meatcleaver
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And all of this rhetoric and playing keyboard commando games is smoke and mirrors to ignore the obvious facts.
There was no nation of Israel in the late 1800s - early 1900s, when the 'Palestinian' and other leaders launched their 'Death to the Jews' campaign. Even Tel Aviv wasn't settled until after the waves of anti-semitism swept the continent and the Middle East.
It is beyond disingenuous to 'forget' that the modern Zionist movement and the aliyahs came after the pogroms, after the Dreyfus affair, and so forth.
And the push to develop the full state of Israel gained primacy over other more moderate factions due in no small part to the Holocaust, and the WWII machinations on the part of Iranian and other Middle Eastern would be genocidists.
The same ones who are still swearing 'Death to all Jews' at every opportunity.
Not 'We want our land back'...but death to every Jew on the planet...Israeli Jews, American Jews, African Jews... And their definition of Jews is 'liberal' enough to include me and mine, so anyone who wants to keep on smirking from behind the safety of their keyboard everytime I bring up this inconvenient slice of reality can keep on doing so.
They day I give up facing facts and pretend that these 'It's not anti-semitism' hoaxes are true is never going to come.
Your post is hysterical and a complete travesty of the facts.
I pointed out the facts of the history of this conflict to you earlier but you ignored my post because it is inconvenient to your views.
Alumbrado, I suggest you read the history of the conflict and you will themn see you talk nonsense.
Before Balfour, Arabs and Jews got on very well together in Trans-Jordania, the majority of each group not only speaking each others language but were neighbours with each other and had very much a shared experience. It was through Balfour that the British created the conflict by backing the zionists and agreeing to Jewish immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe and Russia. This influx of aliens (Jewish people from outside the region) brought into the area foreign customs and a disregard for local customs, this was accompanied by foreign Jews buying up land. Balfour in the 1920s made a tour of the area like a latter day messiah and was greeted by the immigrant Jews as such while his tour increased the fear of the indigenous Arabs that their land would be stolen. Later British governments, particualrly the war government realized what Balfour had done and tried to reverse the policy by stopping Jewish immogration into Trans-Jordania. By that time it was too late, neither side trusted the British and like all governments that make pacts with extremist and terrorist organisations, ended up in conflict with zionist terrorist groups. The western world (led by America) pressurised Britain into allowing immigration from post WWII Europe and at the end of its mandate Britain basically cut and run, while the newly formed UN agreed to the partition of Trans-Jordania but ignored the consequences. The consequences being, etnic cleansing by the zionists from large areas of the west bank. It is largely said that surrounding Arab states told the Arabs of the west bank to leave their homes while they annihilated the new Israel. However, the majority of the resident Arabs were warned by Britain to leave because they should expect trouble from the zionists. It is estimated that 750,000 Arabs were ethnically cleansed by the zionists, thousands left because they were warned by Britain to get out and thousands by the Arabs. Since Britain had control over the media, one can assume the a fair amount of the Arabs fled because of Britain's warnings. The British foreign minister at the time said that the Arabs of the region have suffered a great injustice so it was widely recgnized at the time that the Arabs were victims of both the zionists and western policies in the region, no doubt much of western policy being based on the feeling of collective guilt of the genocide of Jews in Europe. However, the Arab victims were not guilty of the genocide, it was Europeans. The Arabs of the region have only been trying to get justice ever since and the conflict has carried on because the west has continued to rub Arab faces in the dirt by blaming the Arabs for the conflict while arming the zionist state that stole their land. It was the Israelis along with the British and French that invaded Egypt in 1956. It was the Israelis with a nod and a wink from the US that started the 1967 war when most of the lands now in dispute where occupied.
However, carry on with your prejudiced view, you obviously know very little about the history of the conflict.
By the way, anti-semitism is very much a western Christian phenomenon not an Arab or muslim one. There was no conflict or animosoty between the Arabs(or any muslims) and Jews before the Balfour declaration and Balfour's pro-zionist policies. Anti-Jewish sentiment would probably soon disappear from the Arab world should a just settlement take place. Most of the anti-Jewish activity by Arabs in Europe is recognized as being directly the result of the middle east conflict and not related to any historical anti-semitism in Europe, which is Christian based.
< Message edited by meatcleaver -- 2/22/2008 1:11:51 AM >
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