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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 7:06:34 PM   
takenbyjohnr07


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Yes, this was the advice i was given by people who are in long term and loving relations. i thought it was good advice and i live by it. It has worked for me so far.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 7:07:49 PM   
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The advice you were given was "No real dom would ever ask a submissive to vote the way he says"?

Edited to add: Please understand - the issue people are having is that you said "No real dom would ever ask his sub to this" and then talked about disrespecting a sub's hard limits as your reasoning for the statement. Now, if you read this thread there are many subs saying that it isn't a hard limit and they wouldn't think anything of it. So, are their dominants not real doms if they ask their submissives to vote a particular way?

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 7:15:04 PM   
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i understand what you are saying. i am "only" referring to subs that take that as a hard limit. There are many posts on this thread that have stated that in one form or another. If you don't care who you vote for then it's no big deal If it's not a hard limit then the point is moot. It's just about hard limits and respect. Nothing else.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 7:25:39 PM   
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You may want to provide more detail in future posts to avoid such confusions. The term "real dom" is heavily loaded and many people will question any "real dom" statement.

I really don't think it's that these women don't care who they vote for though, it's that they trust their owner to make the right choice. I understand the logic, I simply don't agree with it in my relationship.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 7:34:37 PM   
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I really have to stay out of threads that smack of "true this or true that".

The endless comparisons of "you are not a good enough sub if you don't ____ or vote _____ are just ridiculous to me. No one ever has or will or could tell me what to think or how to vote.

In any relationship I am in, I voice my opinions and if my partner does not agree, I try to get them to see my point and then I move on with my life.

Devotion to one's partner is not mutually exclusive to devotion to your own mindset.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 7:45:31 PM   
OmegaG


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my grandmother told me that it was very common in her generation for the husband to tell the wife how to vote and she would.

Since I am fairly well versed in polotics, it would seem like a waste of my talent to just dictate my vote to me,

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 7:51:51 PM   
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I would do it without blinking an eye.  I really don't find it objectionable at all.  And, since politics isn't my strong suit, I'd trust his opinion on the best choice, above my own. 
And If I did happen to feel strongly about one candidate over another,  I'd find it very sexy to be forced to vote opposite of what I really want.  It'd probably make me all wet.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 7:52:09 PM   
BabyDollVanIsle


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You can't possibly have a 'rule' or a BDSM protocol about a Master telling a slave how to vote.

it is just a one on one situation for each M/s to decide for themselves if control goes that way.

even if you HAD a well agreed upon rule about this, people still have to decide one on one.


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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 8:40:57 PM   
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After reading this thread I started thinking about things.
I submit to Him fully at all times but I know that I am able to make choises on my own at any given time.
One thing that Master has always told me is I have a mind of my own, I am a grown woman and can make choices on my own. The thing is, if He tells me to do something, such as voting one way or another, I am still an adult that is capable of making choises on my own. I accept any consiquinces that follow the choice I have made be it that I follow what Master has said or if I chose to do something else be it good or bad.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/8/2008 9:13:02 PM   
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My Master would have no problem convincing me to vote for the candidate of his choosing, or to carry out any other non-sexual order.  I do laugh a little at the term "order," as I don't often feel I am being ordered around...well, not very often!  We're both intelligent, educated people and have our own opinions; however, he is unquestionably the boss.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/9/2008 11:28:23 AM   
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I answered on the other thread, the origional one about voting, that I wouldnt have to worry because I know that forcing me to vote a certain way isnt something my Sir would do, but if he were to request me to vote a specific way, I would, and I would trust that he had good reason to. I trust the choices he makes for me in everything else, and I trust his politcal veiws too. I am lucky in that with most things political, we agree compleatly, with just enough subtle differences that we can have really interesting conversations about current events. There are other aspects of our life where we dont always agree, and usually he takes the time to listen to my side of the argument. sometimes he takes my side into consideration, sometimes he doesnt. Sometimes he doesnt listen at all and his way is just the way its going to be. Sometimes thats hard for me, and sometimes I come on here and whine and complain and vent so that I dont have any more venting to do by the time he gets home. but just becasue I dont agree and I complain about it, doesnt mean I dont do it...and I try very hard not to complain to him about it.

arent you all glad to know youve been used?

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/9/2008 2:11:43 PM   
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I live with my Master, and yes he makes all the choices, but most of the time we have discussions about the topic, we talk about it and then he makes that final decision. (whether it be ever day lif or bdsm). If he ordered me to vote his way, sure I would do that. But, who I am and the person I am is why he chose to make me his slave. Changing that would change those things about me. The whole relationship between D/s or M/s is all about respect.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/9/2008 3:58:15 PM   
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It's all about the initial negotiation. You probably aren't getting the responses you want here because you didn't properly decontextualize your question from the voting thread, and everyone is still talking about voting.

But lets talk about some other things that a Dom might control:

- What type of vehicle you purchase when you purchase a new vehicle
- Where you work, what kind of job you have, or whether you must quit your current job
- What you wear, and/or what hygiene/beauty products you use
- What kind of music you listen to
- Who your friends are, and how often you may hang out with them, and in what contexts
- Your diet
- Your finances
- Your right to personal privacy, or lack thereof ("Tomorrow, when they come visit, you will tell your entire family that you are my slave.")
- Your hobbies ("Guess what, you're a painter now. Here are your brushes! Now put down that soldering iron and throw all that electronics crap away.")
- Your politics. . .already mentioned at length
- Your community/volunteer involvement ("While I am at work during they day, you will volunteer at the Senior center down the street.")
- Your daily habits (how much computer/internet time you get, how long you are allowed to be in the shower, when you eat meals, what you can watch on TV, how much time on the X-box, etc)
- What your college major is, or whether you do or do not go to school at all
- What your skillset is ("I'm sending you to get certified as a massage therapist" or even "Your grammar is atrocious. I'm getting you a writing tutor and I expect you to improve.")

I'm sure I could think of more if I tried, but this is a good starting list of non BDSM things that a Dom could ask to assume control of in your life, especially if you identify as a slave. How do people feel about most of these things?

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/9/2008 4:44:36 PM   
sambamanslilgirl


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since i'm not a slave, my dominants don't control every aspect of my private life. 




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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/9/2008 5:34:17 PM   
RoughFN


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quote:

It's all about the initial negotiation. You probably aren't getting the responses you want here because you didn't properly decontextualize your question from the voting thread, and everyone is still talking about voting.

But lets talk about some other things that a Dom might control:


A very valid point, and thanks for the list of suggestions.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/9/2008 8:23:23 PM   
fluffyswitch


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for me, personally, my relationship with either my domme or the doms she chooses to let into my life influences most every aspect of my life. however, i also see there being a fundamental part of me that even if i choose to enter into a power exchange is my own and my own only. there are somethings that you just can't force me to change and one of them is being told what to do in situations like voting. personally i've worked too hard to get to where i am to just hand it over to someone like that. however does that mean that i wouldn't talk to them about it? no. but then i don't choose to submit to those who are radically different from me in the first place. shrug. however i also have problems with being in traditional slaving relationships, or even intense d/s relationships which skews my opinions as well. i can't wear a collar in a lot of places around where i go to school for example because like it or not it may loose my place in this program and i'm sorry but no one is worth that to me. relationships come and go but if i loose my career now i don't really have a chance to rebuild it.

*am putting on my fire gear and waiting for the flaming to begin lol*

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/9/2008 8:27:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KindLadyGrey

It's all about the initial negotiation. You probably aren't getting the responses you want here because you didn't properly decontextualize your question from the voting thread, and everyone is still talking about voting.

But lets talk about some other things that a Dom might control:

- What type of vehicle you purchase when you purchase a new vehicle
- Where you work, what kind of job you have, or whether you must quit your current job
- What you wear, and/or what hygiene/beauty products you use
- What kind of music you listen to
- Who your friends are, and how often you may hang out with them, and in what contexts
- Your diet
- Your finances
- Your right to personal privacy, or lack thereof ("Tomorrow, when they come visit, you will tell your entire family that you are my slave.")
- Your hobbies ("Guess what, you're a painter now. Here are your brushes! Now put down that soldering iron and throw all that electronics crap away.")
- Your politics. . .already mentioned at length
- Your community/volunteer involvement ("While I am at work during they day, you will volunteer at the Senior center down the street.")
- Your daily habits (how much computer/internet time you get, how long you are allowed to be in the shower, when you eat meals, what you can watch on TV, how much time on the X-box, etc)
- What your college major is, or whether you do or do not go to school at all
- What your skillset is ("I'm sending you to get certified as a massage therapist" or even "Your grammar is atrocious. I'm getting you a writing tutor and I expect you to improve.")

I'm sure I could think of more if I tried, but this is a good starting list of non BDSM things that a Dom could ask to assume control of in your life, especially if you identify as a slave. How do people feel about most of these things?


honestly most of these would be enough for me to reject the contract and walk away. relationships end. people change. but if i give up my chance to be educated in something i'm actually interested in and something happens down the road i'm sol. i'm also not sure that i would want to submit like that to someone who isn't interested in supporting my own interests anyway, since i think people are happier with some degree of freedom or at least the possibility of some degree of freedom.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/9/2008 9:11:28 PM   
Suzykeu


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quote:

ORIGINAL: KindLadyGrey
- What type of vehicle you purchase when you purchase a new vehicle
- Where you work, what kind of job you have, or whether you must quit your current job
- What you wear, and/or what hygiene/beauty products you use
- What kind of music you listen to
- Who your friends are, and how often you may hang out with them, and in what contexts
- Your diet
- Your finances
- Your right to personal privacy, or lack thereof ("Tomorrow, when they come visit, you will tell your entire family that you are my slave.")
- Your hobbies ("Guess what, you're a painter now. Here are your brushes! Now put down that soldering iron and throw all that electronics crap away.")
- Your politics. . .already mentioned at length
- Your community/volunteer involvement ("While I am at work during they day, you will volunteer at the Senior center down the street.")
- Your daily habits (how much computer/internet time you get, how long you are allowed to be in the shower, when you eat meals, what you can watch on TV, how much time on the X-box, etc)
- What your college major is, or whether you do or do not go to school at all
- What your skillset is ("I'm sending you to get certified as a massage therapist" or even "Your grammar is atrocious. I'm getting you a writing tutor and I expect you to improve.")

Yeah, i'd do those things. i trust my Mistress to have good intentions and know what's best for me/us.

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/10/2008 7:38:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: xBullx

I am not a participative dominant; it is in fact my way or the highway in many instances... 


Excuse me...would this be U.S. 30, by any chance? Wondering...

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RE: I'm completely devoted, but... - 1/10/2008 8:31:04 AM   
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The right to vote is almost like a God given right. People fought hard to have this right. The kind of right allowing us to enjoy an alternative lifestyle. your passion, BDSM, won't stand for long in a totalitarian government whatever it can be (extreme left or right).  We are deviant like any sexual minority, never forget it. Ok I overreact perhaps but pffew :-), this si so important. 

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