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"Prostrate Check" training a responsibility f... - 1/3/2008 3:46:36 PM

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It appears that many Dommes and bois engage in prostate play. Morbity rates indicate a high incidence of prostate cancer. (Men's Health is one of my gigs)

As a male D I see it as part of my 'care' to point out lumps in breasts or vaginas for medical examination.

As part of the Domme dynamic of care towards a sub- what are the views of Dommes towards care of a boi's prostates? Does this care extend towards notifying them of suspicious lumps etc.

Are there any boi's who have engaged in prostate play knowing they have cancerous growths? Is there an enhancement in play with the growths?

Should Dommes receive training at Clubs for this?

Warm regards to all contributers. Driver.

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RE: "Prostrate Check" training a responsibili... - 1/3/2008 3:49:24 PM

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Medical issues are best left to medical professionals, assuming you meant prostate and not prostrate (the vision of a man lying prostrate on the ground is a whole 'nother thing).

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RE: "Prostrate Check" training a responsibili... - 1/3/2008 3:49:31 PM

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Is there an enhancement in play with the growths?

Warm regards to all contributers. Driver.

Aw jeez Driver. That really made me wince. As to what you ask? I would hope that anyone in a relationship would point out something they see medically wrong in their partner, to me that is a human thing.

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RE: "Prostrate Check" training a responsibili... - 1/3/2008 3:51:21 PM

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Left to the professionals I agree with, but there are many times that someone is unaware that they have a lump/growth etc. That is for me, when a basically responsible partner speaks up.

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RE: "Prostrate Check" training a responsibili... - 1/3/2008 3:51:49 PM

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I read a report about five years ago, can't remember where though, that said that most lumps and such are usually found by a partner. Makes sense to me. I would most definitely tell someone if I felt something that I thought could be of a concern. It doesn't fall into the realm of bdsm for me...more like a good thing to do kind of thing.

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RE: "Prostrate Check" training a responsibili... - 1/3/2008 4:03:52 PM

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I think you mean Prostate Cancer... surely laying face down in a semi spread eagle postion doesn't cause cancer :)

Yes I would report any lumps found during play just as I would expect someone to report a lump that might be found on me.

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RE: "Prostrate Check" training a responsibili... - 1/3/2008 4:13:39 PM

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I think you mean Prostate Cancer... surely laying face down in a semi spread eagle postion doesn't cause cancer :)

No, laying down in that position does not cause cancer. But it may be helpful in its detection.

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RE: "Prostrate Check" training a responsibili... - 1/3/2008 4:14:09 PM

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While I completely concur with CalifChick and believe that regular exams by a pro are DEFINITELY required.....

This whole concept is one that has often entered my mind. Why not trian a Dom/Domme in how to do the normal self exams along with a few extras? Men are told to explore the testicals for unusual lumps and woman are told to do the same on breasts. Why not make an explorative exploration part of our play?

I do, of course, believe the Dom/Domme should require an annual exploration by a medical professional as well. Wouldn't it be REAL juicey if you found a kink friendly professional that let the Dom/Domme be a part of the real exam????

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RE: "Prostrate Check" training a responsibili... - 1/3/2008 5:02:20 PM

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When I dismissed the idea, I was really referring to the "training at clubs" aspect, not referring to withholding information about suspicious things found on a partner.

I may be a bitch sometimes, but I'm not THAT big of a bitch.

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RE: "Prostrate Check" training a responsibili... - 1/3/2008 5:16:39 PM

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Doh, where was my head? stuck in my prostates? (Can I delete a letter in my thread title?????

Thanks to date for the contributions. Men's health services/awareness are ultimately the responsibility of men. Men being the stereotypical 'individual' group distinct from the women 'collective' group that have empowered themselves and obtained better medical services/awareness. Men appear to be their own worst enemies.

Friends (and my father) have lain prostrate with worsening prostates without obtaining medical intervention until till late.

A subbie I met had the most unusual job description I have encountered. She was the model and examiner of medicos (last year of doctor training) for cervical testing.(Yes she was into medical play!). She stated many doctors (22 to 28 yrs) did not have the understanding to correlate text book to actual experience for cervical examinations (many Asians were virgins) hence her work. She was unaware of training for prostate examinantions- cautioning they may exist however.

The question of Dommes' awareness in this regard was raised hence this thread.

Thanks to the posts so far and yes Camille- There is bound (pun intended) to be someone able to shed light!

MUTTLING! Yes! your thoughts are similar to mine. I question whether clubs are an avenue to not only demonstrate 'safe' play but also 'safe play with heightened awareness towards health issues that we can reasonably encounter'

Warm regards Driver.

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RE: "Prostrate Check" training a responsibili... - 1/3/2008 5:26:37 PM

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When I dismissed the idea, I was really referring to the "training at clubs" aspect, not referring to withholding information about suspicious things found on a partner.

I may be a bitch sometimes, but I'm not THAT big of a bitch.

Cali

I never assumed you were a bitch Cali! but we are our on sternest judges! Why do you dismiss the concept of training at clubs?

I for one, would be interested in having a medical professional explain lumps on breasts, vagina etc. Subs into Medical play would willingly assist. These demonstrations would in no way nullify a person's self-responsibility to medical examinations but would add an edge to a top's exploration and ministrations.

Warm regards Driver.

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RE: "Prostrate Check" training a responsibili... - 1/3/2008 5:39:19 PM

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I never assumed you were a bitch Cali! but we are our on sternest judges! Why do you dismiss the concept of training at clubs?

I for one, would be interested in having a medical professional explain lumps on breasts, vagina etc. Subs into Medical play would willingly assist. These demonstrations would in no way nullify a person's self-responsibility to medical examinations but would add an edge to a top's exploration and ministrations.

I'm not sure I can really express my hesitation the way I'm feeling it (yeah, I know, me - at a loss for words - who knew it could happen??). To me, there is a huge difference between a doctor or nurse or other licensed professional showing me how to examine my own breasts, what is normal, what is not normal on me, and training someone ELSE that is NOT a professional how to do the same thing to me. Would I then rely on that other person and not do it myself? Would I stop going for professional exams?

It is hard enough to get (most) men to see a doctor... if they could have some hot Domme checking their prostate, instead of some old gray haired dude, well, I'm thinking that's what they would lean towards (yes, yes, I know, lots and lots of generalizations there).

This isn't something you can teach in a few minutes. It's something you become skilled at by training, by using medical models, by experience.

I guess it feels kinda like if I were to read a massage book and maybe take one class, then I might be able to give a passable massage, but that still wouldn't make me a massage therapist. But hey, I would be trained, after all, I took a class, right?

I think my hesitation is also colored by the fact that I have had a breast lump, and did have it removed (it was not cancer). I did not feel it, my doctor did not feel it, it was found on a routine mammogram when I turned 35. I would hesitate to encourage anything that might cause people to find the one excuse they need to stop seeing their doctor.

Okay, I'm sure that I've rambled on here. Like I said, it gives me not-so-good feelings, but that's just my opinion.

Cali

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RE: "Prostrate Check" training a responsibili... - 1/3/2008 5:45:54 PM

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I agree that there are a lot of men reluctant to go for a prostate exam, I'm not sure though that having someone 'casually' check them would dissuade them even more? I could very well be wrong lol.The idea is a good one IMO, being aware of the body and changes in it. I think it could also be of educational value for both sexes and both sides of the whip. *so says the woman who runs away at the very word gynocologist!*

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RE: "Prostrate Check" training a responsibili... - 1/3/2008 5:50:35 PM

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Um granted Cali.... Yes a little bit of knowledge can be more damaging than none- think of threads here on wanna be Dominants and Subs- misunderstandings abound. You were not rambling but appear to be grasping words whilst experiencing emotions. It adds to the impact of your words....

Those that learn about needle play, tens, wands, etc at clubs are (generally) more responsible to understand limitations and your example of your lump only appearing on a mammogram is a perfect example to demonstrate the need for regular medical checks. (These checks are generally annually and alot can occur in a given year in our heads- let alone our bodies!)

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RE: "Prostrate Check" training a responsibili... - 1/3/2008 6:46:37 PM

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If I ever find anything out of the "norm" with my sub I tell him immediately so that he can go to a qualified physician to have it checked out. I don't think Domme's should be "trained" to give prostate exams unless they so happen to be a medical doctor. But I think any responsible Domme should surely tell their sub if they find anything unusual.

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RE: "Prostrate Check" training a responsibili... - 1/3/2008 7:48:34 PM

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I respect and ADORE you CalifChick, please do not take these comments to be disrespectful or be unappreciative of your point of view....

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I'm not sure I can really express my hesitation the way I'm feeling it (yeah, I know, me - at a loss for words - who knew it could happen??). To me, there is a huge difference between a doctor or nurse or other licensed professional showing me how to examine my own breasts, what is normal, what is not normal on me, and training someone ELSE that is NOT a professional how to do the same thing to me. Would I then rely on that other person and not do it myself? Would I stop going for professional exams?

I am definitely NOT advocating your reliance on doing the job over you and I sure as hell wouldn't want you to stop going for professional exams.

I am just suggesting that it might be fun and helpful to ask your Dom to do some additional exams on a regular basis.  Your Dom should also track when you are required to go to a professional and make certain that you do so.   Finally, it would be pretty cool if that professional let the Dom observe or even participate in the exam.

I am not and DO NOT advocate replacement of self/ professional exams. I am suggesting that supplemental exams could be a very fun and very healthy game to play.

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It is hard enough to get (most) men to see a doctor... if they could have some hot Domme checking their prostate, instead of some old gray haired dude, well, I'm thinking that's what they would lean towards (yes, yes, I know, lots and lots of generalizations there).

Yep, yep............Guys are a far bigger problem than gals on this subject.   All the more reason why my concept would be a good idea for Dommes.

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This isn't something you can teach in a few minutes. It's something you become skilled at by training, by using medical models, by experience.

I am not suggesting that the Dom/Domme replace good practices.   I am suggesting that the Dom/Domme REQUIRE good practices and supplement them with practices of their own.

I am NOT suggesting or advocating replacement of self exams/ professional exams.   I am recommending supplementation of self exams and strict enforcement of the requirement for professional exams.

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RE: "Prostate Check" training a responsibilit... - 1/3/2008 7:55:07 PM

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There Driver, all taken care of. And will stay that way unless someone changes it back.

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RE: "Prostate Check" training a responsibilit... - 1/3/2008 8:27:25 PM

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Ha, thankyou cuffnspank!!!!

(Eyes still laughing and shaking head here at keyboard in 95 degree Australia.)

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RE: "Prostrate Check" training a responsibili... - 1/3/2008 8:53:27 PM

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I respect and ADORE you CalifChick,

Well of course you do darlin'.

And I respect your opinion as well. The "training in clubs" is just bothering me. It seems to just take it a bit farther than my personal comfort level.

One of the toughest things I think, is that there are so many different ways that things can feel and be "normal." I'm guessing that a hot het male like yourself knows that not all breasts feel the same. Some are normally lumpy, some feel stringy, some hard, some soft... all of which can be normal. And all of which can change day to day based on hormone levels. So if you take on the responsibility, if you will, of doing my breast exam, you take on the responsibility of knowing when this lumpy bit or that lumpy bit is not normal.

I would hate for a guy to justify to himself to stop going to the doctor because his Dr. Domme (who managed to have someone train her) says his prostate is fine. Unless she has a real medical degree. I just see that as a very real slippery slope to try to stand on.

Now having said all that, if you can talk your doctor into letting me repeatedly slide my gloved fingers into your ass while you're bent over an exam table, well, then I'll book my ticket to Tennessee right now.

Cali
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RE: "Prostrate Check" training a responsibili... - 1/3/2008 9:14:37 PM

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While I feel I have enough medical knowledge to perform a prostate exam and know if something were noticably wrong I would nevertheless have my submissive see his Doctor for the exam regularly rather than relying on my judgement alone. That being said I feel it is something useful to know seeing as many men enjoy anal and prostate stimulation so it may be that their Top/partner has the opportunity more often to check things out in there so to speak than how often one might see the doctor for an exam. Seeing as I don't enjoy micromanaging I would expect my sub/slave to be proactive in making his own appointments and keeping on top of his health. People in general don't perform self-exams as often as we should (I'm guilty as well) and it's well known that the sooner you find something abnormal the higher the chance of survival if it is cancerous.

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