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LadyLegs -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/20/2008 8:31:25 AM)
It seems to me that when you see what a person despises, you learn what they hate/fear the most within themself. Thus it would seem. what the writers of this hate mail want to "die" or "go away" is something that they do not wish to acknowledge in themselves.

iwearpanties -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/20/2008 9:09:34 AM)
Lady legs great point

LadyClaudiaVan -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/20/2008 2:04:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsCfromMelbourne quote: ORIGINAL: LadyClaudiaVan do sissies ever get jealous of REAL women? I personally would wager to say yes. I personally wager that you are one of the people who hates sissies. You make no secret of it in other threads What intrigues me is why. What sample size of the "evil, selfish, self hating" sissies do you base your prejudice on? One who was nasty to you? 2? 3? None, but you know you would hate one if you met one? Are your opinions based on nothing more than email? Why are you so threatened by this kink? Why don't you just ignore it? As a little girl, did your parents and church in Maryland teach you to hate homosexuals, especially effeminate ones, and your open intolerance is their ugly legacy? I have known about 6 sissies really well in real life and cannot say that any of them were anything like the sissies in Maryland that you post about. But perhaps sissies are nice to me because I accept everyone's right to alternative (consensual) sexuality and look beyond anyone's fetish to work out if they are a good human being. Perhaps sissies are hostile to you because you are hostile to them first (assuming you have actually met any sissies) But to answer your question, I personally wager that a lot of women who are - ahem - less than attractive and secure, feel jealous of sissies. Not the other way around. Sissies tend to be straight and attracted to women. Imitation is a form of flattery. I have however met gay Drag Queens who felt threatened and were openly rude to me. I would say they (men trying to attract men by looking like sexy women) can be jealous of pretty biological women. But not all. But sissies jealous? Not in my experience. They love women and just want to be like them. Sissies in many ways parody/lampoon feminity by exaggerating it to the extreme. Why feel threatened by such comic gender bending? Its funny. Why not just say "its not my kink, but I respect the rights of other people to be sissies and - like the OP - love sissies and good luck to them. I hope they find happiness". I am sorry but if anyone of those ridiculous female impersonators think REAL women are jealous of their circus show appearance, you're out of your mind I say. They look like a freak show, I have to say.

Reigna -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/20/2008 2:04:48 PM)
For those wondering why transphobia exists, WHIPPING GIRL by Julie Serano is a good starting place. For those wondering why some people feel the need to declare and belabor their transphobia, the attitude of religious fundamentalists toward homosexuals is a good starting place.

LadyClaudiaVan -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/20/2008 2:17:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovetokissnylons quote: ORIGINAL: AllforFun In my opinion there is an explantation for this behavior. I think that mother nature tries to keep the male side of our species strong if possible. I think it is in our nature (males) to weed out the weak among us and admire the strong. Kind of like the classical scenario of the nerd being picked on until he makes a discovery that gives him the upper hand. I think thats why masculine gays dont bother men as much as feminine gays, they are seen as strong and taking what they want. Overall, Its just a primal urge to purify ourselves. This is a good discussion. I have my own opinion. I think that there are plenty of "straight" males that have had "dirty" thoughts about being with a crossdresser or transgendered partner. For evidence, look at all the "m4t" ads on personals sites like Craigslist. And, also in my opinion and experience, guys who have thoughts about being WITH a tg or cd have also in many (most ?) cases tried on female clothing at some point themselves, and are probably "ashamed" of that because that endangers their image that they themselves are straight -- they probably fear at least a little bit that they are NOT straight themselves. And this fear and shame that they aren't straight is translated into (I guess a psychologist would say is transferred to) loathing other guys who openly are effeminate or who wear feminine clothes. Just my opinion. Well, keep dreaming. Your stats are from a bunch of horny, lonely criags lists losers who live on the internet and have No limits to what they would plug. Those are the types looking for freak impersonators. And they are Not your average man with a life. Okay. For one. And no. 2. Everything about men who pretend to be real women is so dramatic, silly, artificial, and plain ridiculous. Everything about them is an act. They like to make up and define their reality, and turn it inside out and call it "real" They surround themselves and define themselves in artifice and glamour. Everything about them is fiction used to glorify the lie they live. They thrive off falseness, facades and superficiality. Everytime you talk to one of them you feel like your talking to a programmed, FAKE, superficial, virtual person.

LadyClaudiaVan -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/20/2008 2:19:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Reigna For those wondering why transphobia exists, WHIPPING GIRL by Julie Serano is a good starting place. For those wondering why some people feel the need to declare and belabor their transphobia, the attitude of religious fundamentalists toward homosexuals is a good starting place. <<yawn>> hopefully that which you criticize isn't something you yourself do. I have my opinion. And so what? Dont like it? Dont read.

Boondoggle -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/20/2008 3:13:53 PM)
At this point you're just trolling. Don't you have something better to do than trying to piss people off with your bigotry?

lovetokissnylons -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/20/2008 4:49:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyClaudiaVan quote: ORIGINAL: lovetokissnylons This is a good discussion. I have my own opinion. I think that there are plenty of "straight" males that have had "dirty" thoughts about being with a crossdresser or transgendered partner. For evidence, look at all the "m4t" ads on personals sites like Craigslist. And, also in my opinion and experience, guys who have thoughts about being WITH a tg or cd have also in many (most ?) cases tried on female clothing at some point themselves, and are probably "ashamed" of that because that endangers their image that they themselves are straight -- they probably fear at least a little bit that they are NOT straight themselves. And this fear and shame that they aren't straight is translated into (I guess a psychologist would say is transferred to) loathing other guys who openly are effeminate or who wear feminine clothes. Just my opinion. Well, keep dreaming. Your stats are from a bunch of horny, lonely criags lists losers who live on the internet and have No limits to what they would plug. Those are the types looking for freak impersonators. And they are Not your average man with a life........ Respectfully disagree, Lady. What is "your average man" if not a description of the summary characteristics that describe "a bunch of men" ? Maybe not YOUR average man, but .........

BootBlackBlast -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/20/2008 6:21:45 PM)
I'm on the same page at MisPandora as I'm finding happening more often lately. I don't have anything against sissy boys, I just don't have any use for them. I do have a group of FTM transguys in my stable of boys though. I'm not transphobic, although, I could stand some more education, I'm not homophobic or lesphobic or any of those things. Although, I must say I am much more comfortable surrounded by the gay male energy than lesbian energy if anyone understands that. Sissy boys are just not a kink I enjoy. Occasionally, i will do a scene or something with a friend or two who have something very specific in mind, but then that is something I do as a favor to them that will often return the favor for me some other time. As far as positions within my family and household, I just am not attracted to nor desire to have a sissy boy in my home. I have lots of tranny friends, CD, TV's, and the whole nine yards, but none of it turns me on. I do enjoy going out with them though.

SubmissiveAK -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/20/2008 7:51:17 PM)
I envy women, but thats more because Im TS than a sissy. I see women my age, see how beautiful, how natural, how freely they can be feminine... even just thier size (I am a big girl) and I get intensely jealous. Its even painful, because I know no matter how hard I try I wont ever achive what they take for granted. quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong quote: ORIGINAL: SubmissiveAK People dont understand TG, and they REALLY dont understand sissies, so they recoil from it. Chalk it up to fearing/hating something you dont understand. ... or maybe they do and just formed their own opinions. Attaching "phobia" to a word is simply just a slam. Phobia means an irrational"fear". What is it that there is to fear? Catching cooties? :) I wish there was a suffix one could add to a word that means "I just don't give a shit". I dont think most people who hate sissies do it from a purely rational POV. I think there is an element of fearing the unknown, which is what I was saying :P ~submissiveAK~

SubmissiveAK -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/20/2008 8:05:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyClaudiaVan Well, keep dreaming. Your stats are from a bunch of horny, lonely criags lists losers who live on the internet and have No limits to what they would plug. Those are the types looking for freak impersonators. And they are Not your average man with a life. Okay. For one. And no. 2. Everything about men who pretend to be real women is so dramatic, silly, artificial, and plain ridiculous. Everything about them is an act. They like to make up and define their reality, and turn it inside out and call it "real" They surround themselves and define themselves in artifice and glamour. Everything about them is fiction used to glorify the lie they live. They thrive off falseness, facades and superficiality. Everytime you talk to one of them you feel like your talking to a programmed, FAKE, superficial, virtual person. Madame, Yes, lots of guys are horny and just want a fuck. Thats normal of guys looking for girls as well as T-girls. Still there are many men I have met who want a T-girl just for the sake of liking T-girls. Granted some might be masking thier homosexual curiousity, but not all of them are. Some can be very loving and kind, and others can be assholes. Like anyone. I take exception with "pretending to be real women". Speaking for the Transgender community, its more like we have spent our life forced to pretend to be male. I dont expect you to understand this though, few people do. For some its not falseness, but being true for the first time. I am not harshing on you for your views. I believe everyone has a right to thier ideas even if I dont agree with them. Still if you would like to try and understand things from another viewpoint you may learn something, as I find I do. If you ever wish to talk about things, maybe try to understand how people like us really feel, please feel free to send me a message. I promise you I am as honest and earnest a person as you have ever met. --_^ ~submissiveAK~

SubmissiveAK -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/20/2008 8:11:57 PM)
I think this might be worth reading, for all curious. Maybe moreso for those who arent admirers [&:] The T-girl admirers handbook: http://www.reneereyes.com/Webdocs/mtintro.html

DominaJayde -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/20/2008 10:32:05 PM)
Goodness, I go away for a few days and return to see the very instances of hate and homophobia my boys were speaking of, in full flight in the some of the comments, this saddens me immensely that such intolerance exists in a lifestyle that by its very nature is often exposed to such expression of hate and fear. 'My kink is not your kink but I respect your right to practice and enjoy it, afford me the same courtesy'

petdave -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/20/2008 11:42:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong ... or maybe they do and just formed their own opinions. Attaching "phobia" to a word is simply just a slam. Phobia means an irrational"fear". What is it that there is to fear? Catching cooties? :) I wish there was a suffix one could add to a word that means "I just don't give a shit". While i agree wholeheartedly that -phobia is often used as a verbal club by PC thugs, and is usually used inappropriately to boot, i disagree that "not giving a shit" is appropriate here. i don't give a shit about sports; you will never see me post in a thread about football, baseball, etc. You, on the other hand, have rather a lot to say about sissies. Hostility, i think, would be the term, paired with some sort of pathological need to continue expressing said hostility in the absence of any injury. Of course, this is hardly unusual... just needs a good word. Anybody got the email address for the American Journal of Psychology? Or maybe the guy that used to do "Sniglets"?

petpete -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/21/2008 2:39:23 AM)
Dear DJ.. That is utterly disgusting from any human being little alone from people who practice the lifestyle itself!!! These people are ignorant and have there own personal fears more then anything else to worry about. How dare they say such things in this day and age, and most importantly what in the world are they doing in a site that belongs to people as such and is supposed to be discriminating free if anything but that!!!

johnkenoly -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/21/2008 2:41:36 AM)
hi

diaperedbaby -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/21/2008 7:15:50 AM)
It is amazing how some think sometimes. I am really getting the impression that one of us "girls" stole here "normal guy" at some point. Not too many other reasons one would passion that type of hatred.

LadyClaudiaVan -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/21/2008 8:21:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: diaperedbaby It is amazing how some think sometimes. I am really getting the impression that one of us "girls" stole here "normal guy" at some point. Not too many other reasons one would passion that type of hatred. Well, don't flatter yourself. I have to say any "man" into circus show sissies isn't a man. You can have all of those types till your pinky frilly panties cant take anymore. I'll keep the real men and REAL woman.

camille65 -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/21/2008 8:24:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyClaudiaVan quote: ORIGINAL: diaperedbaby It is amazing how some think sometimes. I am really getting the impression that one of us "girls" stole here "normal guy" at some point. Not too many other reasons one would passion that type of hatred. Well, don't flatter yourself. I have to say any "man" into circus show sissies isn't a man. You can have all of those types till your pinky frilly panties cant take anymore. I'll keep the real men and REAL woman. Hey it's cool that you have your own definition of a real man.I hope that you realise though, that your own personal definition is not everyones definition. I'm not sure why you find it necessary to keep repeating your repugnance towards those that identify as sissies.

LadyClaudiaVan -> RE: attitudes in general towards sissyboys (1/21/2008 8:26:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SubmissiveAK quote: ORIGINAL: LadyClaudiaVan Well, keep dreaming. Your stats are from a bunch of horny, lonely criags lists losers who live on the internet and have No limits to what they would plug. Those are the types looking for freak impersonators. And they are Not your average man with a life. Okay. For one. And no. 2. Everything about men who pretend to be real women is so dramatic, silly, artificial, and plain ridiculous. Everything about them is an act. They like to make up and define their reality, and turn it inside out and call it "real" They surround themselves and define themselves in artifice and glamour. Everything about them is fiction used to glorify the lie they live. They thrive off falseness, facades and superficiality. Everytime you talk to one of them you feel like your talking to a programmed, FAKE, superficial, virtual person. Madame, Yes, lots of guys are horny and just want a fuck. Thats normal of guys looking for girls as well as T-girls. Still there are many men I have met who want a T-girl just for the sake of liking T-girls. Granted some might be masking thier homosexual curiousity, but not all of them are. Some can be very loving and kind, and others can be assholes. Like anyone. I take exception with "pretending to be real women". Speaking for the Transgender community, its more like we have spent our life forced to pretend to be male. I dont expect you to understand this though, few people do. For some its not falseness, but being true for the first time. I am not harshing on you for your views. I believe everyone has a right to thier ideas even if I dont agree with them. Still if you would like to try and understand things from another viewpoint you may learn something, as I find I do. If you ever wish to talk about things, maybe try to understand how people like us really feel, please feel free to send me a message. I promise you I am as honest and earnest a person as you have ever met. --_^ ~submissiveAK~ Now see I will say you're not what I was talking about. Most of these dramatic, silly, artificial, and plain ridiculous, FAKE, superficial, virtual female wannabees are wired in a very very strange fashion I have to say. So dramatic and just silly. But thats just may opinion I might add. Whats the big deal anyway. I mean I have a right to view people the way I want. I havent met the type you describe or the type you seem to be yet. So until I do, I go by the types I have met in the big cities. They are like these big giant freaks with even bigger egos. Blah.

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