the current inhabitants of each European country are native?  Or has there been some shifting around there too? 

In actuality, all peoples fight for land and territory, including the Native Americans.  They lost.  The Celts lost.  The odd thing about modern times is how little industrial nations fight over this anymore.  The third world still does.  Muslims and Palestinians are still fighting.  African nations battle all the time over it. 

So it's not some peculiar American thing to wrest land from the natives.  *rolls eyes*

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Dont knock hangin with terrorist, as long as their not blowing them selves up or harpin on about Ali, their pretty nice guys.

Would this be Muhammad Ali ?

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Hmm... And the current inhabitants of each European country are native?  Or has there been some shifting around there too? 

In actuality, all peoples fight for land and territory, including the Native Americans.  They lost.  The Celts lost.  The odd thing about modern times is how little industrial nations fight over this anymore.  The third world still does.  Muslims and Palestinians are still fighting.  African nations battle all the time over it. 

So it's not some peculiar American thing to wrest land from the natives.  *rolls eyes*

With the exeption of WWII I really doubt any other country has mass murdered a race of people on such a level. Because the US government put out a bounty on every Indian killed they where pushed almost to the point of extinction now the are guests in their own countries. The real problem I see in this is how America prides its self for being founded on Freedom and Liberty when it was really built on Slavery and Bloodshed. Now they police the world bringing "Freedom".
Can you still call it freedom when you force it on others?

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Hows about the Huns or the Saxons?  How about the Nazis???  I know you listed it as an exception, but really.  How about Sudan?  How about.... shall I go on?  If the Natives still lived here, then we wouldn't have this great nation, so I have a really hard time wishing it hadn't of happened.  They lost, we won.  What the real travesty is the way they live in their "autonomous" nations currently.  Yes, it's too bad that in the history of nations, some people end up losing or getting kicked out.  But it's not new or unique to the US. 

Furthermore, it happened over 100 years ago.  Can you get over it already? Unless you have a suggestion to rectify it, what is the possible motive for rehashing and dragging it out in conversation over and over? 

And no one is forcing "freedom".  How is that even possible?  "I force you to vote and decide on your own future!!!"  Ridiculous.

Iraqis are building and shaping their own future with our help.  The only ones that weren't excited to see us were the "bad" guys.

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OK the only reason america when to the middle east was to get revenge on Osama Binladin for the attack on the World Trade Centers (even I think that was a crapy thing to happen even though I hate most americans)

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What did Iraq have to do with it? Nothing but oh wait their a Dictatorship lets acctack them next!

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 And like idiots Americans believed the words of a redneck and what happened? "Oops we fucked up he wasn't a threat to us after all."

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Now Im gonna make a prediction the Next country America is going to free will b........*rolls eyes back into head*......Iran.

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Lucky them after the bombings and the invasion they will thank america just like the Iraqis and the Afgani, oh wait aminute their not thanking any one cause their still pissed that they got bombed.

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I'm first going to say, Joanus, that if this is stuff you truly believe, there's no amount of facts that will disuade you from it.  You seem nice otherwise, but severely deficient in your knowledge of some basics. 

Wrong on so many counts. 

It wasn't revenge.  Do you understand the difference between revenge and taking out those who are determined to kill us?  You "hate" most Americans??  Nice. 

We were already "there" in some fashion or another, and Bin Laden attacked us hoping that there'd be weak democrats calling the shots and no consequence.  Had that been the case, there'd be MORE attacks, not less.  They attack those they perceive as weak and also as a way to cause a certain reaction.  We had to be strong and to not give in.  Remember WWII??


I seriously Doubt Binladin gave a rats ass about our political
situation. Just because you don't like democrats doesn't mean the rest of the world does. And no I dont remember the Iraqis in WWII, but if you are prehaps talking about Pearl Harbor the Us finally has admited that they provoked that attack. (see other thread)

Wrong again.  Iraq was helping to finance and supply terrorists.  They were given warning and ignored it.  The upshot is taking out a dictator. 

Later on the Government reveiled that it had no evidance to these claims nor was Sdaam actually paying for it.

No matter what Bush said (and I doubt he said that), Sadaam and that country was a threat.

While probably not the exact words that was the message. The worse weapon He had was mustard gas (and unleaded lol) but he had no way to deliver it here, and 1 year prior to the attacks he was hanging with Bush at his ranch in Texas.

Well, if they can behave, perhaps we can spare them freedom?

The only thing the Irans care about is fucking with other Middle eastern countries and do not and have never had a desire to fuck with America, and this whole they have may Nukes bull is just another Sadaams WMD scare tactic that didn't work the first time.

Actually, if you will respond to what I have now said several times, you can tell me why the Iraqis are happier now and helping their country and it's defense.  They are happily voting now.  Yes, certain parts of the country have issues still, but it's getting better, no matter what the anti-war, communistic propaganda you read says. 

Try going to Iraq and asking them or even easier just go to Un sit in the bathroom and listen to all the jokes the forgien Diplomats make about America. (Note you may need to speak a forgien language for this one)
"Communistic" How typical to call anything you dont agree with "communistic". Can you hear me back there in the 80s. the war is over, the wall fell you can come home now. American use unfonded scare tactics to scare america into hateing the Russians, who used to be their best friend until America got power hungry, Because most Americans didn't truly know what communism really was and still don't. The American economy sucks but the basis is solid and it kinda works. The Communist way of equallity also works but switching over would destroy this country. Im not supporting communism but when someone like you who knows nothing about it uses it in an out dated way as a derogitory comment it shows your lack of world political awarness
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