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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 5:29:52 PM

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Heck, for that matter if "forced slavery" is what you want, contact me now.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 5:32:24 PM

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i just have to say after reading this thread i am kind of enlightened about something.

i guess because i am just not wired to be a person who would ask to be forced and then cry foul afterward, i had never thought of it like this, but it is really enlightening to me what a Master must go through when deciding what to do and not to do to another.

i mean sure, i have heard stories of fakers/posuers and such, but once in a relationship with someone, who was desiring something, seeking it out, alot of times aggressively so, and then to flip the script on everything....wow....i just didn't think that it would be a concern.

Color me totally naive.

It happens...see my post.

i did read it, which is part of what opened my eyes....i guess since i'm not a vindictive, poser B***H it just had never occured to me.

Also, like many, i have suffered some really horrific abuse that was just that, and to compare anything BDSM related to that is wrong on soooo many levels.

Thanks for the eye opener :)

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 5:34:06 PM

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cherry, be aware that he is learning to trust you TOO.

Which is why he is being so patient-he must see a lot of potential in you.

Thank you, it is so helpful to see things from a Dominants pov...i sometimes forget that he isn't a total super hero. :D

He does see alot of potential in me, and i try not to let him down as best as i can.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 5:37:28 PM

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Many people have said that it is wrong to want it, as some people believe it can be inhumane.
but what if thats what people need? i am someone wanting this and i have been looked down apon and i just have to ask,
Is it wrong to want to become a forced slave?

Just my two cents here, but I have found that sometimes the desire to be forced comes from a lack of trust in the Dominance of the Dom. You need/want to feel them 'forcing' you, because you fear that they are perhaps too weak to truly be Dominant, and that the only way for them to 'prove' their dominance is to battle you for supremacy every 5 minutes to 5 days.

However, when one finds someone to whom one feels submissive, and allows oneself to be submissive to them, then the need to be forced evaporates. The need or desire to please and serve then comes into play because on a mental and emotional level the sub/slave has accepted their place in the relationship, and is free to revel in it.

I dare say that many who have found themselves in a place where they have personally made the choice to submit, and feel the Dominance of their Dominant to be real, would rather not be forced, would be dissapointed in themselves if it came to that. Perhaps the notion of 'force' is something that often begins a journey, and perhaps it is not that one wants the Dominant to overcome your defenses against them, but to overcome your defenses against your own submission.

Then again, maybe not. I'm far from being a BDSM guru on any level.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 5:38:20 PM

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Many people have said that it is wrong to want it, as some people believe it can be inhumane.
but what if thats what people need? i am someone wanting this and i have been looked down apon and i just have to ask,
Is it wrong to want to become a forced slave?

My own opinion...yes. To me, it speaks of someone who never wants to face up to their own decisions and bear the consequences of them. That may not be your mindset...you may well indeed come from the aspect of "I accept the responsibility for being forced into this...I chose to fight becoming a slave and was forced into it...he/she won and now I pay the price for what I wanted". But there again, if you want it, then you are making a choice...though a rather complex, mind-twisting one...to get to where you want to be and it is one that allows abdication of your responsibility in choosing a partner who will help you become what you want.

I like someone who takes responsibility for their choices. I would rather lay out what I am, what I like and don't like, act the way I do at all times and find out whether or not that dominant chord I strike resonates in harmonious accord with the strings within the submissive. Having her freely submit her will to me, even with occasional challenges either serious or playful, means much more than overpowering someone into doing something that I would always be reminding myself came from an initial position of unwillingness.

I would disagree with this...when I was with my previous master I begged him to take the control away from me, to make me feel submissive with his words and actions. It was what I needed and craved from him. He would not do it he told me I should "just be submissive" to him, to me that meant I dont want to be bothered having to try, you should just be sub. I felt we were in a kinky vanilla relationship the whole time. I want a strong man mentally that can do this...that can make me his slave, that can make me feel powerless by his presence alone.

And there is nothing wrong with wanting that...for you. But if you will look a little closer, I stated almost exactly what you have said in the part I have underlined above in the part of MY post that I have underlined above. But if you want that control taken away from you through actions that force you to give it up, then you are right...we disagree. Submission to me comes from wanting to submit to me...my dominance, my thoughts, my will...from wanting to give those choices over to me because I took them with who I am and how strong I am through thought and word and action, not how strong and forceful I can be physically.

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Its not about not taking responsability for your personal actions or choices...its about feeling someone's power over you mentally knowing you would do what it is they are asking of you without a second thought. It is feeling them exerting their will over your own and knowing without a doubt you will bend.

*edited to notate that doing his will means within reason*

But ironically, you just proved my point. Through your use of the last phrase, you make it clear that your submission is his as long as doing his will means within reason...therefore you are making a choice. You further prove my point when you state that your submission was his because of what he exerted mentally and through his presence, not by forceful physical taking. Your submissive strings responded to his way of striking the dominant chord and you thereby made a choice.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 5:50:33 PM

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Let me give a squicky little example of a 'forced " scene.

A sub decides she is feeling really brave, and finds herself lying bound on my massage table. bound down pretty tightly. Legs up in the air, to a spreader bar-padded feet cuffs. We've decided that she is going to enjoy a combination of humiliation, and a feeling of total loss of control. Her midsection is wrapped in a big thick cloth diaper-covered by transparent plastic pants. And enema tube runs into the legband of the pants and diapers,and the nozzle is planted deeply in her ass. She's being very stoic. Brave brave girl........Until a I giggle a little,and snap open the plastic clip-and water starts flooding in. There is a bit of grunting and whining towards the end.........she whimpers as I close off the hose and pull the nozzle out. It's dirty.

I let her out of the bonds, and she gets up. grab her by one wrist-and a look of absolute panic comes over her face. She wrecnhes loose and dashes for the bathroom.........I'm a bit dissapointed, but sort of figured she would not be able to take it-so I gave her an out. I wander over to the bathroom, and she is voiding on the pot, curled over and crying.........The diapers that she has pushed off lie nearby-the seat shows a small brown stain, she barely got there in time.

I just roll my eyes a bit, and let her finish. It seems my lack of trust in her vaunted toughness was correct. It wasn't a failure, she just wasn't up to backing her own bravado.

Later on, she says she just wishes I had just forced her to go all the way. I disagree, she wasn't ready for someting that heavy. And I find myself validated,that I chose a test that would not be leading to any legal charges being filed. There was no rape, there were no marks from an assault.

If you want to be sure-test.

But subs? Be damn sure that your mosqitoe asses can back up your alligator mouths..

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 6:30:21 PM

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But subs? Be damn sure that your mosqitoe asses can back up your alligator mouths..

Too good :) edited to add:

That's a great example of a test. And also helps bring to mind something else i am trying to wrap my head around about trust.

Sometimes you trust people to do the right thing, what you'd like etc.....sometimes you trust in the fact that they won't do the right thing...aren't ready for the right thing..or are incapable of doing the right thing.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 6:47:40 PM

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But subs? Be damn sure that your mosqitoe asses can back up your alligator mouths..

Too good :) edited to add:

That's a great example of a test. And also helps bring to mind something else i am trying to wrap my head around about trust.

Sometimes you trust people to do the right thing, what you'd like etc.....sometimes you trust in the fact that they won't do the right thing...aren't ready for the right thing..or are incapable of doing the right thing.

Or that thier view of a reality that YOU understand is different.. In this case, the girl failed to realize that it wasn't just a mind fuck. I WAS going to do *exactly* what I had promised to do.

I promised her that she was going to lose a basic control, and that she was going to have to end up being hosed off. But in the end, it was too disgusting for her to get through it..Not everyone can handle every challenge.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/8/2007 7:43:58 AM

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Nea would like to thank, everyone who has posted on this post.
Nea has realised that she needs to think about what she truely wants and she has worked it out
Nea seeks to have that reassuring pressure that she is property and she will always be what her Master makes her.

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