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RE: SHOCKING! Death by Nipple Clip! - 1/29/2008 1:12:04 PM   
kiyari


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Fast Reply, and so reply to no one in Particular:

Very small current IF IT TRAVERSES THE HEART is a killing amount.

Does not matter the Implements.

This couple (one lately passed) were purely ignorant.

Sad, that the one remaining is going to be treated as some sort of criminal, rather than educated.

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RE: SHOCKING! Death by Nipple Clip! - 1/29/2008 4:32:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Maybe she never got a chance to use her safe-word. Maybe her Master didn't allow her to have one. However it would have had to have been non verbal because her mouth was sealed with electrical (Irony Alert!) tape.

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JANUARY 25--A kinky sex escapade ended this week with the electrocution death of a Pennsylvania woman and the arrest of her husband for manslaughter. According to cops, Toby Taylor, 37, first claimed that his wife Kirsten was shocked by her hair dryer. But he then admitted that the couple was "into weird sexual behaviors," according to a probable cause affidavit. Taylor then explained that he hooks clips to his wife's nipples and "plugs the cord into a electric strip" and shocks her.

Source: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0125081dryer1.html 




There was also a local death in the Philly area not scene related but very similar.  A 20-something guy died of electrocution.  How?  He and his coworkers were sitting around, apparently bored, and hooked his nipple piercings to some industrial battery.  The current across the heart triggered a lethal arrhythmia and he went into cardiac arrest.  Attempts to resuscitate him failed.

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RE: SHOCKING! Death by Nipple Clip! - 1/29/2008 5:04:52 PM   
MisPandora


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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: AbsitInvidia

I can't believe he's ever done that before, since the nipples generally provide a path directly through or near the heart, and a powerstrip would so oversupply the current as to pretty much nail closed the coffin.


Not really. It's not something I'd do, but the way the M.D. explained it to me, the current is so high that it stops the heart for a while, but needn't always induce arrythmia or fibrillation. Actually, at a party, when someone went into cardiac arrest, a crafty cardiologist, who was at the same party, successfully improvised a defibrillator with a lamp cord with a switch on it. Granted, there's a fucking huge difference between a trained cardiologist performing a last-ditch effort at preserving the life of someone that has gone into fibrillation already, and some clueless twat that tries to use it as a form of sexual play. Also, additionally covering her mouth with tape tells me he probably does not have the requisite intelligence to live among the general public.

Again, if you know exactly how to do electroplay in that area, or have a unit that is designed for it (medical grade current limiting, etc.), it's entirely possible to do similar things in a manner that some might deem an acceptable risk. But I would advice anyone who insists on trying it to acquire a cardiac compression unit (a thing you strap around the chest which will compress the entire cavity without breaking the ribs, but hard enough to ensure sufficient circulation; it requires very little training to use, and is superior to a defibrillator for most uses- the air ambulance doctors use it around here) and a manual ventilator.

Either way, though, there doesn't seem to be anything RACK about what he did, let alone SSC.

As for her; nominee for the Darwin Awards?

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The current DOES stop the normal cardiac cycle.  Either it induces the fibrillatory response by striking at the very vulnerable moment where the heart is not yet prepared for another electric impulse from it's own pacemaker cells (known as R on T phenomenon) or it depolarizes the heart's pacemaker cells and the conduction system rendering them incapable of functioning.  That is more often than not, permanent.  There are many other factors in the equation -- amperage is most important, voltage in certain circumstances (usually industrial), skin resistance, biphasic vs monophasic conduction, AC vs DC, etc.  The ventricular fibrillation threshold of the human heart is generally between 75 and 100mA (seen as low as 60 in certain physiologic states), The unfortunate situation is that with the contractility of the cardiac fibers -- they're all pacemaker cells AND muscle -- anything over 200mA usually wrenches the heart down in a spasm that does not ever release.   This is also the same contractions that causes the "can't-let-go" condition that locks the victim to the wire, appliance or device.  Excessive amounts of current (>1A) cause immediate ventricular arrest without any sign of fibrillatory response.  (Rare cases like that have been resuscitated where there was immediate loss of causative current AND no thermal destruction of the heart AND immediate advanced cardiac life support intervention.)

My specific references to VF threshold and high amp VA attributed to Dimaio, Vincent J., and Dominick J. Dimaio. Forensic Pathology. Boca Raton, FL: CRC P, 2001.

There is a gross difference in the purpose of an external compression machine (known as a Thumper) and an external defibrillator.  Thumper units are used in ambulances to free up the hands of the attendant (if you're manned with only a physician, he can't be pushing drugs and maintaining the airway if he's having to do 1:1 cardiac compressions.  Defibrillators are used to either create a synchronized cardiac conversion of a rhythm OR to halt the fibrillatory response of the myocardium in instances of a lethal arrhythmia such as those induced during electrocutions.  The Thumper unit DOES NOT replace the defibrillator and it is NOT a superior device or a replacement for an invasive device such as an defibrillator.   (And I am a certified healthcare professional who has used external and internal defibrillators in the field, the ER, the trauma OR and the cardiac elecrophysiology lab.)

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RE: SHOCKING! Death by Nipple Clip! - 1/29/2008 8:09:52 PM   
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This makes me sick to my stomach. I don't care if it was an accident or not. It's just wrong in so many ways.

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RE: SHOCKING! Death by Nipple Clip! - 1/29/2008 8:17:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

2 words -
 
Darwin Awards!                                    
Awww, you beat me to it! Well, at least you did'nt electricute me to it.

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RE: SHOCKING! Death by Nipple Clip! - 2/1/2008 3:28:31 AM   
Sdarcy


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These might not have the fancy boxes the Extreme Restraints do, but I had to buy one for pain relief on myself and it's pretty damned strong! (Of course, I'll always love my Folsom unit the best - plus, with the Folsom or so I've been told if you attach a separate nipple clamp to each outlet the current runs through the box instead of across the heart because they're separate circuits). Still, take a look here:  http://www.cheaprelief.com/shop/CHPstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=Tens

I am editing this to add that as a prodomme I've done a LOT of electrical play - none of it above the waist. I posted the above link simply to show that you don't have to pay over $300 for a decent TENS unit - and with all the electrode adaptors available there's all sorts of things to do! I still like my Folsom box better, though.......

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112
Actually, Extreme Restraints sells a fairly respectable device for around $250.  No Rx required.


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RE: SHOCKING! Death by Nipple Clip! - 2/1/2008 11:27:40 PM   
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I saw this sad news a few days ago. How sad for both of them. But it does go to show that electricity is not something to experiment with. I'm not into electrical stuff but if I was i would hope it would not be some homemade thing I threw together. I'm sorry that he lost his wife and now he is in a place where he cannot have friends to help him through it. A tragedy any way you look at it.

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RE: SHOCKING! Death by Nipple Clip! - 2/1/2008 11:41:38 PM   
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That seems an unnecesarily cruel statement.

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RE: SHOCKING! Death by Nipple Clip! - 2/2/2008 3:28:35 AM   
painlovingsub


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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

OK, and people wonder why we get looked at strangely?  Its stupid ideas like that that make it so hard for the rest of us that believe in **SAFE**, sane and consenual look bad.

DV



The idea itself wasn't stupid--but the implementation was.  With proper TENS unit, electrical play can be done with fairly low risk of death.

Doing your dungeon in the spirit of Tim the Tool Man Allen is just not a good idea.



Sorry, i was quite in shock on the whole situation until i read that comment. i know you perhaps did not mean that to be funny (considering the topic) but i couldn't help but laugh... That was just to funny! lol

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RE: SHOCKING! Death by Nipple Clip! - 2/2/2008 6:09:58 AM   
Lashra


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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: Hotch

Another canidate for the Darwin awards and more proof that you can't cure stupid.


Actually, proof to the contrary.
He cured a woman of terminal stupidity.
One out of two isn't really half bad, now, is it?

Health,
al-Aswad.


Yeah and hopefully while he is in prison some big burly guy named Bubba will cure this "Dumb...errr Dom" of his case of stupidity or at least help him get rid of his 'roids.

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RE: SHOCKING! Death by Nipple Clip! - 2/2/2008 7:58:56 AM   
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my first thought was wow!!! while watching the news in sub pose from  my home in Western Pa, my mouth just dropped..so sad.

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RE: SHOCKING! Death by Nipple Clip! - 3/12/2008 6:34:35 AM   
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He was doing it wrong.

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