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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 8/30/2005 7:59:26 PM

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Am i the only one who has been mentally correcting spelling as i read this thread?

Since i started reading (age 3 i believe) language has been very important in my life. My sister is an English major, so i get grief from her if i'm not fairly correct lol. So i have to say, yes, spelling and grammar are important to me as a whole. Typos are understandable - we all make them. But if someone messages me with "hiiiiii hw r u cn we chat u r hot" they're headed for my ignore list really quickly. Basically, i have to fall on the side of "make the effort - spell check isn't hard to use". And yes, i choose not to cap the "i" when i'm typing in a lifestyle forum. It actually takes conscious effort to cap it in a nilla context now, lol.

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 8/30/2005 8:13:18 PM

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Yes, I love it when people misspell "grammar" when they complain about grammar.

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Am i the only one who has been mentally correcting spelling as i read this thread?

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 8/30/2005 8:18:08 PM

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That said... everything we write, reveals something about us. When you write, you are entirely
naked - except for your words.

How do you want to be perceived? Smart... with a well hung vocabulary?
Or lazy... with a limp dictionairy?

Stef

Oh, *chuckle* that comparison is priceless! May I borrow it?

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 8/30/2005 8:32:51 PM

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I want to be miscieved as a loutish overbearing asshole who doesn't always spell well when passionate but can say just as many ill concieved and elitest asswipe cliches as the nxt gay!

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 8/30/2005 8:44:14 PM

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"i am a vary dominate female. Get on you're knee's u looser" etc. I refer to these as dummes.

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 8/30/2005 10:21:04 PM

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My sub (with his college degree, as it turned out) had a mistake-filled profile at the time he first approached me. But I liked his initial email, and so gave him my 300 word preliminary essay assignment anyway. (Can't take the English teacher out of the Domme. lol)

Not only was the essay insightful, the word count was right on the money, and the spelling and grammar were absolutely perfect. He obviously was motivated to expend a lot of time and energy in perfecting his composition. If only I had that same effect on all my students. lol

Of course that wasn't the piece that brought us to where we are now. But it certainly was the piece that persuaded me to give him the opportunity to take the next step.

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 8/30/2005 10:27:14 PM

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Evening,

As a few others have pointed out........it's pure laziness. Most people can understand one misspelled word, but when the spelling is repeatedly poor........it's laziness. Now.......if the person is going to be that lazy in a simple matter as spelling, how can they be depended upon to be more diligent in greater tasks?

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 8/31/2005 12:28:44 AM

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If you can't spell, can't write an intelligent sentance and can't speak your mother tongue intelligibly, then what would I want with you? Seriously....

Lily

Lily,

You speak intelligently in your posts. The one above contains great irony. I am not picking on you, but "sentance" is actually spelled "sentence." I mention this only to point out that everyone, self included, makes errors in our writing on occasion. You just picked a bad place to make one.

Bitch ~grins~

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 8/31/2005 5:46:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: Ojedieu

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ORIGINAL: Euryanx

That said... everything we write, reveals something about us. When you write, you are entirely
naked - except for your words.

How do you want to be perceived? Smart... with a well hung vocabulary?
Or lazy... with a limp dictionairy?

Stef

Oh, *chuckle* that comparison is priceless! May I borrow it?

Ojedieu, as they say, "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." It's all yours.

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 8/31/2005 6:07:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: ProtagonistLily
Bitch ~grins~

Lily, thank you for being a good sport.

In hindsight, i wished that i hadn't posted that. It was unfair of me to single out your post when there are
more misspellings in this thread than there are in a 7th grader's term paper.

No one is immune. I work as a copywriter and screw up daily. Thank God for proofreaders.

I think the main thing in any written communication is that you are able to convey your thoughts clearly.
The really interesting thing about writing - is that it's like a peek inside someone's head. I read a writer
like Tom Wolfe and I am just amazed by by his perceptions.

Stef

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 8/31/2005 6:35:34 PM

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I pride myself on my spelling and my composition. Although, I can get ahead of myself and have a few typos. If I am not sure about how a word is spelled, I look it up. I try to look over my writings before they go out, whether on here or anywhere. I have had to edited more than one time on the boards. It's just taking pride in what you are saying and giving that good first, second or whatever impression! I have a habit of typing kow instead of know; ahve instead of have and a few others. My mind goes a bit faster than my fingers so it get these. I believe I am just anal about my writing but it doesn't mean I don't make many, many mistakes. I just try to correct as many as I can.

Hmmm, anal...I suppose that could be taken two ways...

Respectfully,
sultry

who needs to find a new picture, as many have as of late!

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 9/1/2005 11:20:04 AM

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So, I guess the question is this; is poor spelling a good indicator of intelligence or lack of it? My personal opinion is that we have the option to spell check via Word first. Maybe its more a sign of laziness?

TearCollector

My Word is on the fritz and i am lazy as a dead cat, so i do my best to spell correctly and construct whole sentences. However, i do not feel that my mistakes detract from my worth or the value of my post...nor does the errors of A/anyone else.

This subject seems endlessly fascinating.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_146130/mpage_1/key_spelling/tm.htm#149430

Last time i had 8 threads on this subject; i guess this makes 9. And that does not count "asides" in threads on other subjects.

Here's my question: why the time and attention to spelling or grammar errors?

pinkpleasures

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 9/1/2005 11:28:20 AM

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HEY LIKE WHAT ABOT US GANGSTAS

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<Hands LROD a grey federo hat and a black trenchcoat for His new profession...giggles..the BDSM Mafia?>

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 9/1/2005 11:55:07 AM

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Pink

There have been some good posts here. But I cant answer why the other threads were started. I can only answer you about mine. As I read profiles, I found it curious that many people specifically mentioned poor spelling or gammar in their profile as something they didnt like getting from people messaging them. My oppinion on the matter exactly reflects yours and Im happy to see your post.

Im not going to spell check this post because I agree so much with what you just said, I have decided to just be me with "not perfect spelling". I will have to expect that there will be some that will not consider me "perfect or even good enough". I can live with that.

Thanks again Pink for your post. I probably wont post on this thread again. I think I have learned the answer I was seeking.

TearCollector

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So, I guess the question is this; is poor spelling a good indicator of intelligence or lack of it? My personal opinion is that we have the option to spell check via Word first. Maybe its more a sign of laziness?

TearCollector

My Word is on the fritz and i am lazy as a dead cat, so i do my best to spell correctly and construct whole sentences. However, i do not feel that my mistakes detract from my worth or the value of my post...nor does the errors of A/anyone else.

This subject seems endlessly fascinating.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_146130/mpage_1/key_spelling/tm.htm#149430

Last time i had 8 threads on this subject; i guess this makes 9. And that does not count "asides" in threads on other subjects.

Here's my question: why the time and attention to spelling or grammar errors?

pinkpleasures

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 9/1/2005 7:44:34 PM

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I believe I mention something about the ability to spell and form complete sentences in my profile. Yes, it is very important. If I am chatting with someone in instant messenger, their typos don't bother me at all. While I type approximately 70 words a minute, I recognize that many others type with two fingers.

When I read a profile, however, it becomes a very important matter. As nearly everyone here has said, your profile is your introduction and first impression to many. It doesn't really matter whether you identify dominant or submissive, you should want to make a good first impression. I don't count typos but rather look at the profile as a whole to begin forming my first opinion of that person. If the entire profile is filled with spelling errors and incomplete sentences, it tells us something. I don't buy into the idea that the person is just so "passionate" they can't help it. Not at least trying to spell most of it correctly is exactly as said so often here, a sign of laziness. If you can't take the time to make a good first impression, how can you expect anyone to want to take the time with you? The content is very important as well. I want a profile to tell me something about the person, not simply, "Master seeking slave. Accepting applications from those who think they qualify, be sure to include picture" , or better yet, "will update later". The reader learns something very important from profiles like that. A master with that profile is not likely to ever consider his slave's needs and is egotistical enough to believe that simply stating that he is looking will make every available (and probably believes a few unavailable) slave will flock to him begging acceptence.

Likewise, when I receive email, I don't want the "bend over slut and I will give your ass what it needs". After all, it is MY ass and I decide who gets to use it. If all i was looking for was someone to fill up that hole, my options are limitless. Like it or not, agree or not, someone approaching me needs to give me a reason that they should get my ass. The "bend over" type messages are like a huge red flag saying "LOSER". Unlike that many that simply hit delete and then block the sender, I can't resist responding to a lot of them. I wrote a profile for people to read, and if they can't be bothered to read it then they get what is coming to them. I even have a warning in my profile that if you are married, committed, etc. and you write to me thinking I would be interested, don't be surprised by the response. I write for a living and look at it as honing my poison pen skills to respond and THEN block. Ok, yes, I am easily amused at times.

What I find most interesting about this thread is that a lot of the people who I am sure are the subjects of the question because their other posts are so illegible have posted here and amazingly, the posts here are written so much better. Few enough spelling errors that you can even understand what they are saying as they defend why they do it. If they can take the time to do it for this post.....

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 9/3/2005 6:28:12 AM

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We are looking for various traits in individuals and couples and just perhaps, it is not so much the question of intelligence and its relationship to spelling and grammar, but moreso the desire for someone to be attentive, concerned (about the image they present oniine), industrious (not lazy), and others.

There is a balance here. There can be a lot of reasons for poor grammar and spelling. The real issue is when speaking with someone in person or on the phone, whether or not they can speak in sentences and clearly formulate ideas and opinions. If that is the case, then by all means move on to someone else, unless the relationship is to be TOTALLY physical.

I am at a loss, why anyone would make such a request that those who cannot spell and have poor grammar, not even bother contacting them? Let them contact you, and if the number of mistakes exceeds your threshold, mention it politely in your reply, if indeed the content and tone of the mesage merits a reply.

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 9/3/2005 5:27:50 PM

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Grammar is spelled G R A M M A R. *laughing laughing* The most interesting fellow I ever met had poor spelling skills and even worse grammar and syntax. Grammar and Spelling skills mean an individual has an aptitude for words and written communication. Nothing more. To those to whom written communication is essential, they may be important qualities. Give Me a man who is good in math and I'll show you a fellow who can count My orgasms accurately. I really don't care whether he can spell orgasm or not!

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 9/3/2005 8:42:52 PM

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NOW THERES A WOMEN AFTER MY OWN HART

AS LONG AS I CAN COUNT TO A HUDNRED I DONT THNIK I'LL HAVE TRUBBLE COUNTING HER ORGASAMS

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 9/4/2005 12:44:15 AM

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First off, the word is spelled "Grammar".

Sorry, I couldn't resist...

My feeling is that, when I write to someone, I am putting myself out there and want to be perceived as closely to my real self as possible. That said, I've learned how to use spell checkers (when available...) and read and reread my post a bunch of times before hitting the "OK" button. And still I make mistakes. But I put in the effort. Maybe the mistakes are just the real part of who I am? Don't answer that...

But my problem with all this is that seldom do others put out an equal effort or care what others think. That's OK, I guess; "if you don't like my spelling, then fuck you" is an acceptable attitude. So is, "I want you to understand what I'm saying to you and there are no other clues but the type on the screen". Nonverbal communication just isn't any fun when you're typing...

I've hung out with some extremely bright folk who can't spell - sub-atomic nuclear physicists are notorious for bad spelling - but who know how to hit the F7 key in MS Word.

Poor Grammar and Spelling to me means lazy. Or that you don't care what I think. So, if you don't care what I think, then don't get upset if I think you're not very bright.

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RE: Poor Grammer and Spelling means what? - 9/4/2005 7:49:11 AM

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So, I guess the question is this; is poor spelling a good indicator of intelligence or lack of it? My personal opinion is that we have the option to spell check via Word first. Maybe its more a sign of laziness?

I don't view it as a sign of stupidity; there's no credible proof that even illiterate people are any less intelligent than highly literate ones. What strikes me when I read a note/profile/whatever that's full of spelling and grammatical errors is that the author didn't take any time to slow down and examine their own work before hitting "save". What it indicates to me is that the author doesn't care enough about what their writing to do it well. I get a similar feeling when I see something with a lot of contractions and short-hand, i.e. "i luv bdsm. do u?" This might make sense for SMS messaging or even online instant messaging, but when you can use proper English, it's a courtesy to do so. I think it shows that you care about whether or not what you've written is enjoyable to read. As for the question of whether you're stupid if you don't spell well or your grammar is poor, I think that most people who write that way are usually in too much of a rush or don't care enough about the organization of their thoughts to do any different. This doesn't mean they're stupid, but if they don't take the time to organize their thoughts and practice being clear and understandable then, yeah, I think it does dull the intelligence.

On a similar note, I get turned off by people who write me notes via CM which are only a few words long, i.e. "hi what's up?". It makes me think "I'm not worth the effort it would require to introduce yourself or tell me why you're writing?" Like the spelling and grammar thing, it seems to communicate a lack of effort and is even a bit of a put-down (i.e. your first impression with me matters so much that you can't spare more than 15 seconds to write this up?). One thing this communicates to me loud and clear, by the way, is that the author is probably lazy in bed as well... and that's not much of a selling point.

Incidentally, I was very self-conscious when writing this post because I didn't want this to be the time I missed a hundred spelling errors. :)

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