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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/10/2007 6:24:37 PM

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I am a bad Master, no identity crisis here. (so, there is one identified for you).

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Reminds me of an old tv show......"They call him Bad, Bad Masterson...."

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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/12/2007 8:04:35 AM

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Ron I love you man. Now pass the Bud.

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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/12/2007 9:17:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: windchymes
Reminds me of an old tv show......"They call him Bad, Bad Masterson...."

I think his name was Bat Masterson, wasn't it?

Respectfully,

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P.S. If that was a joke, I'm sorry, lol. I don't always get them ~woosh~

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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/12/2007 10:33:35 PM

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if you dont follow orders, you really only have yourself to blame, you failed yourself slave. in my world a financially dependant slave has NO rights or say in anything, and it is masters choice to test a slave to see if it will follow orders. orders dont get followed,,,,, who's fault is it?

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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/13/2007 7:59:17 AM

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if you dont follow orders, you really only have yourself to blame, you failed yourself slave. in my world a financially dependant slave has NO rights or say in anything, and it is masters choice to test a slave to see if it will follow orders. orders dont get followed,,,,, who's fault is it?

What the hell kinda world do you live in?

Hmmm...a Master's choice to test the slave...the slaves fault if they doesn't follow. So...if my Master tells me to jump off a bridge (testing me of couse) with no ropes and I tell him to fuck off because he's insane, its my fault for not following that order, even if it puts me in danger?

Glad I don't live in your world.

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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/13/2007 8:02:49 AM

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now thats just plain stupid to even talk like that. a slave follows orders plain and simple. i am glad you are not in my world either. what a dummy

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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/13/2007 8:06:46 AM

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I'm with you trapped. If my boys followed so blindly as to never question orders, Id be so bored with them, I'd die.
Masterlink, Im sorry you cant handle a little backbone in your slaves. However, a mature comeback of "what a dummy" REALLY impresses the slave ladies.

I'll just restate what I said before. Its not a bad Master or a bad slave, its a bad fit.

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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/13/2007 8:12:51 AM

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you dont even know my situation here.pretntious views from the girls again. SLAVES FOLLOW ORDERS. my slaves have backbone, my subs afre slaves not faggots and sissies. main thing though. my slaves are not stupid. a slave chooses its master just as a master chooses a slave. if you got yourself in a bad situation, most likely it was done in haste and stupidity. a little common sense goes a long ways. bad master, bad fit, yes, but what master wants a slave that wont/cant follow orders. no other master/mistress has ever tested their slave? huh? none of you?

we are in different worlds arent we.

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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/13/2007 8:14:33 AM

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there is a difference between blind loyalty, and loyalty. fake worlds collide and blame the other person, common situation in these lifestyles. maybe you are just a bottom and not a sub or slave at all?

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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/13/2007 8:16:54 AM

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we are in different worlds arent we.

Right. Mine and DV's world is reality....yours...is not.

*cries on DV's shoulder* He called me a dummy!

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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/13/2007 8:22:35 AM

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My boys are not tested, ecasue tey have never given me a reason to. They follow orders when I give them. I am intelligent enough to KNOW they will, and see no reason ot flex my musces and give them questionable tests.
And when theymisbehave, there are observable consequences. There is no putting off punishment, and there is no sliding by and questioning whether or not I am going to do anything. You are right, we pick our slaves as much as the slave picks the master. And if you have been lucky enough never to have made a poor decision and found out down the line that you were abad fit when initially you thought you were a good one, then more power to you. *I* have not always been that lucky.

Presumption, yes, from the WOMEN, not the girls. Unless, of course, you like being refered to as boy. I can do that, no problem. If you dont like how someone speaks to you, then rather than insult them, just ignore them.

The Master in the OPs post was not enforcing the training, and so the OP did not feel as if the control was real. That does happen. That doesnt mean she is less of a slave for wanting actual enforcement of rules and punishment, does it? The way you do things, you would rather tell someone tehy are a bad slave and use their own guilt to make them behave rather than do something active to assert yourself? Passivity does not make for a good dominant when it is ALL that is used. You want someone to be loyal to you becasue they desire to be loyal to you, not becasue they feel bad about not being loyal. Big difference. Id rather release someone who was obeying out of a sense of guilt for not listening rather than an actual desire to obey.

Maybe thats just me, though.

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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/13/2007 8:24:55 AM

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oh yes,,, makes perfect sense.. thats why i really own slaves, thats why i really earned certain rights of passage. i am so fake. i am fake and mean, i may go cry now.

read my profile. and compare our worlds, you have someone else poetry in your profile, you express through lyrics, but you cannot express your needs and desires as a slave. but you can use someone else poetry. tsk, tsk no need to prove my world to you. you are not able to understand anyway.

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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/13/2007 8:26:41 AM

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its really lame how one sided this site is. if you are not hetero you are not welcome, that was made very clear, early on.

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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/13/2007 8:31:19 AM

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I don't need to defend my profile to you.

The fact that you would attack it without provocation says enough to me about your character that I don't even need to look at your profile.

Did you ever stop to think that I do not express my needs and desires as a slave because I am not one? Do I call myself a slave on my profile? No....so..why would you make the assumption that I am one?

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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/13/2007 8:39:52 AM

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i dont like being told my world is fake anymore than you do. calling me a name i could really care less. i get more vocal when i see others attacked. me i am a big boy canhandle alot. i spent over a year interviewing my most recent slave. the interview takes time. compatibility is a major concern. i do not take a slave or subs word on how much they will submit or serve. things need to be proven, things need to be earned. things handed to someone without earning it, are usually taken for granted. while your slave is being interviewed and tested, earning a masters respect, the master/mistress are also proving themslelves.

anyway,,,, she did the right thing, she got out of that arrangement. i have interviewed many slave in realtime, most get sent home and do not get invited back. not because i thought they were fake, just because we did not fit together.

yes there is a big difference. i do not control through fear. my slaves are 100% volunteer. i do not have to use bandage to administer punishment. my slave submit on their own. and yes, slaves are human, but a slave should also realise its master is going to treat it as property owned. now if i own property such as a car, or motorcycle or even a toaster. i am not going to throw it over the bridge abd wonder why its not of service anymore.

common sense is a big part of this whiole thing..... problem is you cannot teach common sense. and most people are common senseless

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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/13/2007 8:43:12 AM

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Enough, folks.

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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/13/2007 8:55:33 AM

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i thought this thread was for slaves asking masters?

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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/13/2007 12:34:28 PM

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Sorry 11, we will play nice.
My mommy taught me,if I have nothing nice to say, I should just walk away and stay quiet.
I can definately say I have nothing nice to say.

So, Im out.
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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/13/2007 2:08:47 PM

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the thing is. i dont think many people realise, there is more to this than cute costumes. you can have the best dungeon setup in the world. but that doesnt make you a better master/mistress. sometimes this lifestyle seems more like a costume contest. and expesinve leather and a room full of toys does not make the master/mistress, they are only tools. much like a mechanic. you may have the right tools, but do they know how to use them? slaves often times do not even know there real needs as a slave. another rsponsibility of the master/mistress.

again,,,, this is only my take on this.

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RE: Identifying bad Masters - 11/13/2007 5:53:38 PM

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In reply to the OP:

The best thing you can do is learn from this - what you do, and do not want; what you can, and cannot, handle. Once that's firmly set in your mind, you can better express yourself to future potential Masters.

In reply to the sub-commentary:

Once two [or more, in case of poly] folk agree to something, they should stick to it. That can't always remain the case, as people do change over time; but at the heart of things, a slave who understands what they're getting into and agrees should be as cognizant of their role, as the Dominant partner should be of their duties and responsibilities to said slave. Any deviance from that should involve further discourse, and that is not a form of disrespect from a slave to their owner - it is working towards a better understanding of one another. Sure, some slaves don't know their boundaries, and must be taught. Conversely, some Dominants may take their role for granted beyond the initially accepted understanding, and may cross the line assuming they have a right to.

SSC and RACK have one thing in common - the C, for "Consentual". No Dominant should try to force something that a slave cannot handle, and yes, a reality check through simple honest discussion is occasionally more practical than facing police charges. Is it for everyone? Probably not. Should it be? Perhaps. After all, mutual understanding and open dialogue aren't just catchy pop psychology buzz words...they are representative of something else that was briefly mentioned earlier - common sense.

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