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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 4:05:34 PM

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Ahhhh, is that so?..... Then you would be an expert on ALL things submissive or dominant?.....

You see it is in using the term of "true" that your statement falls within the grounds of ridiculous. You in fact would have no such choices, allowed if you were mine... Does that in fact rendor me untrue or false? I am not a participative dominant; it is in fact my way or the highway in many instances... If you hold the opinion all dominants must conform to your version of the truth; it is rather certain that others would not side with you, hence even provoking more members into my "untrue" fraternity...

You see girl, to state that to be true I or any dominant must be what you say, is in fact topping from the bottom or whatever postion you claim to be yours. It may be true that your owner, dom or sub may in fact discuss things with you, but to claim that someone not doing so is not true is simply your opinion and in fact not all that valued by many I would venture to say...

Don't take this as an attack on your postion, take it as a response from anothers position.

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A true Dominant never makes a sub do something that they are totally against such as a hard limit. They discuss it and the decision that is made is respected.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 4:20:55 PM

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It's a non-sexual order, it's not something you'd ever considered he'd exert control over, he feels he's well within his rights to tell you to do it, and there's no harm to you in doing it (again, with the voting example we're glossing over the concept of voting in the "wrong" guy who would enact policy unfavorable to you). Does that turn into a discussion about limits? Do you acquiesce and do as you're told? Do you get livid and leave him? What if you do have those discussions and he absolutely refuses to back down? Then what?

The part that I bolded is key for us. If doing his will does not harm me, then his will is done. It doesn't matter whether the instruction is sexual or related to BDSM or not.

Just this morning I was given a task to do that he needs for his job. I was told that it had to be completed today no matter what. Anything else I wanted to do today was put on hold until I completed that task. Definitely not kink related nor romantic, but I happily did what he wanted. Alandra was able to go out and have coffee with a friend, but since I didn't know how long it would take me to finish, I stayed home and did work with no hard feelings or negative issues because of it.

Of course, it helps that I am now able to do these types of things after spending over two years craving to be able to be here if something came up and he needed something.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 4:27:10 PM

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It's absolutely different for me. I already voted for Himself. He's the man in office, the head honcho, the decision maker. If he wants someone specific to lead this country, which in turn may effect me, I have no problems at all with obeying his decision to cast a ballot for a particular person. I trust him with my life, my body, my mind, my heart ... but I'm not supposed to trust him with my vote?

I guess if I read the whole thread first, I could have just quoted this and said, "ditto".

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 4:42:23 PM

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This topic, though, to me, illustrates why hypotheticals are so pointless. Why not just ask, "Has anyone submissive or slave ever been ordered by their Dominant or Master to vote a certain way? And, if so, did they refuse or obey? Why or why not?" What's wrong with asking direct questions?

I believe this thread is inspired by a very direct question about voting in this section of the boards. I don't know if that helps answer your question.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 4:46:46 PM

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It's absolutely different for me. I already voted for Himself. He's the man in office, the head honcho, the decision maker. If he wants someone specific to lead this country, which in turn may effect me, I have no problems at all with obeying his decision to cast a ballot for a particular person. I trust him with my life, my body, my mind, my heart ... but I'm not supposed to trust him with my vote?

I guess if I read the whole thread first, I could have just quoted this and said, "ditto".

Knight's Kyra

i don't usually do this but, i have to say "Ditto", too. Thanks, for saying it so well.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 4:48:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: takenbyjohnr07

A true Dominant never makes a sub do something that they are totally against such as a hard limit. They discuss it and the decision that is made is respected.

Perhaps this should be a different thread....But, seeing as to how there was such great wisdom well thought out words here, i took the liberty of copying and pasting this to Him...Instructing Him of course, that our entire dynamics of our relationship have been wrong...And giving Him point by point examples of how he may want to correct it...That was good of me, don't ya think??

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 4:52:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy
This topic, though, to me, illustrates why hypotheticals are so pointless. Why not just ask, "Has anyone submissive or slave ever been ordered by their Dominant or Master to vote a certain way? And, if so, did they refuse or obey? Why or why not?" What's wrong with asking direct questions?

I believe this thread is inspired by a very direct question about voting in this section of the boards. I don't know if that helps answer your question.

Okay, i missed that thread. i guess i should go read it. It does help to know the context of the question posed here. Thank you.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 4:59:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: takenbyjohnr07

A true Dominant never makes a sub do something that they are totally against such as a hard limit. They discuss it and the decision that is made is respected.

Perhaps this should be a different thread....But, seeing as to how there was such great wisdom well thought out words here, i took the liberty of copying and pasting this to Him...Instructing Him of course, that our entire dynamics of our relationship have been wrong...And giving Him point by point examples of how he may want to correct it...That was good of me, don't ya think??

Holy SHEEEEEEEEEEET sister! Get the ice packs and the pain meds... you're not gonna be able to sit for a WEEK!

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 5:00:29 PM

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Heh!!! Good thing i have me one of them there "Spare a Dom's" then huh??? Damn it all to hell, i went and emailed it to both of them!!!!

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 5:02:42 PM

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Check your health insurance... this might get ugly.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 5:04:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kalista07

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ORIGINAL: takenbyjohnr07

A true Dominant never makes a sub do something that they are totally against such as a hard limit. They discuss it and the decision that is made is respected.

Perhaps this should be a different thread....But, seeing as to how there was such great wisdom well thought out words here, i took the liberty of copying and pasting this to Him...Instructing Him of course, that our entire dynamics of our relationship have been wrong...And giving Him point by point examples of how he may want to correct it...That was good of me, don't ya think??

*snickers* Careful! Twue submissives and slaves never tell their owner that they are wrong and there aren't enough twue subbies and slaves on this board!

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 5:40:39 PM

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What an interesting question. I have wondered about it through reading all the replies.

The sorts of Doms I'm attracted to tend to be level-headed conversationalists ... but they also tended to toss out the inevitable "DO IT!" with no further discussion. It would be extremely difficult for me to vote for someone I thought would do a terrible job, difficult for me to even vote for one of the Big Two candidates, but when it came right down to it I would vote for whomever I was told to vote for. (Although I might protest some.)

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 5:48:14 PM

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So what would happen if something similar comes up? It's a non-sexual order, it's not something you'd ever considered he'd exert control over, he feels he's well within his rights to tell you to do it, and there's no harm to you in doing it (again, with the voting example we're glossing over the concept of voting in the "wrong" guy who would enact policy unfavorable to you). Does that turn into a discussion about limits? Do you acquiesce and do as you're told? Do you get livid and leave him? What if you do have those discussions and he absolutely refuses to back down? Then what?

slave- "I will do ANYTHING you want, Master, no matter how sick or depraved or twisted."

Master: "ANYTHING?"

slave: "ANYTHING!"

Master: "OK, paint My house."

Variation of an old joke, but worthwhile anyway.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 6:23:00 PM

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When we got together, one of the conditions of my contract was that he wouldn't ask me to do something that I find morally wrong. Voting for someone that I don't feel is the best choice has long term ramifications beyond our lifetimes. I would consider that morally wrong.

One of the things that Master loves about me is my activism and involvement with our community and charities. So, he's never even attempted to subjugate my politics.

Luckily, we share many of the same view points and when we don't we enjoy a lively discussion about our different views.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 6:28:36 PM

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Couples i have met over the years who are in long term stable D/s love (some married) relationships all say the same thing as i stated before. That's where i got it from. i think the advice is very good advice and i follow it. So does my Owner. Respect is universal and helps a couple's relationship thrive.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 6:30:04 PM

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Rough indeed, something I've noted countless times.

It's not the "no" which gets you, it's the vehement "And I'd be pissed if he tried!" You are right, it is such a complete contrast to everything else they claim to be focused on AND imo so often shows a lack of security and understanding.

If I know it's a no, what's there to get pissed about? If I know it's a possibility, then I've accepted it as it is.

So much struggle.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 6:32:23 PM

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Couples i have met over the years who are in long term stable D/s love (some married) relationships all say the same thing as i stated before. That's where i got it from. i think the advice is very good advice and i follow it. So does my Owner. Respect is universal and helps a couple's relationship thrive.

So those that don't agree with your way of thinking don't have respect for each other? I hope that isn't what you are saying.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 6:57:28 PM

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I wouldn't protest. I don't pick and choose which commands I'll obey. I think the odds of him ever commanding me in such a way are slim to none, though.

Celeste

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 7:01:10 PM

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No, i am not saying that at all. i was responding to a previous post and letting them know why i believe in respect and think it is so important for me.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 7:03:37 PM

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Couples i have met over the years who are in long term stable D/s love (some married) relationships all say the same thing as i stated before. That's where i got it from. i think the advice is very good advice and i follow it. So does my Owner. Respect is universal and helps a couple's relationship thrive.

What you said was "No real dominant would ask" not "No real dominant would disregard the sub's hard limit and ask anyway".

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