Termyn8or
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I'd like to say something to those who suffer from depression, or have. I used to. I came out of it, and have realized a few things.
Not all people suffering from depression are sick. Sp,e are just too aware of the state of the world to handle it. I was.
I don't care how good your home life is, you do have to go out, most have some sort of news source, and when you leaern of man's inhumanity to man, and how our tax dollars work to kill and exploit people all over the world almost, it doesn't feel good.
When you see the abhorrent yet shameless state that people have slipped down to, and see that they all think everything is fine, kids murdering each other for tennis shoes, stuff like that, it affects you.
The cure is to maintain control over how it affects you. The world is still going to end, but I now do not care,,,,, as much. You control where you focus your attention, nobody else, usually at least. You must learn to ignore, yet do it without becoming ignorant.
When I watched the twin towers go down I felt absolutely nothing. Does that mean I don't care ? No. But I got in the car and went to work. Why ? Because I have to concentrate on things I can change.
People died ? People die every day.
But the point is, if left uninsulated from feeling things like this, you will get over it on the surface. But you don't really get over it until you learn how to detach yourself from issues that you can do nothing about.
Some find this difficult, it took me a long time to learn. And I learn fast, very fast. However I did have some advantages. Earlier in life I lost alot of people and I think I can say truthfully that I know more dead people than alive. We're talking in my 20s and 30s. I used to say this shit is not supposed to happen now, it should be happening like twenty or thiry years from now. Some of my best friends. Gone. A couple of guys I used to jam with, who had a really good friend potential. My favorite cousin. It was too much.
But I never reached out for a shrink or a bottle of pills. I did some recreational drugs but it is way down now. I never quit anything but I just don't choose to do it because I do not want it. It is my philosophy, I do not ingest things that are made by a glorified chemical company. About a year ago at a party I was offered coke, turned it down flat. That surprised the shit out of everybody and as they did the coke I sat there and had a smoke and a beer and we had our discussion just as well.
It was almost funny as the sat there and did the shit, they were congradulating me on turning it down. "Dude, you are the Man", "What ?", "Having it right in front of your face for a free turnon and turning it down", "No problem, more for you, I just don't feel like it".
Now, what do you think I feel about everybody there ? At the time I am pretty sure everyone had a job. The one guy was making killer money and decided to turn his friends on. He wanted to party, well we had a nice little party, I just did not partake. I did not have to leave the room so I didn't see it or any bullshit like that. I like beer. I like it alot. The first thing I do after work is have a beer. I do not get drunk, I don't go off, I don't cause problems.
Why ? I have really acquired a taste for it, and I drink the low power stuff specifically so I don't get out of it. Reality is too fascinating for that. So that indicates to me (I did not say prove) that these anti-depressant drugs are actually taking you out of it. The reason it indicates that requires no cites or quotes. One statement of logic provides enough evidence for a reasonable assumption.
The thing is the fact that you are now taking the red pill or the blue pill does not change anything about the world around you. You are shaped by the world around you.
My Mother knew I got high and drank quite early, but she is not dumb, she knew by then that I was totally uncontrollable. And back then I did get out of it, high, drunk and who knows sometimes. Caused trouble. She had to throw me out.
This is something you learn over the years and to the OP, I say this is the best path. My Mother used to say to me that no matter how high or drunk I get, the same problems will be staring me in the face in the morning (as it turns out many of them were spotted in the mirror in the bathroom) It took time.
Tell you one thing that irks me, not that I have any anger about it, but I consider it slightly above an annoyance. Since I realized that it is I myself who converts annoyances and frustration into anger, I learned that I no longer have to control my anger. I simply do not have it. That was hard to learn, but it is a mental skill.
You must learn to choose your emotions, when it comes to everyday life. If a loved one dies or something it is understandable that it is too much to handle. But you get over it. And let me touch on that, you allowed yourself to feel emotion upon the death of a loved one, we all have. You will miss is forever, that is a fact. The pain dulls, but the memory is always there.
Same with 9/11 for example. If you watched that on TV and felt really bad about it, you shouldn't. Realize that how you feel has no effect on world events or their outcome, be thankful if you didn't know anyone who died there, but maybe feel it for a short time, a respectable mourning period or whaytever. But then you move on. But you must shut it out. It will cripple you mentally.
As you watch the news, which is mostly bad, you have to learn how not to let it get to you. What I am saying is that you can't ever control an emotion, your only wy to beat it is to learn to detach yourself from it. You can't manage anger. Anger management is a fucking joke.
The real way to beat it is to refuse the emotion. This is possible, I know. And I can prove it as it applies to anger management. I just think that it may apply to depression as well.
One statement I use for people with anger problems, which can be illustrative is "OK, your in a boxing ring, your opponent get in on you, perhaps scores a knockdown, are you angry ? If someone did that to you say out shopping, if you had a gun you would want to kill them. Let's say you're wrestling with kids and they squish your balls really bad in fact that you are injured, even to the point maybe you can't have kids. Are you angry at the kids ? You know they did not mean to do it, so what is the difference ? So do we have more empathy, humanity and ettiquette in a boxing ring or a football field than in our livingroom ?".
I think something similar can apply here. The first step is to identify what depresses you (OP), and go from there. If you are depressed there are thoughts going through your head. What are they ?
I don't think it would be too great a leap to reveal it here, but if you would rather mail I can understand. We are already under some semblance of a cloak of anonymity here, and people are talking about what drugs they are taking etc., I don't see a problem. But I do not have a problem if someone else does.
But I will close with this. This addresses depression and is not very dissimilar to the anger statement. Oh, the content differs, but not the idea :
The first thing to realize is that the human race is on the decline. We have seen people do things that nobody in their right mind would do a long time ago, but then long time ago they did it too, but only what thwey can. Man's inhumanity to man has grown in such proportions that it is getting hard to handle. But suffice it to say that it will be over soon. Not in a human generation or two, but soon enough.
OK, so much for the bleak, you ignore it and realize that you were born into this time and place. Would you rather not have a life at all ? Everybody gets one, and unless you fuck your life up really bad, you have a chance to have a good life. And remember you only get one.
Times can be hard, and I don't even mean financially. You could even have a half decent carreer and make enough to help friends once in a while when need, possibly work some charity in there or something, and that is something you are allowed to feel good about. But you could be all that and still be depressed. I understand that.
I believe that humans have a superconcious, which links us. We know deep down that our entire speciec is on the way down the tubes. Look at the overpopulation and all the other issues, like the environment, which should be the most important, never was. The rich will shit where they eat. [the Romans used to do it, puke too]
People who take always try to take more. That is human nature. They are in effect, killing the goose that lays the golden egg. Even if you do not think about this conciously every minute, it is still in your mind. Like a slow poison.
I read (and have) a very interesting study on over population. I don't care if you live in rural North Dakota, you ARE aware of overpopulation. Even without the theory of a superconcious, you have still seen what you have seen. This has an effect.
So refuse the effect.
T
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