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What Is A Master - 7/9/2004 9:09:29 PM

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I have seen all walks of life in this LifeStyle we choose to live but the question remain's, What is a Master?
I can only speak on behalf of myself in this artlice and what I do as a Master and what I think others Masters should be like. Keep in mind that I''m far from new to the lifestyle and your openions may not be the same as mine. I do not speak on behalf of the Gorean LifeStyle
1) A Master is Kind, Loving and above A/all Understanding to his submissive/slaves needs and thought's

2) A Master will take his time to teach his submissive/slave the ways and means of what makes him happy without lashing out in anger because he thought she was some kind of mind reader and should have know what she did made her Master angry.

3) A Master should never think about punishment towards his submissive/slave. Instead his thought's should be focused on being served well and pleasing his submissive/slave as she pleases him.

4) A Master is the protector of his submissive/slave. He will insure her that no harm will ever come to her and he will remain strong at A/all times.

5) A Master will only punish his submissive/slaves if she has disrespected him or has angered him after being told what not to do.

6) A Master will have an open line of communication between himself and his submissive/slave. Communication is the key to A/all relationships.

7) A Master will remain Loyal to his submissive as she would he.

8) A Master should never break the bond of trust between him and his submissive/slave. Once this trust is broken it will never be rebuilt.

9) A Master is given respect for the respect he has shown towards others

10) Above A/all, A Master will cherish every moment with his submissive/slave as if it was the last moment on earth
Until Next Time - Be Safe & Play Hard
Malice
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RE: What Is A Master - 7/9/2004 9:25:52 PM

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I'm not replying to answer any question...I couldn't do that anyways. Just to make a simple comment. That is probably the best description of a Master I have ever heard. Some I have talked to doesn't seem to have read that same descrpition...lol.

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RE: What Is A Master - 7/14/2004 3:57:02 PM

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This is a very good idea of what a Master should be.. and i enjoyed your web page very much.. its some times too bad that Masters/Doms take what they want from a page without presenting the rest of the info.. EI: 128rules of slavery My Master gave me those rules to live by, but dont teach by example very well.. I think I will find some way of sending him the link to that page without looking like a bratty slave
thanks again for spending the time to help others find themselves
hvnly

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RE: What Is A Master - 7/15/2004 3:52:52 AM

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I think a good owner is like a good bra.

Supportive, worth the expense, helps you look and feel good about yourself and you may have to try on a few before you find the one that fits you perfectly.

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RE: What Is A Master - 7/15/2004 7:38:12 AM

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Master (as the term relates to a slave) simply means owner, and can't really be defined in normative terms as you have done here, Malice. It can't because just about any description that you are likely to make won't fit the needs and desires of someone. Lets look at some of the things that you have said and see how this could be so:

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A Master is Kind, Loving and above A/all Understanding to his submissive/slaves needs and thought's

Some slaves are absolutely, positively not looking for this. They're looking for a hard, gruff, demanding somebitch kind of owner who will use them hard and well, keep them under strict discipline, and if he does care for them, would never show it overtly.

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A Master will take his time to teach his submissive/slave the ways and means of what makes him happy without lashing out in anger because he thought she was some kind of mind reader and should have know what she did made her Master angry.

Again, there are many slaves that seek the kind of master that isn't going to spend large amounts of time teaching them squat. He wants what he wants, when he wants it, and they'd better learn quickly. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, just that, even if you look through the profiles on this site, you will find slaves that want this kind of man.

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A Master should never think about punishment towards his submissive/slave. Instead his thought's should be focused on being served well and pleasing his submissive/slave as she pleases him.

Many who identify as slave fully well expect to be punished if they displease, for any reason, no matter how trivial it might seem. All that really matters was that their master was less than pleased. My experience has also been that many who identify as slaves would be troubled if they even got a hint that their master was trying to please them.

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A Master will only punish his submissive/slaves if she has disrespected him or has angered him after being told what not to do.

Many slaves expect that they will be punished for whatever reason that their master sees fit to punish them.

I won't continue looking at every point, but you get the idea. What you have put forward here are very romantic notions of what a master/sllave relationship ought to be. They will have a broad appeal to many who read them. The only issue with what you have written here is that the language that you have used implies that to qualify as a "Master" you must adhere to these tennants. While this may be true in your community or group, it's not so in general. A master keeps a slave. That is about where the essential definition begins and ends.

Take care of yourself.

Leonidas

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RE: What Is A Master - 7/16/2004 5:41:40 AM

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Hmmmm.. well I see my views are dissected here as I would some religion.
If your tearing my words apart to make it look as if you don't care about your bottom you just proved it.

I post my views for who I am and How I feel things should be. Yes I know you can't live in a perfect world and I'm not asking for that but if any Top here on Collarme claims they dont Love, Care and Cherish their Bottom then they are full of shit.

Have a wonderful day
Malice

P.S I had to rush this reply because I'm a little late today. I will be back to post what I really want to say.

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RE: What Is A Master - 7/16/2004 6:50:04 AM

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Many slaves expect that they will be punished for whatever reason that their master sees fit to punish them.

My first submissive wanted to be punished hard (beaten, butt-raped, etc) by me when she caused trouble. It was a poor impedence match because I come from the school that punishment should be something the person doesnt want to have happen. Additionally, I am also from the school of training which says to ignore any behavior I dont want repeated, and reward behaviors I do want repeated.

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RE: What Is A Master - 7/16/2004 6:53:57 AM

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Hmmmm.. well I see my views are dissected here as I would some religion.
If your tearing my words apart to make it look as if you don't care about your bottom you just proved it.

I post my views for who I am and How I feel things should be. Yes I know you can't live in a perfect world and I'm not asking for that but if any Top here on Collarme claims they dont Love, Care and Cherish their Bottom then they are full of shit.

MasterMalice,

I found your definitions of a Master to be quite wonderful and well-considered. I believe his comments were based more on the fact that some people do not seek a Master with the qualities you presented, as opposed to trying to tear down / dissect your post. I believe this is a message board where people freely exchange diverse opinions for the learning of all.

I have my own way of doing things which generally fit some of the points you make, and if she doesnt want those, I am sure she will eventually find somebody who will give her what she wants.

Enjoy your day,

Sinergy

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RE: What Is A Master - 7/16/2004 7:36:36 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterMalice

I post my views for who I am and How I feel things should be. Yes I know you can't live in a perfect world and I'm not asking for that but if any Top here on Collarme claims they dont Love, Care and Cherish their Bottom then they are full of shit.

Wow.

Okay. I will agree that there may not be many Tops on collarme that will say that they do not "Love, Care and Cherish their Bottom ". There are quite a few out there though. Does this make them less Masterly? Nope. Are they full of shit? Nope.

I have played with women who are understanding that I am going to use them, hurt them, make them cry, and then...go home. Some bottoms actually enjoy this. Is this how I work within my relationship with my slave? Not usually.

Is being a cold, heartless, ruthless bastard a bad thing? Not if thats what you're looking for.

I understand that your description of what a master should be is your opinion. I can agree with parts of it. But just like that 9 levels of submission crap...it just seems like another method of saying that someone "should" be a certain way.

Anyway...I'm still cranky from the quitting smoking thing...

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RE: What Is A Master - 7/16/2004 8:02:33 AM

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Hi Sinergy,

I don't disagree with anyting that you have said here at all. There is a difference between a slave expecting punishment, and expecting you to perform any particular act or behave in a certain way. The former is just an acceptance that they are under discipline as you see fit to discipline them. The later verges on attempting to master you from their knees. I think that you'll find that 4 out of 5 slaves surveyed would count "being ignored" right up there with a good 'ol fashioned butt raping on the punishment-o-meter. Punishment is just negative reinforcement for an uinwanted behavior. What form it takes, as you said, is up to you to decide, based on your impression of what will work. I think what you are pointing out here is that keeping a slave under discipline is very different from the "spank me daddy" bratting/"punishment"/bratting cycle that goes on between folks whose D/s relationship is more play focused. I couldn't agree more.

Take care of yourself

Leonidas

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RE: What Is A Master - 7/16/2004 8:36:59 AM

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Ooooookayyyyyyy. Well then. While you say that what you posted was your opinion only, is sounds like you are pretty damn opinionated about who does and does not quality as a master. Nothing wrong with that. Eveyone is entitled to an opinion.

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If your tearing my words apart to make it look as if you don't care about your bottom you just proved it.

Maybe if you read what I wrote once more, you'll notice that I really didn't say anything about what I do, or what I want. I only pointed out that there are some folks out there whose needs and desires in terms of a master/slave relationship don't necessarily square with what you wrote, and that by starting each of your tennants about being masterly with "A Master......", you are using normative language, meaning that it looks like you are trying to define what a master must be. Your definition would exclude a lot of folks who might take umbrage to being excluded. From the tone of this post, I would surmise that that is actually what you are trying to do. Correct me if I'm wrong.

From years in the community, Malice, I can tell you that posts like the one that you just made will take on a life of their own sometimes. Those readers who don't have enough experience to know better will take what you wrote, interpret it as gospel, and attempt to beat someone over the head with it as evidence that they aren't, in fact, a master. Again, from your "don't care about your bottom" and "full of crap" tirade I can only assume that you too are one of those kinds of folks. All I can tell you is that most people of that ilk find after a time that it sucks to be them. Your mileage may vary.

Take care of yourself

Leonidas

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RE: What Is A Master - 7/16/2004 9:21:52 AM

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wow....... how interesting.

Master Malice, have to say that stormi did enjoy your site.
stormi does understand what you were trying to say in your second
post.

Please allow stormi to thank you as well for allowing her to
share some of the info on your site as well.

Have a great day and looking forward to chatting sometime.

Respectfully,
stormi
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RE: What Is A Master - 7/16/2004 10:26:16 AM

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quote:

I can only speak on behalf of myself in this artlice and what I do as a Master and what I think others Masters should be like.

I guess Sir, that is comment is the one that best examples of the confusion between terms :) As is shown with some of the replies that you have received. When people (as a group) do not always agree on what many would consider *simple* terms like *male* and *female*, it really isn't surprising that there are varying views on more complex things like master, slave, dominant, submissive, punishment, and most any other term under the umbrella of BDSM.

::Smiles:: I went to your website, and that's how I know *we* wouldn't agree on terms. Or perhaps it's more on the way you say them. After all, you said:

"A Master should never think about punishment towards his submissive/slave. Instead his thought's should be focused on being served well and pleasing his submissive/slave as she pleases him. "

What if her accepting the punishment of her body is what he finds pleasing? I personally HATE pain. Sure, there are slight pains (biting my nipples when I am already flying for example) that I find really arousing, but in general, I hate pain. Master has a sadistic streak, and where his own passion is general service and bondage, at times he just enjoys watching the way my body reacts to more painful things. Knowing how much I hate it makes it more enjoyable to him (and I have known many other sadists in the past that say the same thing). Realistically, he can come up with *minor* reasons to punish me, but why not just be real? He wants to do what he wants to do, and it's right under our relationship....

Is he wrong in choosing a slave who hates pain if it is something he enjoys? Am I wrong in accepting something I don't enjoy *just* to please? I know many woman who hate cleaning, yet do so to please. What difference is it if the thing we consider torture is a physical use of our body, or something that is just a drudgery?

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RE: What Is A Master - 7/16/2004 2:28:27 PM

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Hello again

Punishment and pleasure differ from one another. My slave loves pain and Yes I consider her to be a pain slut. Punishment to me is doing to her what she dislikes.. May it be take something away from her for a period of time before she's allowed to have it back. Thats just an example.

As for others who post hereI like nothing more to hear their point of view but when I feel nothing positve is being said and only negative comes out I ask myself why.

Yes we all have our own ways on dealing with our own slave/submissive and no two are alike. If that was the case then life would be boring.

As for myself I do own my own slave. she is 24/7 with me and still training. I see a post that about playing with someone who just wants to be used as a pain slut and let go after a session. I have done that myself. I know of alot of bottom's who thrive on Pain as Pleasure and just want a session. I find this not only pleasing to them but also to myself.

I hope this clears up a few things here. Not here to cause to many waves ,maybe just a few to keep people thinking and getting more to talk

Apologies to all who are offended by my words for this post.

Malice
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P.S sandy, I love your quote

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RE: What Is A Master - 7/16/2004 3:11:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: MasterMalice
Punishment and pleasure differ from one another. My slave loves pain and Yes I consider her to be a pain slut. Punishment to me is doing to her what she dislikes.. May it be take something away from her for a period of time before she's allowed to have it back. Thats just an example.

I agree fully with this comment Sir, my comments were more for those who do not like pain. Should the dominant fore go their own pleasure of inflicting pain because the slave isn't a pain slut?

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As for others who post hereI like nothing more to hear their point of view but when I feel nothing positve is being said and only negative comes out I ask myself why.

Honestly Sir, I haven't read the other responses to you as being negative, more the same old semantics battle that occurs when someone states things being *this* way. I have seen many people hurt because they thought that there was only *one* way to do things, and that way wasn't what worked for them.

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P.S sandy, I love your quote

Thank you Sir.. ::winks:: and it's Sandy. Proper capitalization has always been a pet peeve of mine....

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RE: What Is A Master - 7/19/2004 11:44:17 AM

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I don't understand all the talk about being loving, kind and understanding. Sounds like someone is trying to get laid at a bar versus training and true submission. I read about someone giving themselves as gifts. To me that's not submission. I agree that we are responsible for teaching and training but pleasing our submissive, I guess I am in the wrong mindset. I am a firm MASTER that trains, teaches and enforces my rules. I understand the pleasing aspect, but it sound like we're bringing flowers. My current sub is extremely happy serving MASTER J because we have developed a level of understanding. I guess I have a different perspective but I can respect other views.

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RE: What Is A Master - 7/19/2004 3:19:04 PM

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Hello Jay

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I don't understand all the talk about being loving, kind and understanding. Sounds like someone is trying to get laid at a bar versus training and true submission.

This message was posted on my webpage because someone once asked me if I cherish my slave, If I loved my slave. The person who asked me had an outlook on life That was wotrhless to me and others who knew him. He was a self proclaimed Master who Abused others. He had no love for himself to share with others.

I just thought it would be a good idea to post it here to see what others might think.

I find it funny at times for Tops not to share their real feeling's around others.

It's not a sign of weakness.

Laughing as I end this

Malice
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RE: What Is A Master - 8/7/2004 9:05:23 PM

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I have read a lot of postings and haven't yet made any comments until now. I have to say that is one of the best description I have read. I know everyone defines Master/Dom in there own fashion and form but I agree with Master Malice on these views. I've been in the life style for nearly 7 years and the things I've seen go from one spectrum to the other. I think a sub/slave comes to you wanting to share either a relationship or training from the Dom/Master and look to Dom/Master for their strength, guidance love and protection. Not strictly the harsh brutal punishment and play. The sub/slave might be attracted to the play but ultimately also wants to grow and serve their Master/Dom. So I believe its the duty of the Master to teach and help them grow to become the best person they can become as a person as well, as your slave. Also I think it is the responsibility of the Dom/Master to continue to grow as well, so their teaching and knowledge keeps on revolving. Don't get me wrong I'm very firm and won't let a sub/slave push me or try to run me over in anyway but to just be sadistic and forget they are a human doesn't quite still well with me, so again Master Malice I share your same point of views as you do and I really enjoyed reading your posting.

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RE: What Is A Master - 8/7/2004 9:21:42 PM

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MasterJayMack, what the hell are you a master of exactly?

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RE: What Is A Master - 8/8/2004 10:17:21 AM

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Sounds like someone is trying to get laid at a bar versus training and true submission

I really need to find out what true submission is... can't seem to get that firm, agreed upon answer as yet... as to everyone, its a different thing. submission exists in many forms... as does Dominance... truth is in the eye of the beholder... like beauty... its an individual thing...

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