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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/20/2005 12:15:35 AM   
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I have seen the harm that can be done to those new to the lifestyle, by predators, wannabe's and abusers. Being new it wasn't easy to bring this up, but I really wanted opinions on if this profile was as potentially harmful as I thought.
Some said yes, some no.

To me, risking someones life by leaving that profile there for 48 more hours is too much time. And thats my opinion only. I didn't ask anyone to agree or disagree, just to share their thoughts on it.


bravo for you having the courage to bring this up. it's not only "potentially harmful" but is very likely fatal.

you recognized it as risking someone's life, and you called it correctly.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/20/2005 12:36:05 AM   
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Interesting topic to wade into for my first post.

While I fully agree with the philosophies expressed by most here regarding safety, I have to take issue with some of the medical explanations about what's being involved here. Some may call it nitpicking, others will see that it does actually change the meaning of the discussion when you correctly understand the anatomy being discussed, so, here goes.

As has been said before, capillaries are the tiny, microscopically small blood vessels which allow for the oxygen carried in the bloodstream to pass over to the cells, and the waste products to pass back. By definition, capillaries are, for all intents and purposes, thick enough for only a single red blood cell to pass through. The word microscopic is accurate. Here comes the important distinction: *Anything* else that carries blood through the body, that is larger than a cell or two in diameter, is technically a vein or an artery. (in medicine, they are sub-categories called Arterioles "little arteries" or Venules "little veins" however they *are* arteries and veins).

So... whenever you make a visible cut in tissue (ie skin) which bleeds, it's almost certain that you've cut arteries. It's pretty much physically impossible to have a visible wound which cuts capillaries and nothing else. Therefore, "artery play" could be technically and accurately defined as any form of cutting which draws blood.

(For that matter, when you sustain blunt impact causing a bruise (flogging anyone?) then you have caused the internal rupture of blood vessels causing blood to pool in the tissues [and break down from there causing all the pretty colours.] This, also, is a form of artery [and vein and capillary] damage.)

Yes, I know, when most people, especially non-medical people think of "arteries" the first thing that comes to mind is the big pipes which lie deep in the tissues, which you can often feel, which (when cut) will spurt out blood at an alarming rate and pose a serious and immediate health risk.

However, that's a stereotypical and extremely simplistic view, and it's only reflective of a few of the major arteries of the body, not the thousands of other arteries which make up the vast majority of the circulatory system. It is, therefore, quite possible and reasonable that someone can claim to enjoy "cutting deep and going for arteries" without intentionally or in practice engaging in significantly life-threatening behaviour (as comes to mind when we all think of hacking through the radial artery, etc)

All that being said... know what you're playing with before you play. Hemorrhage, infection, nerve damage, permanent scarring, circulatory impairment, and psychological and social repercussions....

Play safe.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/20/2005 1:53:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Researcher

Interesting topic to wade into for my first post.

As has been said before, capillaries are the tiny, microscopically small blood vessels which allow for the oxygen carried in the bloodstream to pass over to the cells, and the waste products to pass back. By definition, capillaries are, for all intents and purposes, thick enough for only a single red blood cell to pass through. The word microscopic is accurate. Here comes the important distinction: *Anything* else that carries blood through the body, that is larger than a cell or two in diameter, is technically a vein or an artery. (in medicine, they are sub-categories called Arterioles "little arteries" or Venules "little veins" however they *are* arteries and veins).

So... whenever you make a visible cut in tissue (ie skin) which bleeds, it's almost certain that you've cut arteries. It's pretty much physically impossible to have a visible wound which cuts capillaries and nothing else. Therefore, "artery play" could be technically and accurately defined as any form of cutting which draws blood.

(For that matter, when you sustain blunt impact causing a bruise (flogging anyone?) then you have caused the internal rupture of blood vessels causing blood to pool in the tissues [and break down from there causing all the pretty colours.] This, also, is a form of artery [and vein and capillary] damage.)

Yes, I know, when most people, especially non-medical people think of "arteries" the first thing that comes to mind is the big pipes which lie deep in the tissues, which you can often feel, which (when cut) will spurt out blood at an alarming rate and pose a serious and immediate health risk.

However, that's a stereotypical and extremely simplistic view, and it's only reflective of a few of the major arteries of the body, not the thousands of other arteries which make up the vast majority of the circulatory system. It is, therefore, quite possible and reasonable that someone can claim to enjoy "cutting deep and going for arteries" without intentionally or in practice engaging in significantly life-threatening behaviour (as comes to mind when we all think of hacking through the radial artery, etc)

All that being said... know what you're playing with before you play. Hemorrhage, infection, nerve damage, permanent scarring, circulatory impairment, and psychological and social repercussions....

Play safe.


welcome to the boards. and yes, an interesting topic to start from.

to further clarify this a bit more in medical terms, an arteriole is a blood vessel that extends and branches out from an artery and leads to capillaries. the arterioles, the smallest end arteries, typically consist of about 20,000 of them in a 150 lb individual. it is the arterioles and venules which most frequently are injured (and therefore result in bruising) from "minor" trauma (i.e. flogging and walking into the coffee table at night).

arteries are muscular tubes that carry blood flow away from the heart to the tissues and organs of the body ( by contrast, veins are the return path tubes).

the arterial system is the higher-pressure portion of the blood system. since the heart output is pulsatile, arterial pressure varies between systolic, the peak pressure during heart contraction, and diastolic, the minimum pressure between heart contractions, values with each heart cycle. this pressure and blood volume variation within the artery produces the pulse which is palpable in any artery, reflecting the heart action.

the aorta is the main systemic artery. it receives blood directly from the left ventricle of the heart. as the aorta branches and these arteries branch in turn, they become successively smaller in diameter, successively down to the arteriole. the arterioles supply capillaries which in turn empty into venules.

the arterial system is extremely important in sustaining life. with deep cutting, the chances of hitting an arteriole are heavily outweighted by the possibility of hitting the larger arteries. unless one is very well informed about and skilled with dealing with variances in human vascular anatomy including the placement of the larger arteries versus the smaller arterioles, cutting deep is much more likely to result in damage to those deeper larger vessels than the smaller ones.

trauma (this is where cutting begins) or infection (which has a high chance of setting in if you've somehow managed to survive the initial arterial cutting) are the main determinations which compromise the vascular system, which determines whether we continue to live or die.




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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/22/2005 1:36:48 PM   
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i was a paramedic for 4yrs now im a cardio vascular tech and do heart caths--you are out of your mind to do ANYTHING with an artery, death, infection, cutting a nerve or hitting both an artery and vein is possible--DONT DO THAT--EVER

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/22/2005 5:27:25 PM   
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Ummmmm....think what happens if you cut someones neck i.e. carotid artery (or jugular vein)! Sure, there are smaller arteries but it still is not safe....not safe AT ALL!!!!!

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/22/2005 6:10:43 PM   
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Well, a friend of mine, (who wishes to remain anonymous) says that perhaps one out of 50 will survive an artery cutting makes it worthwhile, cause you just can't get those kinda odds in the lottery......

I think the numbers are smaller for the survival rate, but he had this big knife.....

Think about it you got time. You go eat shit.......that's way safer, then when you get a little resistance built up, try cutting a finger off.......

I guess what I am trying to say is, perhaps you should work your way up to this......

Ron

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/22/2005 7:57:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well, a friend of mine, (who wishes to remain anonymous) says that perhaps one out of 50 will survive an artery cutting makes it worthwhile, cause you just can't get those kinda odds in the lottery......

I think the numbers are smaller for the survival rate, but he had this big knife.....

Think about it you got time. You go eat shit.......that's way safer, then when you get a little resistance built up, try cutting a finger off.......

I guess what I am trying to say is, perhaps you should work your way up to this......

Ron

maybe the dominants would choose to start with the arteries shown here:

http://www.bartleby.com/107/illus1158.html

now be sure and let us all know how it goes.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/22/2005 11:24:58 PM   
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*grinning at the diagram*

Thing is, it was a dominant proposing to be the cutter, not be the cuttee on the profile that brought about this post.

Betting most pass...

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/23/2005 2:52:47 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: olderbbwsub

*grinning at the diagram*

Thing is, it was a dominant proposing to be the cutter, not be the cuttee on the profile that brought about this post.

Betting most pass...


but the whole flavors of the posts were pointing out the deadly absurdity of doing such cutting. i just thought if a dominant feels this is so safe, he'd have no problem trying it out where that link leads. yes, i hope most do pass on the idea all together.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/23/2005 9:04:25 AM   
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Well, I have tried nipple clips, crops, and other things on myself so I would know how they feel when administered to a submissive. I think I will pass on any form of artery cutting, though.

Bob

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/23/2005 9:52:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesertRat

Well, I have tried nipple clips, crops, and other things on myself so I would know how they feel when administered to a submissive. I think I will pass on any form of artery cutting, though.

Bob


well, there ya go. it sounds like their is a consensus that cutting of arteries in any place isn't a terrifically welcomed idea, is dangerous to the point of death, and it's best left for horror movies and accidental trauma.

the wise will know when it's just not wise to play russian roulette with fate. i.e. don't play with arteries, period. we're still not sure on that exothermic thing regarding the afterlife.

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