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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/13/2005 7:11:14 PM   
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It may be consensual, but not safe or sane.

There are safe measures in artery play but you best be ready for the worst and have 911 near by. In this type of play, I'm more concerned with infection and nerve damage rather than bleeding to death. After all, if the artery is cut wrong, you can still stop the bleeding by cutting off the blood flow of the site and make it to the hospital.
Whoever wants to be involved with this individual better start asking questions and be ready for first aide treatment.


back on the box...some arteries once cut you've an extremely limited time frame to get to a fully staffed ER. first aide and tourniquets only do so much. infection and nerve damage are concerns (see the above about nerves and arteries keeping company), but the most emergent thing is still bleeding uncontrollably and losing too much blood. i once had a friend land on a drinking glass wrong (fell off a chair...long story), and he almost bled to death with us only three blocks from the ER. you just can't tell when you'll find anatomy that's not what is presented in grant's or gray's atlas. abnormal anatomy is more the rule than the exception.
given all of the risks, it's still up to the person involved if they wish to play this type of roulette, i suppose.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/13/2005 7:45:05 PM   
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. you just can't tell when you'll find anatomy that's not what is presented in grant's or gray's atlas. abnormal anatomy is more the rule than the exception.




One of the greatest shocks to gross anatomy students is "but this isn't how it is in the book."

[professorly laugh]



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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/13/2005 8:44:39 PM   
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. you just can't tell when you'll find anatomy that's not what is presented in grant's or gray's atlas. abnormal anatomy is more the rule than the exception.




One of the greatest shocks to gross anatomy students is "but this isn't how it is in the book."

[professorly laugh]




gosh, the nerves aren't yellow, they are stuck to these other grey things and there isn't any red or blue....which ones are the arteries? it's interesting in surgery, too, where one finds things that might not have been expected. one should be prepared to find the unexpected, since more often than not that's what is there. at least in surgery, the smell is better than gross anatomy lab.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/14/2005 4:00:16 AM   
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it's interesting in surgery, too, where one finds things that might not have been expected. one should be prepared to find the unexpected, since more often than not that's what is there. at least in surgery, the smell is better than gross anatomy lab.


It helps that all the people in the room, including the horizontal one, is still breathing.


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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/14/2005 10:58:04 AM   
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This type of play may be crazy or perhaps very thrill seeking but I'm not going to judge if this person should be allowed to be on collarme. Whoever wants to be involved with this individual better start asking questions and be ready for first aide treatment.


Fangs,

I am certainly not implying that this guy should not be allowed to have a profile on this site. Rather, I am saying that that particular paragraph in his profile should not be permitted.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/14/2005 12:40:39 PM   
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I'm not saying he shouldn't be here, just that that paragragh not be allowed, or rewritten..or something.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/14/2005 1:08:13 PM   
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They seem to say that arteries are throughout the whole body, in the hands and feet and legs and arms and head and chest and trunk and everywhere... and that arteries are merely any blood vessel that carries blood away from the heart... while "veins" are any blood vessel that carries blood back to the heart...
Ragdoll, take it from the man with the experience above instead of the website, because I know with absolute certainty he is right when he says
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Arteries are the primary routes from the heart. This means they move a LOT of blood and they do it under significant pressure. Cutting an artery is a good way to die quickly. Useful consciousness is measured in seconds (particularly the femoral artery) or, at best, a few minutes. Blood does not flow; it spurts like a damned fountain, and getting it under control is difficult. Repairing the damage is work for a surgeon.

Now, far be it for me to tell full grown adults how they should live or die, but as a play idea, it's terrible, and the person with it on profile either hasn't a clue or his profile needs to say "playing with me will probably lead to your demise within a fairly short period of time" (sort of a caveat emptor). M

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/14/2005 8:45:33 PM   
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Fangs,

I am certainly not implying that this guy should not be allowed to have a profile on this site. Rather, I am saying that that particular paragraph in his profile should not be permitted.



That dosen't make sense to me. If you can't be yourself on a profile and fully admit what your intentions are, then why be allowed to post at all? If one wishes to warn or tell everyone what there intentions are instead of some bla bla bla stuff and then introduce something to them after they start seeing each other then so be it. In most cases it really is best to have everything out in the open before you even message or chat with an individual. This way, no one gets there hopes up just to be let down by the "I'm not into that" commit.

I had a friend who enlisted in the Marines. When asked why he wanted to join he stated "I just want to kill people." The recruiter told him to come back with a different answer.

Any how, our profiles are here to tell people who we are, what we want, and why we want it. They are not here to be in ones favor. If we have to limit what all our likes are, we end up not telling the full story which may cause more harm than good to an unsupected person who didn't think of asking because it wasn't in the other persons profile. I understand that there are legalities that our wonderful mods are responsible for which prevent the real sickos from posting there porn and illegal fantasies. However, the more that can be implied in ones profile, allows people to be more or less weary of those they come accross the net.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/14/2005 9:42:32 PM   
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It may be consensual, but not safe or sane.


Each has there own. There are safe measures in artery play but you best be ready for the worst and have 911 near by.


Wow! I deal with "cutters", kids who cut themselves intentionally for attention or to remind themselves that they are alive and can still feel pain. They usually only cut capilaries. But every once in a while, someone convinces one of them to cut an artery, telling them it is no more dangerous than drawing blood. They DIE. There is a tremendous amount of ignorance about the way our bodies work as evidenced by the innocent post by "ragdoll", who thought this could be safe as well.

Artery play is NEVER safe....even when you are playing with a physician who has a sterilization and suture kit readily available. Arteries, because of the pressure in them, connected directly to the heart "pump", cannot be closed without sutures or a tournequet (which then can cause the loss of the limb).

To be safe, sane and consensual, the submissive persuaded into this kind of play needs to have all this information, as well as the statistics of those that don't make it, even with a physician in attendance. Is it possible to give one's consent to something so dangerous that the stats show more people with arterial injuries don't make it than do???

If I were the friend of a submissive considering something like this, I'd try to get her/him a psych eval for major depression. This is a death wish.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/14/2005 10:58:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fangs,

If you had read my earlier post on this thread, you might have a better perspective on things. Earilier this week, my profile (which has been unchanged since like February of this year) was edited BY COLLARME.COM for a statement I made about men who have issues with a "little shit on their dicks". Obviously, from my name, that particular statement in my profile is indicative of what I am looking for just as much as this guy's profile where he is stating he wants to cut someone's artery.

Given the above, why don't YOU explain why one phrase is appropriate and acceptable in a profile and the other is not?

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/15/2005 7:25:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ya know...Collar Me never even replied to my request for them to review that profile.

Why bother, if they can't even reply and allow you to state your problem with the profile and why?

It feels no one here "cares" about the Collar Me participants, except other participants.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/15/2005 8:30:53 AM   
stef


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Status: offline 		Pity that being 'older' didn't teach you any patience. It's been two whole days since you complained to support about the content in that profile, which might not even violate the TOS here. Based on that and your extensive seven day stay here so far, do you really think you're in any position to make such sweeping statements about the people who keep this FREE site up and running for you.

There isn't anyone sitting in a cubicle waiting to field incoming support emails. All of the 'staff' here are volunteers that have jobs and lives. When they have the time to devote to the site, they might be more prone to handle serious issues rather than complaints about profiles. Or, they might not have gotten to your email yet. Either way, your comments are unwarranted.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/15/2005 9:01:38 AM   
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If you had read my earlier post on this thread, you might have a better perspective on things.


I've read every post on this thread before making any post at all. I've read every post made under my post before making another post. I've been reading your whiney complaint all week now. If you don't like the guys profile, then stop reading it and make the choice to block the SOB.

As for your profile being edited, who knows why. But your commit really isn't needed if you say you want someone who likes fucking you up the wazoo. You end up just repeating yourself. Whoever this mysterious artery cutter is, he's only saying what his intentions are or just making himself look tougher and dangerous like to see who has the courage to call him. Either way, everyone is warned of the situation.

Either way, the mods own this site and that is that. So deal with it and focus more on the positive profiles that suit you. You filed your complaint, you said your peace, now move on. If you don't get the reponse you want nor the a response at all, well that's apart of life.







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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/15/2005 9:07:48 AM   
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Ya know...Collar Me never even replied to my request for them to review that profile.

Why bother, if they can't even reply and allow you to state your problem with the profile and why?

It feels no one here "cares" about the Collar Me participants, except other participants.



They cared enough to approve him and that's all that matters. It's not there obligation or responsibility to reply to your complaint. You sent your message, you posted on forums for some strange reason as if we could do anything about it, and made your oppinion. Now move along. There are better and more important things to talk about.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/15/2005 11:53:26 AM   
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I have not bothered them or rewrote about the topic.

I have not been a member of this site long, but many r/t groups, and online groups and sites like this for years. I have seen the harm that can be done to those new to the lifestyle, by predators, wannabe's and abusers. Being new it wasn't easy to bring this up, but I really wanted opinions on if this profile was as potentially harmful as I thought.
Some said yes, some no.

And I'm sorry, but I have as much right to voice my opinion about the site as you did yours about me.
To me, risking someones life by leaving that profile there for 48 more hours is too much time. And thats my opinion only. I didn't ask anyone to agree or disagree, just to share their thoughts on it.

Yes they approved that profile. While I don't agree, I will drop it.





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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/17/2005 9:59:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Having a background in emergency response, anybody that had 'artery cutting' as an interest on their profile would never meet me. While there is that old gem of 'your is not my kink but your kink is ok' (a longer version of live and let live) that is just asking for trouble. Generally I'm reasonably open minded but that wouldn't go on my hard limit list, it would be on my 'set in concrete never to see the light of day' list.

Just my 0.02c.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/18/2005 9:10:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just to put in my last 2 cents on artery play

1. I would never participate in artery cutting as a reciver or a giver in a scene. A tourtoure technique on a terrorist, rapist, or child molester yes but not to a participant in BDSM.

2. As a DM at an event, I would never allow artery play at a public scene. It's to risky and dangerous for one and I wouldn't want to take the responsibility of fixing such a stupid persons problem.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/18/2005 10:03:14 PM   
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2. As a DM at an event, I would never allow artery play at a public scene. It's to risky and dangerous for one and I wouldn't want to take the responsibility of fixing such a stupid persons problem.
I would be interested to know if indeed there are people who actually cut arteries for fun. Again, not judging anyone's kink, and realizing I am a total amateur, I honestly want to know if people do this beyond fantasy/mindfuck.
How could you fix this problem in a play space that isn't a hospital? M

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/19/2005 8:51:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well if I had my way in the world with Rapist, child molestors, and exicuting death row inmates to cut the outragious cost it takes to humanely lay them to rest, artery cutting would be very fun for me. But to many simpathizers out vote me and my beliefs in justice.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/20/2005 12:10:21 AM   
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I would be interested to know if indeed there are people who actually cut arteries for fun. Again, not judging anyone's kink, and realizing I am a total amateur, I honestly want to know if people do this beyond fantasy/mindfuck.
How could you fix this problem in a play space that isn't a hospital? M


plain and simple: artery cutting is a one way ticket to the morgue. i don't care if you do it right in the ER, you've got a very high chance of not even making it to an OR depending upon which artery you cut. this is very serious and not play of any kind other than roulette death play.

Bob is an EMT and i graduated from medical school and we know of what we speak. this is the kind of "play" used by serial killers. it's not for anyone, new or otherwise, unless you've an intense death wish and have all of your affairs in order.

i't's not mindfuck and it's not fantasy; it's death.

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