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Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 1/29/2008 8:37:15 PM   
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Started taking 50mg of Zoloft last January. The three years prior had been just rotten, and with a separation/divorce going on, plus changing jobs, I was really depressed.

A year later I am in a nice new place with a great roommate, happily divorced, love my job and have a great Dom. I exercise, try to eat right and have started taking some good nutritional supplements - not just for my physical health, but in a deliberate bid to feel better emotionally as well.

I hate the side effects of the Zoloft (insomnia and blunted personality), and so I am tapering off. 10 days ago I went down to 25 mg. I can deal with the nausea, fatigue, dizziness and muscle aches. Felt like a mild flu. I can handle that. That was last week. This week the physical symptoms have gotten better, and now for variety I get to experience the mental/emotional withdrawal symptoms.

IT SUCKS.

I made sure to inform my Dom of what was going on, and I am giving Him updates on my overall state of being. He's offered to talk if I need it, and I have discussed a few things with Him. However, He travels 4 to 5 days a week with His job, and is not always available.

It's 11:30. He's asleep. I should be asleep. Instead, I am trying to reassure myself that I have not lost my mind, and that all this will be over in a few weeks. Until then, I get to enjoy the lovely mood swings.

Anyone else done the Zoloft withdrawal thing? Just really needing someone to pat me on the head and tell em that there really is an end in sight.

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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 1/29/2008 10:17:43 PM   
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You have not lost your mind, this too shall pass.  Are you starting on something else as a replacement, or are you going to try it without the meds?  Just watch for slow slippage into depression... or have your roommate tell you if they see something.

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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 1/29/2008 10:35:41 PM   
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I hate the side effects of the Zoloft (insomnia and blunted personality), and so I am tapering off. 10 days ago I went down to 25 mg. I can deal with the nausea, fatigue, dizziness and muscle aches. Felt like a mild flu. I can handle that. That was last week. This week the physical symptoms have gotten better, and now for variety I get to experience the mental/emotional withdrawal symptoms.


It sounds like you may be titrating down too fast.  If you're experiencing extended withdrawal symptoms your body isn't getting time to adjust.

Consult your doctor.  You might need to increase the dosage a bit and taper down more gradually.


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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 1/30/2008 4:21:12 AM   
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Anyone else done the Zoloft withdrawal thing? Just really needing someone to pat me on the head and tell em that there really is an end in sight.


I have been there - after a hysterectomy, the period of adjustments with the hormones and BS - I had to go on antidepressents. Zoloft was one of the WORST - made me feel like my eyes with in slot machines. Lexapro was much better, for me, and easier to wean off of when it was time. Just wanted to lend a bit of moral support to tell you - yes, there is an end in sight.

You may want to try a natural homeopathic remedy - St. John's Wart or Sam-E, that can help depression, and are very easy to stop taking, and may get you through this rough patch. For me - the best thing to do was a hot bubble bath, cranking the stereo to my favorite tunes, and going for walks. Good luck!


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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 1/30/2008 10:14:27 AM   
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zoloft sucks beyond belief. please talk to your doctor and see if they can prescibe a different medication that you can start and taper off slowly..

you are not losing your mind but zoloft was the worst of any of the anti depression drugs I have been on in the last 20 years - it made me zombied but coming off them was the worst I have ever felt.

there is light at the end of the tunnel but do speak to your doctor about help getting there - it is worth it to be off zoloft but it is a hard fight.

sending you strength and hope.


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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 1/30/2008 10:24:06 AM   
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It can absolutely be awful, weaning off Zoloft. I did that a few months ago after about 5 years of use. I changed to Wellbutrin which so far seems to be great.The effects.. the feeling like you're literally losing your mind will pass. I was on 150mgs a day and spent 3 weeks tapering off, it is possible you're tapering to sharply. Hang on, hang tight. It should pass.

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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 1/30/2008 4:57:48 PM   
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Cali -

I am going off meds completely. I am ok now. My ex is not writing on the wall with blue crayon because he's hungry and wants me to buy groceries. Sounds bad, but how many of us are lucky enough to have ACTUAL writing ON the freaking wall? No sign that we interpret as "the writing on the wall", but a literal crayon message from above that screams "he's crazy, you should go now".

It's not depression that I'm slipping into - I'm turning into a 15 year old with raging PMS. EVERYTHING irritates me. I have to bite my tongue to keep from snapping at people. On Zoloft I was a placid little Buddhist, and now I'm feeling everything. In spades.

Needy, whiny, impulsive, procrastinating teenager. Where I used to sit through boring meetings with a sense of detachment, now I am just bored and restless. It's just so unusual to FEEL all of these things.


celtic -

Nah, not moving down too fast, it's just that Zoloft has such an extremely short half-life. From what I've read that is a big part of the problem.


Atlanta -

I'm on St. John's wort and Sam-E, although you did make me think about upping the amount I'm taking. I did increase both today and I feel better.


snow -

It helps to realize that other people have done it. I was so very, very tempted to go back to my regular dose yesterday, but the very fact that I felt that way encouraged me to hold out. Counting the days down, one at a time.

camille -

Thanks for the encouragement. It is good to know that this is a normal reaction. It helps tremendously to not worry that I've lost my mind.




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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 1/30/2008 6:59:19 PM   
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I'd like to say something to those who suffer from depression, or have. I used to. I came out of it, and have realized a few things.

Not all people suffering from depression are sick. Sp,e are just too aware of the state of the world to handle it. I was.

I don't care how good your home life is, you do have to go out, most have some sort of news source, and when you leaern of man's inhumanity to man, and how our tax dollars work to kill and exploit people all over the world almost, it doesn't feel good.

When you see the abhorrent yet shameless state that people have slipped down to, and see that they all think everything is fine, kids murdering each other for tennis shoes, stuff like that, it affects you.

The cure is to maintain control over how it affects you. The world is still going to end, but I now do not care,,,,, as much. You control where you focus your attention, nobody else, usually at least. You must learn to ignore, yet do it without becoming ignorant.

When I watched the twin towers go down I felt absolutely nothing. Does that mean I don't care ? No. But I got in the car and went to work. Why ? Because I have to concentrate on things I can change.

People died ? People die every day.

But the point is, if left uninsulated from feeling things like this, you will get over it on the surface. But you don't really get over it until you learn how to detach yourself from issues that you can do nothing about.

Some find this difficult, it took me a long time to learn. And I learn fast, very fast. However I did have some advantages. Earlier in life I lost alot of people and I think I can say truthfully that I know more dead people than alive. We're talking in my 20s and 30s. I used to say this shit is not supposed to happen now, it should be happening like twenty or thiry years from now. Some of my best friends. Gone. A couple of guys I used to jam with, who had a really good friend potential. My favorite cousin. It was too much.

But I never reached out for a shrink or a bottle of pills. I did some recreational drugs but it is way down now. I never quit anything but I just don't choose to do it because I do not want it. It is my philosophy, I do not ingest things that are made by a glorified chemical company. About a year ago at a party I was offered coke, turned it down flat. That surprised the shit out of everybody and as they did the coke I sat there and had a smoke and a beer and we had our discussion just as well.

It was almost funny as the sat there and did the shit, they were congradulating me on turning it down. "Dude, you are the Man", "What ?", "Having it right in front of your face for a free turnon and turning it down", "No problem, more for you, I just don't feel like it".

Now, what do you think I feel about everybody there ? At the time I am pretty sure everyone had a job. The one guy was making killer money and decided to turn his friends on. He wanted to party, well we had a nice little party, I just did not partake. I did not have to leave the room so I didn't see it or any bullshit like that. I like beer. I like it alot. The first thing I do after work is have a beer. I do not get drunk, I don't go off, I don't cause problems.

Why ? I have really acquired a taste for it, and I drink the low power stuff specifically so I don't get out of it. Reality is too fascinating for that. So that indicates to me (I did not say prove) that these anti-depressant drugs are actually taking you out of it. The reason it indicates that requires no cites or quotes. One statement of logic provides enough evidence for a reasonable assumption.

The thing is the fact that you are now taking the red pill or the blue pill does not change anything about the world around you. You are shaped by the world around you.

My Mother knew I got high and drank quite early, but she is not dumb, she knew by then that I was totally uncontrollable. And back then I did get out of it, high, drunk and who knows sometimes. Caused trouble. She had to throw me out.

This is something you learn over the years and to the OP, I say this is the best path. My Mother used to say to me that no matter how high or drunk I get, the same problems will be staring me in the face in the morning (as it turns out many of them were spotted in the mirror in the bathroom) It took time.

Tell you one thing that irks me, not that I have any anger about it, but I consider it slightly above an annoyance. Since I realized that it is I myself who converts annoyances and frustration into anger, I learned that I no longer have to control my anger. I simply do not have it. That was hard to learn, but it is a mental skill.

You must learn to choose your emotions, when it comes to everyday life. If a loved one dies or something it is understandable that it is too much to handle. But you get over it. And let me touch on that, you allowed yourself to feel emotion upon the death of a loved one, we all have. You will miss is forever, that is a fact. The pain dulls, but the memory is always there.

Same with 9/11 for example. If you watched that on TV and felt really bad about it, you shouldn't. Realize that how you feel has no effect on world events or their outcome, be thankful if you didn't know anyone who died there, but maybe feel it for a short time, a respectable mourning period or whaytever. But then you move on. But you must shut it out. It will cripple you mentally.

As you watch the news, which is mostly bad, you have to learn how not to let it get to you. What I am saying is that you can't ever control an emotion, your only wy to beat it is to learn to detach yourself from it. You can't manage anger. Anger management is a fucking joke.

The real way to beat it is to refuse the emotion. This is possible, I know. And I can prove it as it applies to anger management. I just think that it may apply to depression as well.

One statement I use for people with anger problems, which can be illustrative is "OK, your in a boxing ring, your opponent get in on you, perhaps scores a knockdown, are you angry ? If someone did that to you say out shopping, if you had a gun you would want to kill them. Let's say you're wrestling with kids and they squish your balls really bad in fact that you are injured, even to the point maybe you can't have kids. Are you angry at the kids ? You know they did not mean to do it, so what is the difference ? So do we have more empathy, humanity and ettiquette in a boxing ring or a football field than in our livingroom ?".

I think something similar can apply here. The first step is to identify what depresses you (OP), and go from there. If you are depressed there are thoughts going through your head. What are they ?

I don't think it would be too great a leap to reveal it here, but if you would rather mail I can understand. We are already under some semblance of a cloak of anonymity here, and people are talking about what drugs they are taking etc., I don't see a problem. But I do not have a problem if someone else does.

But I will close with this. This addresses depression and is not very dissimilar to the anger statement. Oh, the content differs, but not the idea :

The first thing to realize is that the human race is on the decline. We have seen people do things that nobody in their right mind would do a long time ago, but then long time ago they did it too, but only what thwey can. Man's inhumanity to man has grown in such proportions that it is getting hard to handle. But suffice it to say that it will be over soon. Not in a human generation or two, but soon enough.

OK, so much for the bleak, you ignore it and realize that you were born into this time and place. Would you rather not have a life at all ? Everybody gets one, and unless you fuck your life up really bad, you have a chance to have a good life. And remember you only get one.

Times can be hard, and I don't even mean financially. You could even have a half decent carreer and make enough to help friends once in a while when need, possibly work some charity in there or something, and that is something you are allowed to feel good about. But you could be all that and still be depressed. I understand that.

I believe that humans have a superconcious, which links us. We know deep down that our entire speciec is on the way down the tubes. Look at the overpopulation and all the other issues, like the environment, which should be the most important, never was. The rich will shit where they eat. [the Romans used to do it, puke too]

People who take always try to take more. That is human nature. They are in effect, killing the goose that lays the golden egg. Even if you do not think about this conciously every minute, it is still in your mind. Like a slow poison.

I read (and have) a very interesting study on over population. I don't care if you live in rural North Dakota, you ARE aware of overpopulation. Even without the theory of a superconcious, you have still seen what you have seen. This has an effect.

So refuse the effect.

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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 1/30/2008 7:57:59 PM   
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I USED to call it...going to the mattress room.
 
Only way I ever kicked anything was cold turkey...
 
Nurishment...hot showers, baths....if your fortunate to have friends you can talk to talk...walks...breath...
 
Pray...
 
It shall pass...
 
Go down deep inside and hang on....
 
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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 1/30/2008 9:51:45 PM   
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Just to make things clear... some prescription meds can kill you if you go off them cold turkey (stroke, heart attack, etc.).  Please consult a qualified professional before undertaking something of that sort.

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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 1/30/2008 10:31:39 PM   
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Are you ditching Zoloft per a doctor's advise, or against it? 

i can understand either way, but some of the antidepressants they make nowadays... jesus, i understand why heroin addicts do the things they do. i live in terror of the day i lose my health insurance and have to go cold-turkey.

Try reminding yourself, when you get upset, that it's the chemicals fucking you up... it's external, it's the pills making you feel the way you do, and it will pass once your system is clean...

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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 2/1/2008 3:50:46 PM   
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How ya doin`...Skatepalace?

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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 2/1/2008 5:46:03 PM   
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Speaking from someone who has been around the block on the anti depressant street....well....either you are not lowering your dose slowly enough or your body got too addicted to it. Even when the doctors claim that a medication is not addictive sometimes our bodies just can't help it if you take a medication for long enough your body gets so used to it that when you don't give it what it is expecting it is bound to protest.

It will pass but I know how hard it must be for you. I went through the same things on other medication withdrawels....many many others...

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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 2/1/2008 8:10:27 PM   
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If it helps any here with mental health issues and the often nasty meds taken, may I recommend this site;

http://www.depressionforums.org/

A very good site where there exists specific forums for specific medications and their problems and for those that feel the need to rant, there is always an ear around.




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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 2/2/2008 1:25:45 PM   
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You're going down too fast. Trying cutting the 25mgs in half and reduce 12.5mg a week. That's how I both went up and down in dosage on it. Doing it that way meant no side effects.

And why isn;t your doctor monitoring your tapering off?

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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 2/3/2008 11:53:14 PM   
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It doesn't matter how fast or slow you go off these SSRIs. it hurts. They're not the wonder drugs claimed, and the side effects are awful.
SSRIs were actually developed as replacements for Valium et al. but marketing tests showed selling them for depression would be more profitable. So they're so so for anxiety and suck for depression and fifty times more miserable to come off of then Valium or Ativan, which are not all that difficult to ditch. (Xanax is so addictive it's illegal everywhere else. The USA is the only market, and nobody comes off Xanax but the rare case.)
These drugs are all over because a marketing machine exists to push them- but nobody gets told about the hell of getting off. Or how lousy they are to take. They will screw up your brain but good.

I'm not only a fellow sufferer, but I work in the field. I'm procrastinating on proofing a 50,k word paper of some sort of obscure psych drug screw up that turns people into vegetables as we speak, it has to do with SSRIs and how to cook a brain with them... Yep, it happens.
I take MAOIs, much safer despite what you've heard. Dangerous to the drug companies bottom line, but great for people!

Incidentally, that word addictive? It applies to psychological needs. The word for becoming used to a substance physically is "tolerant". Yes, there is a difference.
SSRIs do not cause tolerance. Once you taken them for the half life period of the drug and hit target bloodlevel, you'll get sick coming off. That's about 5 days for most. It's lousy drug, not tolerance.

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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 2/4/2008 5:09:16 PM   
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quote:

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How ya doin`...Skatepalace?



Feeling better all around. Still having some really weird things going on, but overall I feel tremendously better.

Physically I am almost back to 100%. And omg, I can sleep! Hoorah! For the last year on this stuff I have had chronic insomnia. I get TIRED now! It's amazing! Seriously, only another insomnia sufferer would understand, but I want to take an ad out in the paper I'm sleeping so well.

Last Friday I went to the local Wal-Mart and bought every single vitamin or mineral thing that said "helps with mood". Lots of different B vitamins, flax oil, primrose oil, everything. It may be a coincidence, but I felt enormously better by the next day. 

I can focus again, and am back to making lists for household chores and ticking off work assignments on time. 

So far, so good. 


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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 2/4/2008 5:15:05 PM   
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summer -

Zoloft is not like Paxil or Prozac. It has an extremely short half life, which means that you have really heavy withdrawal symptoms. A 25mg per week step down is what was recommended.

You are right about the body getting used to it (tolerance, not addiction, but you have the concept right). It alters your brain chemistry. When you stop taking it, you brain has to literally adjust to the absence. It is rough. 


Aneirin - Thanks for the link! It really does help to have other people tell you that they are going through the same thing. Makes the whole experience less frightening.


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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 2/4/2008 5:36:36 PM   
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Des -

My tablets are 100 mg (saved money insurance wise), so it's an interesting enough task to get them into four parts, much less eight. But that is a good tip for those out there that are looking to do the same thing.

Some people just don't have the side effects. From what I've read over half do, so you must be in the luckier half!

I'm being monitored - I just felt like crap, which is within the normal range of expected reactions. Feeling like I have the flu, or being transformed into a pissy teenager that wants to play on her laptop instead of work isn't a medical crisis - it's just obnoxious and annoying.

It's not that I'm depressed and don't want to do anything. I want to do things - like tell my loud coworker to please put his shoes back on during our meetings. His feet are nasty. I want to play Yahoo games and not answer my work email. I want to go to the mall and not do my laundry. The whiny and self indulgent phase has eased up considerably. I think it was mainly because I felt so bad physically, I just needed some TLC.



 

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RE: Zoloft withdrawal SUCKS - 2/4/2008 5:42:21 PM   
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I am very grateful that I was able to take something when I needed it. It was a time of crisis, and instead of moving back home with the parents (at nearly 30), I was able to gather the emotional strength to get my life back together. If I had known how much they sucked to come off of, I might have had second thoughts about which drug in particular I used to help me through that tough time.
 
 
 
There are SO many websites that talk about the nasty side effects of Zoloft withdrawal.
 
http://www.pdrhealth.com/drugs/rx/rx-mono.aspx?contentFileName=Zol1503.html&contentName=Zoloft&contentId=662
 
ยท  Side effects may include:
Abdominal pain, agitation, anxiety, constipation, decreased sex drive, diarrhea or loose stools, difficulty with ejaculation, dizziness, dry mouth, fatigue, gas, headache, decreased appetite, increased sweating, indigestion, insomnia, nausea, nervousness, pain, rash, sleepiness, sore throat, tingling or pins and needles, tremor, vision problems, vomiting

 
 
The ones listed above are simply the side effects of taking the drug. Check these withdrawal side effects out -
 
http://www.primarypsychiatry.com/aspx/articledetail.aspx?articleid=625

Characteristics of Antidepressant Discontinuation Syndromes
 
The antidepressant discontinuation syndrome is manifested by a wide array of symptoms. Onset of symptoms occurs shortly after stopping drug or reducing the dose. Common symptoms include dizziness, anxiety, irritability, panic attacks, mood lability, decreased concentration, and insomnia. Nausea, occasionally associated with vomiting, and other gastrointestinal symptoms are frequent.
 
More recently, concerns have centered on recently reported withdrawal effects of antidepressants with serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SRI) properties. It is now recognized that these new-generation SRIs commonly cause untoward posttreatment effects, necessitating a gradual tapering of dose when stopping or changing drugs.4,5 While discontinuation syndromes have been linked to essentially all classes of antidepressants, SRIs are thought to have a higher incidence of withdrawal effects, especially agents with relatively short elimination half-lives.5,6 Estimates of the incidence of SRI withdrawal phenomena vary widely, but most likely a majority of patients are affected.
 
 

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