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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/18/2007 8:58:10 AM   
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I don't think it's a problem for kinky kids any more or less than it is for vanilla kids- that's what teen years are for, to explore, fuck up, and find yourself.

Since I DID get involved at 18, given the chance, I'd probably follow my own advice and not get into a serious commitment right off.  But such is life.  I might have had a few chatrooms throw me out and tell me I'd end up in a ditch by the time I was 25 talking all the nonsense I was about "slavery" and such, but I think I turned out ok :)


LA, i remember all this. i was thrilled to see you here..alive..doing well...and not in that friggin ditch. so much for the predictions of  the high and mighty in an aol chatroom. your candid honesty just freaked them out is all.

as always my best thoughts LA,
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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/18/2007 9:09:09 AM   
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if I was 18 years old I would bang every fucking thing I could get my hands on out here, drink carafes of tetracycline, and attach myself to a 24/7 penicillin drip.....

Ron


plentiful Zovirax or Valtrex might be good ones to throw into your cocktail Ron, if you were 18 years old. 
just sayin for the hell of it.

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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/18/2007 1:29:05 PM   
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The Internet isn't confusing younger people anymore than normal life does.  They're getting better information than many of their older peers ever have had.  This seems to be so much so that older individuals are having difficulty understanding the views that evolve from still-sharp minds with a great deal of information at their finger tips.

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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/18/2007 1:55:20 PM   
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Thanks to the Internet, all someone has to do is google a few terms and they are inundated with a lot more information than they could imagine. What does this mean for young people who are kinky?  Most say it's a good thing - after all, having information, and knowing you are "ok" is a good thing.  But what about the types of content out there and how you view it and interpret it?

Using myself as an example, I was tying up the opposite sex as soon as I was old enough to date.  There was no internet around that time. I knew I liked bondage when I saw it on TV.  I had never seen pornography, though.  I think I was babysitting and saw a few issues of "FORUM" magazine and read some of the stories, and found the sex stuff and kink to be kind of odd, but not that titilating.  All I had available to me at that time was the college library where my brother attended, as I sometimes went with him to have access to more selection than was at my public library. Through research I landed upon some articles in texts like "Journal of Sexuality" and the works of deSade and Sacher-Masoch, but this was all a bit overwhelming; after all, I just liked to tie guys up. I was still a virgin.  The idea of "kinky sex" was -- well, weird, and did not seem too *normal* to me.  I imagine, now, what would have happened if I had done that same research on today's Internet.  WHAM.  I would have been really overwhelmed.  Would I have decided it was sick and twisted? Would I have thought that kinky people were freaks and weirdos? I had very limited experience to go on, after all.  I knew what I liked was exciting, but I knew that *reading about* what some kinky people did seemed awfully twisted and odd.

The only reason I didn't start suffering from fear, self loathing and depression was because I was well adjusted and not that worried that something was wrong with me.  I didn't want to do *that stuff* after all, I was just happy with my little bondage games.  And, I thought, deep down, I would probably grow out of it.  Remember, I was still a virgin.

It wasn't until my sexuality evolved that I got less freaked out by some of the ideas and imagery (granted, I did not SEE most of it, I read about it) and more comfortable with it, but still, I took it all in baby steps.  I also know that by self experimentation, at my own pace, with guys I dated, I sort of followed a path that felt natural, and there was no expectation of what I was supposed to do. Kink, to me, seems presented in a very "this is how you do it," way on the net.  The materials I had access to didn't say how you did it, or what you labeled it.  And there were so few materials available, anyway. 

I don't know what would have happened to me if I had the Internet instead of the library, and I had "help" rather than just did it on my own and did what felt comfortable and natural.  I also don't know what would happen to me if I had met a "submissive" (with more experience than me) to tell me how to do it, vs. just gradually exploring with boyfriends that found it odd, exciting, and at least worth a try - but, were along for the ride, and not there to tell me how or what to do.

I wonder what risk there is of new, younger people (or, new people in general) getting so inundated with imagery and messages that they can't find their own sexual identity.  I went through a period of time that I completely dismissed all BDSM erotica, both written and visual, as useless to me.  It wasn't until I discovered gay male bdsm (in the form of the magazine, "Bound and Gagged") that I realized as a female with toppish bondage fetishes, there did exist some erotica that would appeal to me.  I found het BDSM porn to be objectifying and silly, and it held no erotic appeal for me.  What if that had been all I had to base my early investigations on?  I was better off trying to fumble through "Venus in Furs."

Is the Internet a good thing for someone who is trying to find out what their urges really mean?

Akasha



The Internet has become a powerful tool in the modern era. While my previous remark is stating the rather obvious, I don't feel that most people grasp the gravity of such a statement. As with any tool, it has the ability to be used for both good and bad. The most powerful the tool, the greater it's capacity to inflict harm or do good.

Think of capital punishment. The implementation of such an institution has been both beneficial (arguably) and harmful. Some innocent persons have died because of capital punishment; some crimes have been prevented.

The Internet has become, one might argue, the most powerful tool available in society today. It has the power to absolutely corrupt minds. It has the power to give unfettered access to the most vile and grievous information. With a few key strokes, you can be well on your way to synthesizing methamphetamine or constructing a bomb. Remember, knowledge is power.

The Internet also has the ability to promote growth and nurture a curious mind. It has the ability to help youth who are lost in questions of their own sexuality. I know the Internet has personally helped me to come a lot closer to accepting who I am.

But, despite the Internet's great capacity for good, I feel as though it is under the grasp of those who promote evil. Type a BDSM query into your favorite search engine and you are bound to be drowned in pornographic results. Is this the kind of information that will be nurturing to a curious impressionable mind? Of course not. Perhaps some youth will be able to take this information in stride and ultimately be unharmed, but I think the majority will suffer injury. Viewing porn is not going to help a person come to terms with themselves.

Lastly, consider the capability of the Internet to put two persons in contact with one another. Consider how many sexual predators lurk on the Internet. What a calamitous scene.

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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/18/2007 2:07:31 PM   
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I am going with the majority of the answers - yes and no.

Yes, because the internet offers a largely embarrassment-free approach to researching just about anything to make sense about things that you feel and/or think. While this may inadvertently lessen the amount of quality talks between young person and parent, it also gives the young person a non-judgmental approach to learning more about him-or herself.

On the downside: where lies the qualitative validation of the information that their research turns up? Who knows how knowledgable the individual was that posted information? How does a young person know that the poster did not have a hidden agenda that may be exploited in shaping a young mind? We see enough sick bastards or read about their actions right here in the message boards. The lack of face-time may just open the door for predacious individuals with malicious intent!

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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/18/2007 2:18:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I don't think it's a problem for kinky kids any more or less than it is for vanilla kids- that's what teen years are for, to explore, fuck up, and find yourself.

Since I DID get involved at 18, given the chance, I'd probably follow my own advice and not get into a serious commitment right off.  But such is life.  I might have had a few chatrooms throw me out and tell me I'd end up in a ditch by the time I was 25 talking all the nonsense I was about "slavery" and such, but I think I turned out ok :)


I disagree. I feel that being "BDSM-like" is similar to being gay in many respects. For many, they don't understand their desires and feelings regarding BDSM initially, much like many gay persons don't understand initially. BDSM is very much like being gay in that you become a social pariah, especially in your younger years. Imagine a 15 year old telling his best friend that he fantasizes about being tied up and used anally. Then imagine his best friend telling the rest of the school. Kinky kids are, by far, the minority. I am not suggesting that vanilla kids don't fantasize about kinky acts, I am saying that kids who are truly called to the lifestyle are less common.

Discovering one's sexuality is a complex and confusing process. Now add to it that you are "abnormal" compared to all those around you and it has gone from confusing to downright perplexing. Enter the Internet. Is the Internet really going to help a kid like this grow in a healthy way? Personally, I don't feel that it will (and I was a product of such an education). Does this mean I'm all screwed up? Of course not. I was fortunate enough to take what I saw and learned and incorporate it into myself in a healthy way. Keep in mind that this process took many years as I was conflicted for a very long time. This may not be the case for all kids.

I won't make any comparison of likeliness of predation on the Internet because I think the Internet is just as dangerous for all kids, kinky or vanilla.

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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/18/2007 2:38:49 PM   
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While I will agree there's a great deal of misinformation, I would suggest that young people tend to be better at sifting through garbage information than older people.  We can see this in the development of visual advertising; television commercials have to keep pace because successive generations have become better and better at recognizing a sham when they see one.

Honestly, I think older adults  (50+) trying to learn about the lifestyle online face far greater challenges than their  14-17 year old counterparts.  Assuming that teenagers don't know what the hell they're doing, and should be held to the same standards as 5-8 year olds is foolish.  Kids learn things we don't expect them to learn, long before we think they should be learning it. 

Personally, at 30, I truly wish I had had the same access to information at 15 that I do now.

Stephan


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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/18/2007 3:13:11 PM   
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Personally, at 30, I truly wish I had had the same access to information at 15 that I do now.

 
And I wish I had the access to the credit cards and toys and gear they can buy at age 15 that I do now!

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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/18/2007 3:28:55 PM   
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There was a similiar thread on this subject and my answer was that I would have wound up in deep doo-doo. I was curious so I emailed my older sister and she actually moaned out loud when I asked her how she thought I would have managed being a hormonal totally naive teen with internet access. I do not know if my filters would have been different, I wasn't online until my early 30s so that is hard to judge. However I am still overly trusting [according to some, I prefer to think of it as giving people a chance lol] and haven't found myself in a dangerous situation. But... as a teen? It would have been awfully hard for me to say no, my sister said I would have been a predators wet dream and a psychotics ultimate fantasy. There are things I would have learned at an earlier age that I needed to know. Such as basic biology! Yes folks, that whole birds n bees thing escaped my comphrension until my mid 20s. The research aspect would have thrilled me. The message boards and potential interactions with strangers would have thrilled me but it would have been terribly dangerous, for me. Sometimes I feel like there is a huge gap between me and people that began using computers when they were young. There were no computers in my junior high and only a few in high school, I don't think I knew anyone that used them and I went to a very well respected school. In college no one had personal computers until my last year when just a few had them and it seemed like such a novelty!Ackkkk my R is online, cutting this short.

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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/18/2007 3:45:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Stephann
Personally, at 30, I truly wish I had had the same access to information at 15 that I do now.

 
And I wish I had the access to the credit cards and toys and gear they can buy at age 15 that I do now!


Now that definitely would have gotten me killed!

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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/18/2007 3:50:15 PM   
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I was first exposed around age 18 but really didn't get involved until around age 23.  I miss some of those loops and treasure hunts you had to go through to get invited to parties.  I remember having to go the local fetish nights just to get the word.  I had a lesbian friend who had already "schooled" me on how to get invited.  She was in the military closeted.  She knew all the kinky people went to the only gay bar in town.  We'd act like we dated, and I'd wait until some of the kinky regulars would invite me.  I loved that set up back then. I also loved being one of the one's to recruit at the local gay club and even after I moved to Atlanta and we screened on Wednesday night at the Chamber (you old Atlanta folks remember the Wed night "How Do I Know I"m Kinky" classes at the Chamber between 1993-1997).  Though the net was around, it was kinda cool.

The net is a double edge sword to me, I love a lot of the resources and I don't like some of it.

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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/18/2007 4:16:24 PM   
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Well, being a member of the generation you are speaking of, I understand what you mean about the internet, however for me, being the person i am i know how to take things that i read or see, without being freaked out!  But less mature people i can see that the overload of information would throw them completely!

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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/18/2007 4:32:29 PM   
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As a 19 year old, who has been exposed to the internet for a few years now, I can say it's helped me learn well what I like and dislike- and of course help me to speak to like-minded and more experienced people.

While the negative effects may be there- I haven't seen them personally.

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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/18/2007 7:38:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: everhope
LA, i remember all this. i was thrilled to see you here..alive..doing well...and not in that friggin ditch. so much for the predictions of  the high and mighty in an aol chatroom. your candid honesty just freaked them out is all.

as always my best thoughts LA,
brenda

LOL glad someone can back up my story.  I never understood how they could spend hours oohing and aahing over someone's new nipple piercing, and then I tell them I sleep on the floor with my master when he fucks his other slave and suddenly OMG I'm a total clueless teen doormat who needs to be protected from herself.

Thanks, and I know I still owe you an email :)

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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/18/2007 7:43:47 PM   
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Discovering one's sexuality is a complex and confusing process. Now add to it that you are "abnormal" compared to all those around you and it has gone from confusing to downright perplexing. Enter the Internet. Is the Internet really going to help a kid like this grow in a healthy way? Personally, I don't feel that it will (and I was a product of such an education). Does this mean I'm all screwed up? Of course not. I was fortunate enough to take what I saw and learned and incorporate it into myself in a healthy way. Keep in mind that this process took many years as I was conflicted for a very long time. This may not be the case for all kids.

I won't make any comparison of likeliness of predation on the Internet because I think the Internet is just as dangerous for all kids, kinky or vanilla.

The bad part about being an exception to so many rules is that you can't really use my experience as a "norm" or what you can expect from my peers.

However, I can say that to suggest they deny their sexuality and relationship orientation isn't the solution.  I know you think it's "easier" to deny it, get into vanilla stuff and then LATER get into kink- but then you'd have what you have now- 30 and 40 yo getting divorced all over the place, acting like 14 yo girls again asking if they should go meet their new master they met two weeks ago online at their basement apartment in a bad part of town alone?

And I would say the continued proliferation of TNG groups and what they provide shows the biggest proof of where things will be going.  It doesn't really matter what any of us individuals think, teens can and will be coming out in droves in the kink world, there will be big changes coming.  I'm just the end of the first wave.

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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/18/2007 11:33:32 PM   
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If I had access at 18 to the same information that I do now, I know my life would be completely and utterly different.  Whether that's a good or bad thing, I'll never know.

I do know this.. I would have failed every frikking class in college if CM had existed back then...

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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/18/2007 11:38:16 PM   
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I'm only 23 now, and I'm certainly finding the internet useful. There's a part of me that does agree with what some people have said, though, about it encouraging fantasy at the expense of reality. I've gained information of various kinds, but I feel like in large part it's just made me feel even more self-conscious in my real-life relationships. It hasn't really helped me to "accept" my sexual preferences or anything like that, although it has allowed me to see how others put similar ideas into practice.

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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/18/2007 11:41:09 PM   
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I had some access to this information at 18. I also had no compulsion to seek it out. I met my reallife mentor at 18, and she directed me to the sites she believed were worthwhile, and steered me away from the ones that werent. I was so squeaky clean before I met her that aside from knowing that I liked to be i charge, I had no idea that I was into the lifestyle. Having the information easily accessible and knowing what in hells name to do with it are two differnent things.  Like any other topic to research, until you ca figure out which information is useful and what is just crap, you can read forever and learn nothing.

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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/19/2007 8:29:52 AM   
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What does this mean for young people who are kinky?


Ignorance is bliss, sometimes... I'm talking about My ignorance of my son's knowledge


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RE: If you were 18 years old now. - 12/19/2007 1:02:11 PM   
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And I would say the continued proliferation of TNG groups and what they provide shows the biggest proof of where things will be going.  It doesn't really matter what any of us individuals think, teens can and will be coming out in droves in the kink world, there will be big changes coming.  I'm just the end of the first wave.

Spot. On.


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