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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Shootingstar,

Are you going to try topping for a while so you can be a better submissive?

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ORIGINAL: Archer

Another misconception about Old Guard, Try reading Leatherfolk and get a little better nderstanding that not everyone did the bottom up as a slave, there were even then 1950's and 60's folks who apprenticed under various Masters to learn their craft but were not slaves before they became Masters. It was a path that many took and some localized communities did require time as a slave, but to ever think that Old Guard was a monolithic structure of any values, traditions or methods, is to ignore some very important facts. The community in NYC was different than the community in LA which was different than the community in SF, which was different than the community in Chicago.

Sounds like you need a trip to LA'AM (Located in Chicago, Serving the World) Leather Archives and Museum.
Or even maybe a little more reading of Books rather than internet websites.

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ORIGINAL: Qithoras

one could argue that Doctors should inflict injuries on themselves so they know how their patients feel.

I do not think I can express my feelings towards this matter any clearer than my first two letters: No.

Not now, or ever.

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ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

I have bottomed and been in service to serve my friends (in different ways) as well as to explore myself (I learned I'm a servant, not a slave...big difference for me). I learned valuable stuff each time I did it. I didn't go into any situation with the expressed desire to 'do it to be a better Master'; I did it to be helpful and to be a better PERSON.

Master Fire

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ORIGINAL: shootingstar67

So Masters I am asking you. Would you ever consider bottoming? Not because you'd enjoy it but because it would make you a better dom?

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ORIGINAL: gorgeous1

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ORIGINAL: Qithoras

Anne Rice? Read one of her books back in High School, but I thought it was overrated.

Why do you say that?

Sorry for butting my little sub butt in here, but I HAVE to comment on Anne Rice's books. I totally understand why you, as a man would find Rice's erotica books to be overrated. I JUST now posted a comment in the Sub Forum, saying that the Beauty Trilogy is the BEST D/s PORN written for a female...EVER!!!

For a woman, I think Rice fulfills the dreams of a woman more than a man. I found that she was able to completely get into the slaves' heads and captures the inner struggle that many of us have- that unbreakable human spirit and pride, the need to surrender it all, the fear, the shame, the excitement, the temptation to rebel...utterly delicious and eternally arousing. When I read the Beauty Trilogies, I thought my head was going to explode.

Exit to Eden was OK, but not as good as the Beauty Trilogy, although the scene where the girl is stripped naked in the car, and then enters the house naked on her knees, and then is laced into the corset and the boots and the gloves....YUMMY...

One book that I felt was terribly overrated was The Marketplace. It was a brilliant idea, but poorly executed. The writing was cheesy throughout the entire book until you get to the epilogue where Chris is being worked over by Grendel...the writing was HOT there...finally you feel as if you are right there and you can feel the heat and intensity of their relationship and how close they are to falling over the edge, with Chris having NO LIMITS and Grendel being afraid that he just might take everything Chris is surrendering...damn if it hadn't been a scene between two dudes I would have bought the second book.

I really wish there was some better written Pron out there...I have written several short stories involving an Edwardian era school for girls that involves quite a bit of OTK spanking, but all that's already in my head and I'm just spilling it out onto the paper. I wish somebody else would write something yummy.


Anyhooo...since I already butted in, I'll put my two cents worth in. As a 100% sub (meaning I have ZERO desire to be in control or wield a riding crop) I would never survive being a top. The thought of my husband ever having his bottom spanked or having his...er...extremities clothes-pinned totally turns me off. I don't think I could ever get that thought out of my head...eeeew! When we get new toys, he tests them on his arm, and then we have a "test run" with the equipment before we play. We take a very clinical approach to the sensations, the mechanics, etc., and I give him total feedback on it and tell him where I think my limits might be, and if it's something I like...we transition into play mode.

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Shootingstar,

Are you going to try topping for a while so you can be a better submissive?

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ORIGINAL: shootingstar67

In the old guard you earned the title of  "Master" by serving as a 24/7 slave for a year. I am sure they didn't like it but they paid their dues by doing it and earned the right to rule.