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RE: oral sex - 1/4/2008 1:49:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Maestro66babycak

I will appologize to him for the challenge he thought was there.
 
Hmmm, not sure it's appropriate or necessary for you to apologise for inadvertantly challenging his insecurities....
 
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I really didnt know Masters thought of oral as a 'power' thing and not a sexual release, I bet that is what he thinks as well.


Can't speak for other Masters as it's about power to *me* and I prefer the slightly different term of "oral service".  Oral sex (receiving) is neither here nor there for me without the D/s power dynamic.  How other Masters rationalise it (power trip or mere sexual release etc) is entirely up to their individual selves and relationship dynamic - there's no textbook guideline....
 
Like I said earlier, I think your Master sees giving it as "undominant".  To be honest, I'm still a bit like that myself....  So I take the time to set the scene.  That usually means "excluding" the girl as far as normal senses are concerned.  IE, she'll be trussed up like a Xmas turkey and if I am feeling a little "undominant" about it at a particular time, she gets blindfolded and maybe ear plugs and a gag for good measure.  Surely your Master can't feel "undominant" about something no-one else can see....?
 
Still, you two have bigger issues if you can't even discuss things he's uncomfortable about - good luck with that...!
 
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RE: oral sex - 1/4/2008 2:02:52 AM   
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How many times have you been giving the best bj some guy ever had in his life and felt a little twinge of power? 

This kind of evil scheming sub is someone I could get all paranoid about (lmao), which is why I mostly don't risk it....  That means there's one set of hands securely bound behind and the only other set present has a firm grip on the girl's hair or head. 
 
Who's ya daddy now?  ;-)
 
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RE: oral sex - 1/4/2008 2:10:37 AM   
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Master likes to see me in a state of arousal.  What instrument He chooses is totally His decision.  That the instrument of arousal is occassionally His tongue and mouth, well, that is His decision.  Now there are some who simply do not want the slave's head to be higher than the Master's so that could be fixed by hanging the slave upside-down. 

Personally, i think there are plenty of men who simply do not like to perform oral sex, they think it's nasty, and being Dominant they say to themselves "oh thank all the gods I never have to do that again!"  There are plenty of men who have a love-hate relationship with female genitalia and some of those men are also Dominants.

Like the others, i would be much more concerned with a Master who is unwilling to have an adult discussion about an honest inquiry.

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RE: oral sex - 1/4/2008 2:16:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

i agree with the majority...but may i add some food for thought?  How many times have you been giving the best bj some guy ever had in his life and felt a little twinge of power?  For some Doms i know, a woman performing oral is a bit of a dominant act when it's amazing, (or perhaps i'm telling too much of my biz)  that's why they invented face fucking etc...to retain power in "oral situations" so i've been told.


He's got the power regardless of the name... bj, face fucking,  Oh, one position I rather enjoy (ok, I love it) is to be laying between His legs and He will 'trap' me there with His legs.  We're talkin wrapping His legs around my body tightly and squeezing His legs together... me pressing closer into Him, thus, His shaft going down my throat! 

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RE: oral sex - 1/4/2008 3:07:28 AM   
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 This kind of evil scheming sub is someone I could get all paranoid about (lmao), which is why I mostly don't risk it....  That means there's one set of hands securely bound behind and the only other set present has a firm grip on the girl's hair or head. 
 
Who's ya daddy now?  ;-) 
   trying to type a reply, but on the phone with Qantas trying to convince them they should give me an oral sex discount...

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RE: oral sex - 1/4/2008 4:09:23 PM   
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Dear Babycake,

when I have a serious question, I usually brood over it, then blurt it out without any structure. To overcome this, my Master has instructed me in a way to deal with my questions/issues (steming from a endlessly curious monkey mind) in two ways. 
Firstly, should it be urgent (for me that is) I must approach him, and start off the sentance with "I have a very important question that I wish to ask" (as I once blurted out that I WAS going to do something! which ofcourse was received with a frown and punishment, as I am NEVER to tell him what I will or willnot do that will affect his life..) this allows him to take with a large pinch of patience the next words that would be badly arranged, and possibly offensive in their lack of servitude.
The second way of communication, (as I am in awe of him, and despite being a very chatty person with my girlfriends, tend to not say much when around a dominant) is to write on my blog. He TELLS me to go and blog when he sees that my mind is working overtime (and thus distracting me from focusing on his daily needs,as I become self-absorbed). Once I have blogged,I feel much better, and as I tend to suffer from breath retention when nervous, it allows me to also relax once "it's out".
He then can read my blog, and will, in his own time, bring up the issue, either with his answer, or specific questions so that he can better understand how I work. ( my blog is anonymous, but yet for me a very strong way of bringing out confused thoughts, and the typing of them does help, almost what they call "automatic writing")

This form of communication works for both of us, for you to find what works for you.

Concerning oral sex, the only person who REALLY knows why he does not wish too, is him, and like an onion, there are many layers and thus reasons overlaid that might explain his reaction... 

As to the d/s dynamics, I have learnt, as a newbie here, that there seems to be a sliding scale between 24/7 and just occasional playtime or scenes. What is your relationship on this scale?
I am in a 24/7, and luckily for me, I receive and give alot of pleasure to my Dom, but every time I discover (with him, as each coupling is unique, and what worked with a previous partner does not necessarily with another, weither due to anatomy or personal style!) anyway, each time I discover a new pleasure, I tell my Master, to that he knows I enjoy it, and from then on he decides when and where.  This relieves me of  1. satisfying my own insatiable urges. 2.using him for such satisfaction.3.not forgetting that I am there to serve, even if it is to be sexually aroused...
He always says before "because you have been so good...." this is to remind me that ALL pleasure is earned, and it is a WONDERFUL motor, besides adoring him and wishing his comfort, to strive to make his hedonistic needs met.

This is ofcourse our d/s protocol, and it works uniquely because of who we are.

Some people do not have much in the way of  communication skills, but does not mean they do not feel something strongly.
I wish you all the best in  finding a way of communication that will bring both of you to a point of re-conciliation, and if not, to, as wisely suggested, deeply question (yourself, as he has quit the discussion) what it is you wish from this d/s dynamics?

all the best
vava

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RE: oral sex - 1/4/2008 6:28:15 PM   
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Master Druid insists to luna all the time that no question is irrevelent save the one that is unaskedand that communication between adults involves calm attitudes, open honesty, and knowledge.  luna is thinking that perhaps the dominant in question doesn't have the same level of respect for intelligence that other dominants possess and that worries luna.  luna doesn't think she would ever kneel to a master who got angry and punished her for requesting clarification. 
 
as far as oral sex being a submissive act?  luna can't say that when she is tied to the bed and gagged with Master between her legs that she could POSSIBLY be in a dominant frame of mind!  It is not the act itself that is dominant or submissive, it is how the act is carried out. 
 
luna agrees with others, sounds like the master in this instance has an aversion to or mental issue with oral sex and is hiding his insecurities behind the "dominant" excuse.  anytime someone uses their "role" to hide from their own insecurities, they are lying to themselves and the person they claim to care for.  (IMHO)
 
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RE: oral sex - 1/5/2008 2:37:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

quote:

 This kind of evil scheming sub is someone I could get all paranoid about (lmao), which is why I mostly don't risk it....  That means there's one set of hands securely bound behind and the only other set present has a firm grip on the girl's hair or head. 
 
Who's ya daddy now?  ;-) 
   trying to type a reply, but on the phone with Qantas trying to convince them they should give me an oral sex discount...

See, I knew it; evil and scheming subs everywhere!!!!
 
Can't we just be friends....?
 

 
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RE: oral sex - 1/5/2008 6:26:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bluebird

Or perhaps he's just selfish ...  
 


Maybe, but giving oral involves a healthy dose of self-interest, too.

As to the OP's question, I suppose it depends on the dynamic.

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RE: oral sex - 1/5/2008 2:09:58 PM   
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Any female subs out there whose Master won't give them oral sex, just come my way!

Seriously, it's one of my favorite activities, and I don't have a submissive thought in my cortices. It's one of my favorite ways to pleasure and contol my sub and even, on occasion, to hurt her. Putting the very tip of her clit between my teeth and squeezing definitely gets her attention! And with my former sub, at least, produced immense, squirting orgasms.

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RE: oral sex - 1/5/2008 2:33:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Focus50

See, I knew it; evil and scheming subs everywhere!!!!
 
Can't we just be friends....?
 

 
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Nice new picture Focus

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RE: oral sex - 1/5/2008 3:16:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Focus50

See, I knew it; evil and scheming subs everywhere!!!!
 
Can't we just be friends....?
 

 
Focus.


Nice new picture Focus

girly

Thanx, it was time - last one was circa 2005.  And nothing says Xmas like rellies with a camera... lol
 
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RE: oral sex - 1/5/2008 5:20:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirJohnMandevill

Any female subs out there whose Master won't give them oral sex, just come my way!

Seriously, it's one of my favorite activities, and I don't have a submissive thought in my cortices. It's one of my favorite ways to pleasure and contol my sub and even, on occasion, to hurt her. Putting the very tip of her clit between my teeth and squeezing definitely gets her attention! And with my former sub, at least, produced immense, squirting orgasms.

Les (Purveyor of Fine, Handcrafted Kink)


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RE: oral sex - 1/5/2008 5:38:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirJohnMandevill

Any female subs out there whose Master won't give them oral sex, just come my way!

Les (Purveyor of Fine, Handcrafted Kink)


SirJohn !!  I'm surprised !!, trying to lure them away with that tongue..  LoL
or maybe it's that big mustach !!

< Message edited by SadisticMan -- 1/5/2008 5:39:05 PM >


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RE: oral sex - 1/5/2008 6:03:48 PM   
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I think I may be related to Gene Simmons   We were talking about tongues, weren't we?

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RE: oral sex - 1/5/2008 6:42:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CalifChick
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Cali


Ah, Cali...if only you weren't three hours behind and a continent away!

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RE: oral sex - 1/5/2008 6:49:31 PM   
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Master absolutely loves going down on His women.  He would never deny Himself the pleasure of doing so because some people see it as a "submissive" act.  How can an act that a dominant loves performing be a "submissive" act?  It's impossible.  He doesn't "serve" me by doing it.  He serves His own desires and self-interest.  It's just a wonderfully happy coincidence that I happen to love, love, love His skill in that department.  How it can be considered "submissive" to reduce me to a puddle that He utterly controls and have me like putty in His hands is beyond my comprehension................luci

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RE: oral sex - 1/5/2008 7:00:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirJohnMandevill

Ah, Cali...if only you weren't three hours behind and a continent away!

Les (Purveyor of Fine, Handcrafted Kink and Obscenely Orgasmic Mustache Rides)


Well it's not like you would have to walk...

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RE: oral sex - 1/5/2008 8:52:42 PM   
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In my opinion a particular act isn't dominant or submissive but the context in which it is followed through can be. If I am with a vanilla woman  and initiate it for pure pleasure theres no power exchange. If Master commands me to have oral sex with someone than I am being submissive. If Master wants to perform oral sex  on me and commands me to open my legs or whatever I am still being submissive to him. He isn't being submissive by doing something he wants and takes.

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RE: oral sex - 1/5/2008 9:19:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

i agree with the majority...but may i add some food for thought?  How many times have you been giving the best bj some guy ever had in his life and felt a little twinge of power?  For some Doms i know, a woman performing oral is a bit of a dominant act when it's amazing, (or perhaps i'm telling too much of my biz)  that's why they invented face fucking etc...to retain power in "oral situations" so i've been told.


I am a slave and I have felt this power in my oral service. I can say that I never look at it as if I am in control. I'm very aware that I am not and that he can simply push me from him if he wishes. That being said, the feeling can be very powerful when he lays and relaxes and you become aware that you are pushing all his buttons in just the right way not because you're in control but because he trusts you to please him in your own way. I hope that made sense, hehe.

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