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RE: Confused - 1/13/2008 2:00:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kalista07

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

Kali my sister, remember who you are: 

Kali (or Cali) is a Hindu Goddess who is the ferocious form of the Divine Mother, and who freed the gods from demonic forces.  While her earliest incarnation is a figure of annihilation, she is considered the Ultimate Reality and Source of Being.

When Kali says yes, she gives consent.  When Kali says no, consent ends.  Bottom line is, it's that simple.  And if someone is not listening, just show them the sword you carry in one hand, and the severed head you carry in another.

Cali





Cali,
Have i told You recently how much You rock!!?? Seriously, You do.....  i don't care if You have a Master, have no Master, have 62 Masters, You will always rock in my world....



That was definately a rockin' thing to say. And people say we don't care about each other on this board.

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RE: Confused - 1/13/2008 2:18:12 PM   
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Thanks girls.  I think you all rock too.  Obligatory wank material:  should we get a room now?

Cali

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RE: Confused - 1/13/2008 2:23:41 PM   
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A room prestocked with all our favorites!

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RE: Confused - 1/13/2008 2:28:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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have 62 Masters


Well I think that is excessive.  If she ever has 62 Masters I will demand that she share the wealth with the un-mastered!





I am very sure that Cali will share at least some of the 62 masters with her cm posse, right Cali?

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RE: Confused - 1/13/2008 2:54:36 PM   
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I am very sure that Cali will share at least some of the 62 masters with her cm posse, right Cali?


Oh absolutely.  I share.  Yes I do.  Especially with my girls.

Cali
(Hi, I'm Sheriff Cali, and this here's my passle of wommin... posse!  That's what I meant!  Yes, posse!)


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RE: Confused - 1/13/2008 3:02:45 PM   
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There are two basic forms of consent: implicit and explicit. Implicit consent is when you make your move and they just don't say no, informal, while explicit is just what it sounds like, formal and stated for the record.

Implicit consent, of course leave the door open for misinterpretation - "they say no when they mean yes" was conventional wisdom in the past, understandable if you reason that yeah, women like to have sex but no, they don't necessarily want to have your baby, or suffer any of the other consequences that women are at greater risk for. Things being what they were, this state of mixed feelings was often interpreted in light of strictly self serving motives my men.

Today, legally, by law, no means no, while fooling around is often handled informally, if you want to take it to the next level, to keep things on the up and up, some discusssion of limits should ensue, and a safeword chosen, which is a form of formal consent.

Things being what they are, what usually happens is that play escalates to the point that implicit consent is withdrawn: this may be verbal or expressed with body language, etc., and here is where the rubber meets the road, it is at this point the top is obligated to either desist or obtain explicit, formal consent for further action, utilizing his/her considerable charm or any other means short of coercion: coereced consent doesn't count, and failure to either obtain formal consent or coerce consent technically creates liability.

Again, a lot of people handle it informally, particularly in Vanilla relationships, but presuambley the people involved in BDSM are adult enough to state their limits explicitly without "ruining the romance", or whatever it is.

If the whole atmosphere thing is important to you then it largely becomes a matter of subtler verbal and visual cues, body language, eye contact, etc. Some rape victims claim to "choke up", i.e., they have difficulty verbalizing their objections, and so if you're playing with a new bottom and she isn't saying anything but appears totally terrified, it might be a good time to ask her if she's OK.

Technically, anyone under the influence of alchohol or narcotics may be deemed incapable of granting consent, even if consent is granted prior to intoxication, again, typically handled on an informal basis, for better or worse. Moreover, alchohol is known to interfere with the ability to read body language, and interpret visual and verbal/tonal cues, which is one reason alchohol is involved in so many incidents of violence, sexual or otherwise.

Naturally, the whole business is rife with grey areas, and by far the best approach is a reasonable amount of getting to know each other, so that both formal and informal aspects can be incorporated and defined to your mutual satisfaction, negotiation - which sounds pretty legalistic, but can be accomplished conversationally.

< Message edited by Amaros -- 1/13/2008 3:11:35 PM >

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RE: Confused - 1/13/2008 11:18:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Amaros

Today, legally, by law, no means no, while fooling around is often handled informally, if you want to take it to the next level, to keep things on the up and up, some discusssion of limits should ensue, and a safeword chosen, which is a form of formal consent.

Things being what they are, what usually happens is that play escalates to the point that implicit consent is withdrawn: this may be verbal or expressed with body language, etc., and here is where the rubber meets the road,


Thank You for Your response...i bolded what i did because it was, by far, the most important most relevant part that i need to continue to remind myself of.
Thanks,


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RE: Confused - 1/13/2008 11:36:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

Thanks girls.  I think you all rock too.  Obligatory wank material:  should we get a room now?

Cali


Yes, can I pick who gets in the chick orgy? Please? Pretty please? 

< Message edited by laurell3 -- 1/13/2008 11:54:49 PM >


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RE: Confused - 1/13/2008 11:49:20 PM   
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Chicks?????? Orgy????? I was going to bed, lol, but will go to bed now with smile.  I know, laurell, are you getting me a chick orgy cuz it became my birthday at midnight?  ( I know you didn't but feel free to invite me, it would be the best present EVA if some of you hawties were there, lol!!)  Nightie night till tomorrow!!!!! Not even going to look at your answer or I would probably be up all night, !

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RE: Confused - 1/13/2008 11:53:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kc692

Chicks?????? Orgy????? I was going to bed, lol, but will go to bed now with smile.  I know, laurell, are you getting me a chick orgy cuz it became my birthday at midnight?  ( I know you didn't but feel free to invite me, it would be the best present EVA if some of you hawties were there, lol!!)  Nightie night till tomorrow!!!!! Not even going to look at your answer or I would probably be up all night, !


Happy Birthday KC!  Come here, let me give ya a big kiss!  Ladies it's orgy time for KC's bday, who's in?

< Message edited by laurell3 -- 1/13/2008 11:55:14 PM >


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RE: Confused - 1/14/2008 8:25:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: laurell3

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ORIGINAL: kc692

Chicks?????? Orgy????? I was going to bed, lol, but will go to bed now with smile.  I know, laurell, are you getting me a chick orgy cuz it became my birthday at midnight?  ( I know you didn't but feel free to invite me, it would be the best present EVA if some of you hawties were there, lol!!)  Nightie night till tomorrow!!!!! Not even going to look at your answer or I would probably be up all night, !


Happy Birthday KC!  Come here, let me give ya a big kiss!  Ladies it's orgy time for KC's bday, who's in?


YUM YUM YUM>>>>>>>>>>I'm a smiling Lady now!!!!!!(Thinks of all the hawties on the site!!!!)

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This is only MY opinion. If it's not yours, let's agree in advance to agree to disagree, OR, you can just get the fuck over what I had to say:)

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RE: Confused - 1/14/2008 8:34:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tinoketsheli

For me I met my Dom in person several times before we began playing. And consent was given during that trust building time.


Yup here too!

Maybe i'm a bit too cautious but i tend to spend at least a couple of months getting to know the person i am going to get "involved" with.  Durring that time likes, dislikes, limits and everything else under the sun is typically discussed and to me that is the normal.  Consent comes within time if a Dominant doesn't get that then He's not the Dom for me.....

~meticulous~

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