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MrKing -> RE: A Master: Opinions on BDSM (4/1/2004 6:21:00 AM)
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ORIGINAL: feline
Yes i know, i'm stepping out of line here.
In my humble opinion i wish there were more out there like you. *smiles* instead of the weiners i keep getting in my mailbox.
This is how i have always heard "Old Guard" was trained (for lack of a better word) And personally i would like to "hear" more. Please don't get me wrong, this is not a come on. i am just inquisitive.
p.s. - blue sky usually means it's going to be a nice day, mmmm so i usually feel pretty good about it. [;)]
I wish there were a better term than "Old Guard." I was trained within a BDSM poly cult using the dynamics and relationships of an obscure martial art. As a result, I'm well-trained in many senses.
(I'm one of the few people I know who can do a flogging with hands alone. Eagle technique - never thouht I'd have a use for it.)
There are good points and bad points to the arrangement. It's a difficult one for the one being trained, as it's often not to the advantage of the senior for the junior to advance. I'd say that the poly aspect complicated this tremendously. But I also observe that learning occurs even when the Master thinks he's not teaching. :>
The most important things I learned there was not, in fact, mastery. That's essentially self-mastery, and I got the tools to do that, but ultimately I feel that's pretty much a job you must do alone.
No, what I learned was how to submit, why one should, what the rewards are, where the buttons are located, what subspace feels like, how to get there, how to USE it mindfully, and therefor, I have a very, very good idea of what to expect of a submissive or slave.
I'm not a natural dominant, and I'm not sure that a natural dominant would be an easy fit for such a relationship, althougugh eastern adventure literature is full of such Master/student relationships. Usually it involves the master beating the holy crap out of the student on a regular basis in such a way as to teach while bruising.
Seems like an awful lot of work to me. But both natural submission and natural dominance are traits that, if allowed to manifest unchecked, make for people that are difficult to live with. In other words, one needs to master one's submission and one's dominance if one is to be a good sub or slave or a good master/dominant/top.
Old guard is one way to do it, another is just plain trial and error. I've done a bit of both. And then there's various sorts of mentorship - I've not tried that, but it seems like a good middle path.
Finally, there are frameworks like Gor which come with a manual. This is a really good idea, but I mislike Gor for a number of reasons, the most pointed being that it's not based on a functional culture.
Personally, I MUCH prefer Horatio Hornblower. A practical, well-described working dynamic, and no lack of flogging!
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